The Coming Rapture

VictoryinJesus · Feb 13, 2025

Episkopos said:
The rapture (snatching away to heaven) is coming. Who will be ready? In a time when the whole world (including Christendom) is deceived by the Devil, will we seek the Lord and wash our robes in the Blood of the Lamb now, by choice; or will we delay this until the Great Tribulation compels us to, if at all?

Revelation 12:1-5 .. And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. …3] …and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. [5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

This is the passage you speak of. I don’t disagree that the Spirit gives birth to Spirit. A few thoughts is how strange Isaiah 66:7-9 "Before she was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she delivered a son. [8] Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children. [9] Shall I bring to the point of birth and not cause to bring forth?" says the LORD; "shall I, who cause to bring forth, shut the womb?" says your God.

How odd:
1)Before she was in labour she gave birth.
2)Before her pain came upon her she delivered a son.
^does this not speak of the promise of God in several verses, Jesus Christ said in Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste (see) of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
And, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27, John 8:51-53 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. [52] Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that you have a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and you say, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. [53] Are You greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom do you make Yourself to be?

John 8:54 Lexicon: Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';

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Before she was in labour she gave birth.
Before her pain came upon her she delivered a son.
Isn’t this the Hope in Christ who said “I go before you” how odd is the promise of having passed from death unto Life, having passed from darkness unto Light …before the dragon of death and loss, opens his mouth wide to devour (swallow) up that which is born of God…

… If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death
How? How does one keep Your saying so that he shall never taste death? “Unto us a Son is given” that is the only way, as He said “I am the Way”

Concerning the dragon..or devil ready to devour the child of God soon as he is delivered…they camped around the crucifixion to devour that which was to be born, waiting to devour “the Son of God”
Consider the verses on “to devour” where you ask and receive not, you lust to have and have not (going off memory), you receive not because you want to bear that you can devour it on your own lust.
To me it’s Merciful of God to not bring forth the fruit …that we receive not, and have not…so that we don’t devour it on our own Lust. Does this speak of timing of “Ask and you will receive, it will be given.”? How do we devour it on our own lust? Who stands waiting to devour the child of God as it is born? Paul spoke of this when he sat with a brother whom was weak and fearful, saying if he destroyed (devoured) his brother whom was weak and without knowledge, then Paul sinned against “Christ being formed” eating up “the child given” and devouring the child in his own lust. Consider Paul desiring Christ be form in his brother…but if it to devour that child in his own lust. Birth is withheld…yet Paul loved the child of God and desired the birth saying, I won’t devour “the blessing of God” in my own lust.

Her child was caught up…
You suggested “One New Man” caught up….is it only the saints caught up? You guess maybe so, so that there be enough missing… Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, [5] even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved- [6] and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, [7] so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

^for where your treasure is, there also is will your heart be. Matthew 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: [20] But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: [21] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Having been raised up with Christ to be seated in heavenly places …<is this Not Christ own laying up treasure in heaven? Which is “having raised us up with him and seated us (treasure) in heavenly places?

But none of this having caught up that which is born of God, not laying up treasure in earth but storing up treasure in heavenly places where neither rust nor moth do corrupt, and no thief breaks in to steal….translates to “that there be enough missing”

I get that is all over the place but for me it takes away it’s not a literal dragon waiting to devour that which is born…but even we are warned we don’t receive the things of God because we want to devour them in our own lust. To me there is Hope in God will even keep me from devouring that which is delivered of God …not answering or giving so that I don’t eat it all up in my own lust. To me that says God will hold back and keep it safe until there’s maturity to not devour it up in my own lust.

The rapture “snatched” out of the Fire verse Jude 1:22-23 And of some have compassion, making a difference: [23] And others save with fear, pulling(snatching) them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

VictoryinJesus · Feb 13, 2025

VictoryinJesus said:
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. …3] …and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,

Travailing in birth
Pained to be delivered
Romans 8:17-25 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. [18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. [19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the sons of God. [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now. [23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, …”

rebuilder 454 · Feb 13, 2025

Galgal said:
According to the parable of the virgins, the rapture occurs (1) after the arrival of the Bridegroom, (2) at the wedding feast. The "Bridegroom", Jesus Christ at the Second Coming, will appear in the Third Temple - Ezekiel 44:2. The wedding feast also requires a Temple:

Then he brought me forth into the utter court, and caused me to pass by the four corners of the court; and, behold, in every corner of the court there was a court.
In the four corners of the court there were courts joined of forty cubits long and thirty broad: these four corners were of one measure.
And there was a row of building round about in them, round about them four, and it was made with boiling places under the rows round about.
Then said he unto me, These are the places of them that boil, where the ministers of the house shall boil the sacrifice of the people.
(Ezekiel 46:21-24)

24 rooms on a pavement along the perimeter of the walls of the outer court are refectory halls with 2304 seats:

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The righteous are in great tribulation now. For those who have found a comfortable place for themselves in the prodigal religion, great tribulation is yet to come.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
(2 Thessalonians 1:6,7)

Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. (Revelation 2:22)

Re read it.
They WENT OUT to Meet him.
Then they did not go back where the virgins ORIGINATED ( their home), they went to the marriage chamber with Jesus and the door (to the room) was shut.
But it gets worse for a force fit postrib rapture, because the setting is normal life, buying and selling, and everyday activities.

All postribbers get the parable wrong, and change and leave out the components as you demonstrated.

rebuilder 454 · Feb 13, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
Sorry Pal, 2 Peter 3:10-13 and Luke 17:29-30 is the very same second coming of Jesus Christ as "A Thief" when he will be "Revealed" in "FIRE" and the entire earth will be "DISSOLVED" by his fire in final judgement

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I hope you are not trying to make a case that at the rapture the earth is burned to the ground and the sky is burned and removed.

Instead Peter is giving limited revelation.
No matter what your position in eschatology is, You can not string those events into one, and we do come away with Peter giving out of sequence facts.
All that Peter says is true, but years apart and disconnected.

rebuilder 454 · Feb 13, 2025

Spiritual Israelite said:
I did. You lack the discernment to recognize them.

Are you aware that Matthew 24-25 isn't the only account of the Olivet Discourse?

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

How are you going to try to get around this one?

Jesus told me no such thing. Only you are telling me that fairy tale. The ones gathered in heaven are the souls of the dead in Christ. The ones Paul says will be with Him when He comes and the rapture occurs.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Yes, it does. And you most certainly do not.

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""13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.""

The uttermost part of earth is the atmosphere.

But let's play devils advocate
You claim a smoking gun is tge word "earth"

So we have 2 " heaven" and one earth mentioned. Bearing in mind your tendency to force fit to doctrine while voiding or ignoring verses, then of course we simply remove that angels are gathering from heaven ...and... POOOOOF! In your mind all rapture verses get eliminated!!!!

How ridiculous.

Spiritual Israelite · Feb 13, 2025

Keraz said:
This belief is a direct contradiction of Revelation 20:4.
ONLY those martyrs killed by the 'beast', will be brought back to life. Not made immortal until the thousand years is over.

When your beliefs conform with Written scripture, the logical and correct sequence of events will become clear to you and everyone likewise.

You're a broken record. You obviously don't care about what Jesus said in John 5:28-29 when He indicated that a singular hour or time is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected. And you ignore what Paul taught when he indicated that all who belong to Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Jesus comes, which you deny (1 Cor 15:22-23).

You also have those martyrs being resurrected with mortal bodies which is never taught anywhere in scripture. Scripture teaches that when the dead in Christ are resurrected they will then be immediately changed to have immortal bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-56). You are completely reckless in your interpretation of Revelation 20. You make it contradict many other scriptures. You should allow these other scriptures to help you interpret Revelation 20 so that you don't cause contradictions.

Spiritual Israelite · Feb 13, 2025

rebuilder 454 said:
I hope you are not trying to make a case that at the rapture the earth is burned to the ground and the sky is burned and removed.

Instead Peter is giving limited revelation.

Limited revelation? What is that based on? Seems like something you made up as an excuse to deny what Peter taught in 2nd Peter 3.

Do you think Paul had limited revlation in the following passage as well where he wrote about the same event that Peter wrote about in 2 Peter 3:10-12?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

We all know that the rapture will be unexpected which is why scripture talks about it happening when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. Paul taught that once it happens, "sudden destruction" will come down on those in spiritual darkness and "they shall not escape". Paul said regarding those who are not in darkness that it will not "overtake you as a thief". Believers will escape that "sudden destruction". Peter indicated that the "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" will be by way of fire coming down on the earth. No wonder Paul said "they shall not escape".

rebuilder 454 said:
No matter what your position in eschatology is, You can not string those events into one, and we do come away with Peter giving out of sequence facts.
All that Peter says is true, but years apart and disconnected.

Total nonsense. There is no indication of that whatsoever in what Peter wrote. Like Jesus did in Matthew 24:35-39, Peter compared the scope of destruction that will occur at Christ's future second coming to what happened with the flood in Noah's day. The flood killed all unbelievers and only believers (Noah and his family) survived. Jesus said "so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.", which means when He comes, all unbelievers will be killed and only believers will survive. We will survive the fire because we will be changed and have immortal bodies at that point.

Spiritual Israelite · Feb 13, 2025

rebuilder 454 said:
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""13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.""

The uttermost part of earth is the atmosphere.

Give me a break. Who do you think you're fooling here? You think there are elect in the atmosphere that will be gathered? Ridiculous. That is clearly talking about the elect who are on the earth being gathered. You obviously are wiling to go to any length to deny the truth.

rebuilder 454 said:
You claim a smoking gun is tge word "earth"

So we have 2 " heaven" and one earth mentioned. Bearing in mind your tendency to force fit to doctrine while voiding or ignoring verses, then of course we simply remove that angels are gathering from heaven ...and... POOOOOF! In your mind all rapture verses get eliminated!!!!

How ridiculous.

What are you even saying here? I don't remove the angels gathering from heaven from the equation. I've said a number of times that I see that as the angels gathering the souls of the dead in Christ from heaven. You are the one trying to remove the fact that He also referenced the elect being gathered from the earth by saying He was referring to the atmosphere. As if gathering the elect from the atmosphere even make sany sense?

You say "2 heaven and one earth mentioned" as if that means anything. The fact that the elect being gathered from earth is recorded in Mark 13 and not Matthew 24 is irrelevant. Each account of the Olivet Discourse contains a different amount of details. In this case, a detail about the gathering of the elect was omitted in Matthew for whatever reason, but included in Mark. We have to look at all 3 accounts of the Olivet Discourse (Matt 24-25, Mark 13, Luke 21) to get the full picture of what Jesus said.

Truth7t7 · Feb 13, 2025

rebuilder 454 said:
All that Peter says is true, but years apart and disconnected.

Your claim is false, the event will come suddenly like a thief in the night, your claims that they are years apart is living in a fairy tale fantasy

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Keraz · Feb 13, 2025

Spiritual Israelite said:
You're a broken record. You obviously don't care about what Jesus said in John 5:28-29 when He indicated that a singular hour or time is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected

I promote the Biblical record.
John 5:28-29 does not say when all that are in the grave will hear His Voice. That information is found in Revelation 20:11-13
AFTER a thousand has passed since Jesus has Returned.

Spiritual Israelite said:
You also have those martyrs being resurrected with mortal bodies which is never taught anywhere in scripture.

But it is: ...they came to life again....Rev 20:4
No mention of any type of change from their mortal bodies. Proved by how they can die again and will receive Immortality at the GWT Judgment.
Lazarus and several other resurrections from the dead; even after decomposition had set in, prove its feasibility.

Your continued rejection of these scriptural facts, is a sad demonstration of the inability of those who grip onto false theories to comprehend the truth, being locked into their delusions.

rebuilder 454 · Feb 17, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
Your claim is false, the event will come suddenly like a thief in the night, your claims that they are years apart is living in a fairy tale fantasy

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 14 is not the rapture of the church, nor is it the second coming on white horses.

Acts one " like manner" can not POSSIBLY fit what you present as a coming in war and power to a destroyed planet.( ahem, conversely it is OPPOSITE your smoking gun)

Matt 24 "before the flood one taken/ left" can not possibly fit your smoking gun.
All rapture verses are peacetime , normal life, commerce, and everyday life.
( that alone destroys any hope of a forcefitted blenderized "one coming")

Your deal is an investment in error via omission.

Look...it has to fit.
Why do people try to make God's word fit some impossibility??????

So your deal is way off.

Truth7t7 · Feb 17, 2025

rebuilder 454 said:
Rev 14 is not the rapture of the church, nor is it the second coming on white horses.

Of course it's the second coming last day resurrection (Then Cometh The End) also seen in 1 Corinthians 15:21-24 and Matthew 24:29-31

The Resurrection, Jesus Reaps The Earth (The End)

Revelation 14:14-16KJV
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Gottservant · Feb 17, 2025

In response to the OP.

If it is true that Jesus said "pray always that you be able to escape the things to come and to stand before the Son of Man" and you are praying always, then at some point you will be praying at the same time as the tribulation.

The alternative is to guess when prayer will be needed (which is not good).

rebuilder 454 · Feb 18, 2025

rebuilder 454 said:
Rev 14 is not the rapture of the church, nor is it the second coming on white horses.

Acts one " like manner" can not POSSIBLY fit what you present as a coming in war and power to a destroyed planet.( ahem, conversely it is OPPOSITE your smoking gun)

Matt 24 "before the flood one taken/ left" can not possibly fit your smoking gun.
All rapture verses are peacetime , normal life, commerce, and everyday life.
( that alone destroys any hope of a forcefitted blenderized "one coming")

Your deal is an investment in error via omission.

Look...it has to fit.
Why do people try to make God's word fit some impossibility??????

So your deal is way off.

rebuilder 454 · Feb 18, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
Of course it's the second coming last day resurrection (Then Cometh The End) also seen in 1 Corinthians 15:21-24 and Matthew 24:29-31

The Resurrection, Jesus Reaps The Earth (The End)

Revelation 14:14-16KJV
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

What you need to do is get a little context.
The 144k FIRSTFRUITS PRECEDE the JEWS gathered in vs 14 ( ahem...not by Jesus in power and glory as a warrior which is tge ACTUAL second coming)

Firstfruit JEWS.
JEWISH ONLY FIRSTFRUITS.
That automatically REQUIRES a Jewish MAIN HARVEST.
But it gets worse, because JESUS HIMSELF, DECLARED HIMSELF TO BE FIRSTFRUITS.
So postribber doctrine, by MISPLACING ALL THAT, tortures Rev 14:14 into a second coming on white horses.
If we omit EVERY COMPONENT of ch 14 you could possibly ( nope still impossible) have some tiny traction.

See folks this is how you KNOW you are on the wrong track.
It is disgraceful to transposed Jesus on a white horse as a warrior and holding a sword, onto Rev 14:14 which VIVIDLY has Jesus HOLDING A SICKLE, SITTING ON A CLOUD.
Just appalling how a false doctrine leads individuals to malign a book that is forbidden to change.
What postribs did TO THEMSELVES , was talk their way unto "one coming".
Totally 100% impossible.
Game over.
Bigtime.

Truth7t7 · Feb 18, 2025

rebuilder 454 said:
What you need to do is get a little context.
The 144k FIRSTFRUITS PRECEDE the JEWS gathered in vs 14 ( ahem...not by Jesus in power and glory as a warrior which is tge ACTUAL second coming)

Firstfruit JEWS.
JEWISH ONLY FIRSTFRUITS.
That automatically REQUIRES a Jewish MAIN HARVEST.
But it gets worse, because JESUS HIMSELF, DECLARED HIMSELF TO BE FIRSTFRUITS.
So postribber doctrine, by MISPLACING ALL THAT, tortures Rev 14:14 into a second coming on white horses.
If we omit EVERY COMPONENT of ch 14 you could possibly ( nope still impossible) have some tiny traction.

See folks this is how you KNOW you are on the wrong track.
It is disgraceful to transposed Jesus on a white horse as a warrior and holding a sword, onto Rev 14:14 which VIVIDLY has Jesus HOLDING A SICKLE, SITTING ON A CLOUD.
Just appalling how a false doctrine leads individuals to malign a book that is forbidden to change.
What postribs did TO THEMSELVES , was talk their way unto "one coming".
Totally 100% impossible.
Game over.
Bigtime.

The Resurrection, Jesus Reaps The Earth (Then Cometh The End)

It's appears you deny that the resurrection is taking place in Revelation 14:14-16 below, as 1 Corinthians 15:21-24 clearly teaches the resurrection (Then Cometh The End) you don't want to see God's very clear truth below

Revelation 14:14-16KJV
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Keraz · Feb 18, 2025

Gottservant said:
If it is true that Jesus said "pray always that you be able to escape the things to come and to stand before the Son of Man" and you are praying always, then at some point you will be praying at the same time as the tribulation.

Escape all these things? NOT by removal:

KJV Luke 21:34-36 Take heed, yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with the surfeit and cares of this life, so that the Day comes upon you unawares. For as a snare, it will come on all those that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch, ye, therefore and pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and so stand before the Son of Man.

NIV Be careful or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation and the anxieties and that Day will close on you unexpectedly, like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.

NET Be on your guard, so that your hearts are not weighed down with dissipation and the worries of this life and that Day close down on you like a trap. For it will overtake all who live on the face of the earth. But stay alert at all times, praying that you may have the strength to escape all these things that must happen and to stand before the Son of Man.

REB Be on your guard, do not let your minds be dulled by dissipation and worldly cares, so that the great Day catches you suddenly, like a trap. For that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over. Be on the alert, praying at all times for the strength to pass through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man.

This interesting Bible passage requires careful examination. It is obvious that it refers to the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath – the next prophesied event, then eventually, how we will stand in the Presence of Jesus.
We are informed that ALL who live on the earth will experience this coming Day. Only those who are ‘accounted worthy’ or ‘have the strength’, will ‘pass (safely) through’ or ‘escape all these things’, ‘that shall come to pass’ or ‘that must happen’.

So, this great Day of vengeance and wrath, will happen and judging by the current world situation, especially in the Middle East, that may be quite soon.

This Day ‘will come upon everyone on earth’, so it is incorrect to say that it is possible to ‘escape all these things’. We will not be ‘raptured’, or taken to a ‘place of safety’ on that Day. We are told to pray for strength and stay alert during this terrifying time. Before it happens, in the short time that we have left of the present dispensation, we ‘must not let worldly cares weigh us down’, so that the Day does not catch us without fore warning and unprepared. If you know what is coming, you are not shocked and terrified, you make preparations, you stay calm, trusting in God to keep you safe. Isaiah 30:15
Therefore the REB gives the correct translation.

To recap: many prophesies speak of this great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, which will come suddenly and unexpectedly upon the whole world. What best fits the descriptions?
Nuclear explosions? No, because even a large bomb only destroys up to a certain radius.

Comet strike? Possible, as that would cause worldwide effects. This will happen during the Tribulation period. Revelation 8:8-11.

Coronal mass ejection? Yes, a massive CME fits all the prophecies and does not leave radiation.
Isaiah 30:26a....the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness.....
No other explanation that a CME can be inferred from that prophecy. But then;

Isaiah 30:26b... on the Day the Lord heals His people....
The promise is given that on this Day, the Lord will save and protect His righteous people.

Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion and thunders from Jerusalem, so that the heaven and the earth shudder, but He is a refuge for His people, a defence for the Israelites.
Read Psalm 107 for encouragement.

rebuilder 454 · Feb 20, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
The Resurrection, Jesus Reaps The Earth (Then Cometh The End)

It's appears you deny that the resurrection is taking place in Revelation 14:14-16 below, as 1 Corinthians 15:21-24 clearly teaches the resurrection (Then Cometh The End) you don't want to see God's very clear truth below

Revelation 14:14-16KJV
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Only Jews are harvested.
You left out that the firstfruits are harvested first.
Do a study of harvest.
Firstfruits are the first part of the harvest. Immediately PRECEDE main harvest 100% of the time.
The bible goes to an extreme to get the reader to understand the 144 k FIRSTFRUITS are EXCLUSIVELY ethnic Jews.

When you try to unpack Rev 14 outside of its components you can then make it say something else.
The components removed are error.
.....every time.

gpresdo · Feb 22, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
Your 1,000 year millennial kingdom on this earth doesn't exist in scripture, it's a man made fairy tale, just like all Christian believers being magically teleported to Jerusalem is a fairy tale, "Beam Me Up Scotty"!

Christs' 1000 year/or millenium reign on earth beginning in the middle of the trib period is clear scripture.

ewq1938 · Feb 22, 2025

gpresdo said:
Christs' 1000 year/or millenium reign on earth beginning in the middle of the trib period is clear scripture.

Not in the middle. It starts after the trib has ended, and after the second coming is completed, Rev 19-20. The trib is when satan through the two beasts reign over the world. The reign of Christ over the world cannot happen at the same time.

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