Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

ShineTheLight said:

It IS possible. Samson in the book of Judges and King Solomon of the Book of kings, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes. Those are two examples of people of God that had the spirit of God leaving their spirit.

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I’m talking about the Born Again of today..without God’s Living Witness, testifying that one’s spirit is Born Again.

How else can you know God or Jesus without His Living witness, birthing one’s spirit and bringing one to that “ heart” knowledge?

How can you believe in the Living God....without His Living Witness?

Our heart believes, when it’s been birthed, and it will keep on believing, because our heart/ spirit was birthed by the Living Witness Of God.

Faith just keeps on growing..once Born Again one will never ever be able to lose their salvation.

I became Born Again having NEVER read a Bible, apart from at school......so everyone’s testimony is different....I will NEVER deny my testimony...the Spirit testified to my spirit who I am in Christ...not man or woman...

Plus, I’ve asked this question many times...what are you saved from?...no one has given me an answer yet.

ShineTheLight said:

Because of things they did to be separated from God.



Likewise, there are people who are spiritual, but aren't scriptural or follow the teachings of the bible.

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How can you be Born Again and not be led through the inspired word by the Living Spirit who indwells our spirit permanently?

The Bible is the inspired word of God, it’s not God, so, how does God speak to his children, if not through their heart, once it becomes Born Again?

How can we communicate with God if not through our spirit?

What do you think is reconciled back to God in us?...when we become Born Again?

If the Spirit gives birth to spirit, it can’t be un- birthed, ..maybe you can give your own account of your “ live” spirit birth?

A Born Again have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

When I was birthed by the Gods Living witness, the Spirit testified with my spirit that I am Gods child..only Gods Spirit can testify Gods truth to our heart/ spirit..no Bible can testify to your heart ,that your spirit is Born Again.

Jesus explains to Nicodemus how our spirit becomes Born Of The Spirit..if one is still in the natural, they could never understand what this means as the word of God is “ spiritually discerned”.

I understand “ Born Of The Spirit “ the way the Spirit brought my spirit to understand what it means.

Not by Mans/ woman’s opinions of scripture....scripture can be twisted by some, to say what they want it to say....I believe the enemy has confused many people on what it means to be Born Of The Spirit.

Jesus explains it well to Nicodemus...


Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. So don't be surprised when I say, 'You must be born again.

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That's for sure.

I would not be surprised if its the majority.

Many haven't experienced the Spirit, they haven't heard from Him or talk with Him. They are more ok to keep God the Father at a distance, in heaven. They are content to talk to God the Father at Jesus's left but not Jesus Whose right there. And even less will interact with the Spirit Himself Who is around them, maybe even in them.

Now that's sad.

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I can only go by Gods Living Witness/ testimony, who indwells my heart/ spirit.


We are taught to communicate with God via his Spirit....to be honest i was Born Again over 33 years ago.

I am only just coming to understand what fully submitting my will to him means, how to put him first in every situation, relying on him 100% which I’ve only just started to do.

A Living relationship with God, like any relationship takes time to build...it’s not an instant fix imo.

I was taken out of this world one evening, when my spirit became Born Again and placed into God’s Spiritual realm on earth....it was a wonderful heart and divine revelation and experience, none the less it was a heck of a shock, to be in the world one minute and not knowing God in Spirit...to be Born Of The Spirit in an instant, then knowing God in my heart/ spirit......I was on a high for months and months,if not years....

If we don’t know God in our heart/ spirit then how can we have a relationship with him, where we are Spirit led...

I know God in my heart, he brought my heart to believe in his Son, when he birthed it in the Spirit.....I can’t believe in God from my own belief, ....I needed divine intervention to believe in God, which he granted me by his mercy and grace when...” Spirit gives birth to spirit “.....Praise God, for his mighty Living witness....

This is my own testimony and belief....I don’t speak for any other and sure as Henry...I will never deny Gods Living testimony and how he birthed my spirit...I would sooner die than do that.

I’m here to Glorify God and his Living testimony....I’m not here to glorify his inspired word, I haven’t been called to do that....

St. SteVen said:

I think the Bible is a product of human effort. A collection of inspired, or inspiring, works.

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Really....well, let’s face it human beings are fallible......

Do you think that some of what was written, wasn’t under the influence of the Spirit?

The good thing is though..,it’s not the Bible that births our spirit, it’s the Living seed of God that does that..

ShineTheLight said:

Likewise, there are people who are spiritual, but aren't scriptural

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Scripture doesn’t come into the rebirth...it confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit?

When I first became Born Again, I too wasn’t scriptural, all I knew in my heart/ spirit, that it was Born Of The Spirit...once that happened.

Then the “ Spirit “ started to bring my spirit to understand the inspired word of God...that all has taken 33 years so far and still I have much to learn of spiritual matters.....

We are to seek the Lord God out with all of our heart....how can we do that?

Ritajanice said:

When I first became Born Again, I too wasn’t scriptural, all I knew in my heart/ spirit, that it was Born Of The Spirit.

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These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Ritajanice said:

I can only go by Gods Living Witness/ testimony, who indwells my heart/ spirit.

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God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ

One 2 question said:

These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

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I agree...Amen!

One 2 question said:

God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ

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Amen!....Brother...

Ritajanice said:

The good thing is though..,it’s not the Bible that births our spirit, it’s the Living seed of God that does that.

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And it's the same Spirit of God Who grows us and brings us to maturity in this life then glorifies us into the next one.

Why some think we start with the Spirit then move onto the bible to teach, guide, grow us and glorify us puzzles me.

The bible can be a helpful tool when one is young in Christ but the mature doesn't need it as we have the Spirit of Truth Himself to teach us, Who develops the mind of Christ in us. As long as we are in the possession of the Spirit, we possess the mind Jesus.

St. SteVen said:

We are not saved by the Bible. God doesn't need a Bible to save us.

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Nor mature and glorify us. That's the role of His Spirit. What a relief.

St. SteVen said:

We no longer have the original autographs. (manuscripts) Only copies, of copies, of copies...
Where there was inspiration, that's where it would be found. (did the translations retain it?)
What we have in the Bible is our best guess as to what those original manuscripts said. (sort of)

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And people want to argue over a specific word in a certain translation! We know of Chinese whispers. The bibles that we have today could be way out and not completely accurate.

But what the Spirit says directly to us is as they say, straight from the horses mouth. No second hand, third or sixtieth hand. If the Spirit chooses to use words from any of the biblical canons then that's entirely up to Him.

I certainly don't assume He is going to use any of them to communicate with me. That assumption was dispelled a long time ago.

St. SteVen said:

We no longer have the original autographs. (manuscripts) Only copies, of copies, of copies...
Where there was inspiration, that's where it would be found. (did the translations retain it?)
What we have in the Bible is our best guess as to what those original manuscripts said. (sort of)

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“Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.” (Jeremiah 36:28, KJV)

“Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.” (Jeremiah 36:32, KJV)

VARIATIONS IN SCRIPTURE MEAN NOTHING.

AND I PERCEIVE GOD ALLOWS VARIATIONS IN THE HOLY WRITINGS SO THAT DOUBTING & UNFAITHFUL MEN FALL INTO THEIR OWN TRAPS.

“He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.” (Job 5:13, KJV)

One 2 question said:

Jack, which bible is, in your opinion, the Christian biblical canon? You have refered to the Christian Bible. Which one is it?

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You forsook all of them. You said: "Life with God outside the bible is great!"

St. SteVen said:

Amazing.
You have asked him a half dozen times. Yet he has failed to answer. How come? (I wonder)

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Already answered!

St. SteVen said:

Interesting that the Bible is "the Word of God", unless someone quotes a translation you disagree with.

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Interesting that the Bible is "the Word of God", unless someone quotes a translation you disagree with.

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Is any Translation "the Word of God" to you? I doubt it.

St. SteVen said:

@One 2 question is asking Jack which translation of the Bible is the "Christian" Bible.
It's a good question, which Jack refuses to answer.

If Jack does answer, his false claims against One 2 question will fall apart.

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Again, already answered!

One 2 question said:

My question to Jack is which one was he refering to when he used the term, Christian bible.

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Your comment: "Personally I have left Hawaii (bible) and have gone further afield."

Isn't it WONDERFUL to see God's Word the Bible coming to pass right under the noses of all the Bible attackers! Satan is SWEET TALKING the Bible attackers to Hell fire!

St. SteVen said:

I find it fascinating how every believer is gifted in different ways.
We are supposed to work together as body parts of the same person. (Christ)

Most of what I hear from God is scriptural response to whatever situation I am in.
In rare circumstances I hear prophetic and revelatory messages.
Usually, "Go talk to that person." in reference to a stranger before me.

When I obey, the reason becomes obvious. (divine appointment)

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Sure. The situation for me was that the Spirit of Christ opened my eyes to see that He was not my first go to in my life. It was the bible. I would not read any other material nor consult any person, not even God, just the bible.

The Spirit convicted me of this unhealthy sinful action of idolatry, setting up another god before Him. Since repenting of this practice I don't consult the bible, it's not my go to for wisdom anymore and hasn't been for years. I don't have a go between, I go straight to the Spirit of God Himself.

After consulting the Spirit He does occasionally refer to His words which He's given to others in the past.

I love that the indwelling Spirit can access whatever information He requires and from whatever source. No limitations have been placed on God. It great knowing the sovereign God is free to choose whatever He wants to do with whatever He wants to use, even the various bibles. I rest in this truth.

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Sure. The situation for me was that the Spirit of Christ opened my eyes to see that He was not my first go to in my life. It was the bible. I would not read any other material nor consult any person, not even God, just the bible.

The Spirit convicted me of this unhealthy sinful action of idolatry, setting up another god before Him. Since repenting of this practice I don't consult the bible, it's not my go to for wisdom anymore and hasn't been for years. I don't have a go between, I go straight to the Spirit of God Himself.

After consulting the Spirit He does occasionally refer to His words which He's given to others in the past.

I love that the indwelling Spirit can access whatever information He requires and from whatever source. No limitations have been placed on God. It great knowing the sovereign God is free to choose whatever He wants to do with whatever He wants to use, even the various bibles. I rest in this truth.

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You should have heeded God!

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,