The Doctrines of Grace
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amigo de christo
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Abraham beleived GOD . GOD said , abraham believed , abraham DID .
its really quite that simple .
Many believe only the words and doctrines they own leaders tell them and explain away the truth .
The sheep will not hear the voice of strangers . They heed the voice of CHRIST .
And for this cause came i into the world
to TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH . All who are of the TRUTH come to ME . take note that didnt say budda or any other religoin .
Ye hear not my word for you are not my sheep .
I keep my Fathers commandments and i know His commandment is ETERNAL LIFE .
What was The commandment , WHO did the FATHER testify of
Who does the SPIRIT testify of
JESUS THE CHRIST . and if ones jesus seems to accept their sins and wicked pratices
IT AINT JESUS they ran too , it was the promise given by another god
who gave them their own lustful hearts desire and slapped a promise of salvation on it .
THAT ONE CANNOT save , THERE IS NO TRUTH in him , it is the father of lies who feeds
the people through the lusts of the flesh . Sheep dont heed that voice or the voice of his hirelings
Like I said, sins only deal with this life on earth. This promise was given to the Apostles exclusively.
Again, sins only deal with this life. BTW, this is a promise to believers only. The confessing sins is not given to unbelievers.
And again, forgiveness of sins deals only in his life. Just so you understand, this judgment is given to believers (hence "Father").
This was provided at the Cross, with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. Since you haven't responded to some of the verses I cited, I will provide them for you.
2 Cor 5.19:
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
Please note that sins are not put on the account of the one who sinned, but on Christ.
2 Pt 2.1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
These are the false teaches, unbelievers, who have been bought. It doesn't get much clearer than that.
1 John 2.2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Notice there is no requirement for one's sins to be paid for. Christ paid for the sins of the whole world.
Please do not ask me another question, it is time for you to defend your position. Give me your interpretation of these 3 verses.
While we are in fellowship (all known sins confessed), we are not able to sin (we are in fellowship with Christ). But James tells us that we sin when we are lured out of our protected position in Christ (sanctification, not justification), exit our temporary fellowship, and then, and only then can we sin. Implicit in our need to confess sin demonstrates that believers can and do sin.
First of all, I personally don't know anyone who says it is "OK" to sin. But because I take the literal method of interpretation, I must believe that Christians do sin, both by commission or omission.
So do we lose our fellowship because we've sinned
or
do we sin when we lose our fellowship?
To WHOM would unbelievers confess their sins?
I see confusion in your posts K...and I believe I'll stop posting to you.
Oh. Some members right on this forum state that we could sin, any sin or amount of sin...,and still be saved.
I like to know what a member believes but it's not easy in your case.
This is because you ARE difficult to understand...
the above is from another poster...apparently having the same problem I'm having in understanding you.
No matter....
Ritajanice
Born-Again
A Born Again can never lose their fellowship with God...some just don’t understand, that we are being conformed into Jesus image, all the Born Again who have been chosen and predestined.
Also a Born Again can never be un- birthed from the Spirit of God....just like once Born Of flesh, we can never go back into our mothers womb.period.
The natural man/ woman can never understand this truth, unless God opens their heart/ eyes and ears to receive it.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ
Also a Born Again can never be un- birthed from the Spirit of God....just like once Born Of flesh, we can never go back into our mothers womb.period.
The natural man/ woman can never understand this truth, unless God opens their heart/ eyes and ears to receive it.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version
2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ
Remember, all sins have been paid for. If a believer sins, he is disciplined in this life. Salvation is not the kind of issue that can be lost or forfeited. Your understanding of this basic truth, leads me to believe you are a babe in Christ. That is not intended to be an insult; you have to start somewhere.
Since you no longer want to interact with me, per your other post, I will ignore you so I don't accidentally respond to a post of yours.
Of course salvation can be lost....
Jesus said so.
Paul said so.
There's a plethora of verses to support forfeiture of salvation...
and
I do believe it's a very important topic since a person's very salvation is at stake.
1. You should not assume anything about a member.
2. If you respond to a post of mine by mistake,,,do you think I'd have a meltdown?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
No one can separate us from the word/ Love Of God.
We can NEVER lose our salvation ...we are grounded and secure in our salvation...because we have Gods Living testimony, witnessing that truth to our spirit all day every day......security in Christ....is a wonderful thing, a peace that one cannot explain.
1 Peter 1
King James Version
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you
Hey You!
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I think that Eternal Security is the most obvious Doctrine in the Bible. Sure; other Verses warn Us of Falling, which would Cause us to Lose our Salvation...
But it's not an issue of 'either/Or' winning out, but it's an issue of 'both/and' winning out; because All Scripture is Good for the Doctrine of Eternal Security. Those who deny Eternal Security should include the other side's Prooftexts, to have a well rounded Doctrine. Likewise, those who endorse Eternal Security should include the other side's Prooftexts, to have a well rounded Doctrine...
The way I achieve this is to say, "We must Persevere; or else". I say that, "Losing Salvation is only ever an Unrealized Potential for the Born Again Christian "...
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
For what I have received ,having never read a Bible , not until I became Born Again....my rebirth blew my mind, in the sense, that when the Spirit was coming through my body and manifesting/ taking up residence in my spirit, the Spirit testified with my spirit that I was God’s child, I fell instantly in Love with the Spirit Of God...my life was His there and then....I know in my spirit that I can never lose my salvation.i don’t have to read any bible to know that, I felt my sins lift the moment my spirit became Born Again ....walking in faith has been far from easy, I’ve had heartbreak, suffering , being alone most of the time,..yet God is perfecting me to be more like Christ, we will never be perfect like him that’s for sure...this is my testimony and belief.
Hey You!
Member
Unrealized Potential ~ * December 8
Judges 20:41 NIV; Then the Israelites counterattacked, and the Benjamites were terrified, because they realized that disaster had come on them.
Have you realized your potential? There’s potential in all of us, so much that we can become President of the United States of America. Our parents want us to realize our potential; they help us do so in many ways. We’ve all realized some of our potential to a certain extent, right? There’s potential in all of us to achieve great things, how can we ever realize it all? Some realize their potential and are immortalized for it, and are grouped with others who have realized their potential in their own unique way. ~ Some never reach their potential in life, and fail in many ways; but isn’t this also our potential? In the movie ‘Trading Places’, we see that the scumbag Billy Ray Valentine always had the potential to be great, but the great Louis Winthorpe lll always had the potential to be a scumbag. Though this is fiction, it has the ring of truth. As I said our parents want us to realize our potential; but not like this! God is a parent too…
Isn’t it true that we’ve realized our potential both ways? ~ Have you ever told a Lie? What do you call people who tell Lies? You may not look at yourself like this, but you’ve realized your potential to be a Liar. Realizing your potential means you have brought it to fruition and it has been realized, right? Have you ever Stolen anything? What do you call people that Steal? You are not potentially a Thief, you’ve brought it to realization by reaching your potential! Have you ever Hated anyone? Jesus said that Hatred is Murder committed within your heart; you’ve realized your potential to be a Murderer. When Jesus Christ is God’s Judge, there’s no way to convince him you don’t deserve Capital Punishment. These were just three of the Ten Commandments, if God judged you by this standard would you be innocent or will you be guilty? You say, “With a hanging Judge, I would be guilty”. Would you go to Heaven or to Hell?
What you need is to realize your potential to become innocent. ~ For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is the only person who ever realized the potential to please God his Father by never Sinning. He became Sin on our behalf so we can become the Righteousness of God. Sin must be punished by God, so Jesus bore our Sin on the Cross and quenched the Wrath of God against our Sin by bleeding to death. But he arose from the grave so that he can be the Author of our eternal Life. We’re Saved by the Grace of God through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, without our trying to Merit our potential. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; and join a Biblical Church that wants to do whatever it takes for everyone to reach this potential. ~ Now you are Eternally Secure; we’re to Persevere in our Faith until the end. Losing our Salvation can only be an ‘Unrealized Potential’ when God is our Father…
John 5:24 NIV; "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Amen! Obviously, With A Plethora Of Plain and Clear Passages, God Himself Obviously Tells us So!:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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God's Eternal Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance
And, Amen!
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