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I don't know? Perhaps it's because of the Acts of the Apostles and the early Church... Taught such things!!!

Let's review how the apostles baptized!


Act 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 8:16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

How do you not know this?
How do I not know what Pierac?
How do YOU know is what I asked YOU.

And you're answer is insufficient.

Do you REALLY think that everything we can know about what the Apostles did is in the book of Acts?
John 21:25
25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.


If you want to learn more about baptism in the early church, you may want to check with those that were IN the early church...I would venture to say that they knew how to baptize.

If how JESUS stated to do this is not sufficient for you...maybe we could check out how those the Apostles taught did baptisms:

“After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” —Didache 7:1 Date: 70 A.D.
(the Didache is the Teaching of the Apostles).

“As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, and instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we pray and fast with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father . . . and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven”—Justin Martr, First Apology 61 Date: 151 A.D.



Every mainline church I know of baptizes in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Only those churches that have gone their own way baptize differently.
 

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Because Jesus is the last ADAM

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

The first Adam was not rasied from the dead...

Act 2:32 "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.


Act 3:26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."

The last Adam... God's servant!!!


How do you not know these things?
You seem to ask everyone how they could not know these things.
Perhaps it is YOU that does not know things.

And your reply that JESUS IS THE LAST ADAM is definitive proof that you're not knowledgeable in either the language of the bible OR general language that is used every day.

JESUS IS THE LAST ADAM is not literal but figurative.
If it were LITERAL it would mean that there have been OTHER Adams in line before Jesus and Jesus will be the last one.

How could you not know this?
 

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"Well Apak...it's not ME that defines Christianity...
It's Christianity that defines it."

this statement is profound GG and in not a great way
Take it how you wish to take it APAK.
It's the truth.

You see Elon already has TESLA set up and going.
IF YOU want to join TESLA,,,you'll have to be abiding by the conditions and rules that are already
existing....you will NOT be able to establish your own.

That's if you want to be a part of TESLA.
Otherwise you could go and start your own car producting company.
 

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Do you have any comments on the actual content of my post?
I think you understood my comment Rich.
I think the time for debating whether or not Jesus is God is over.
I think that those that believe Jesus is NOT GOD...should remove the designation of Christian from their avatar,
and from the rest of their daily lives.

You see, this is not a matter that is up for debate.
YOU and those in your club, do not get to decide what Christianity is...
it has ALREADY been decided about, I'd say, 2,000 years ago.

For example, given that 1 Cor 8:6 says only the Father is God, would you say that Jesus is the Father? Or does it not actually say that the only God is the Father? It'd be nice to have a dialogue with you that isn't just tacit accusations.
What makes you think Christians believe in more than one God?
Christians believe there is ONLY ONE GOD.
It's unfortunate that you don't understand Christianity and yet call yourself one.

Which kind of makes 1 Cor 8:6 irrelevant.
Maybe you could do better.

Now try this verse instead:
Titus 2:13
13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
 
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What you don't seem to know is the name of the only true God is YHWH, the Father, not Jesus, our brother.
Jesus ain't my brother Wrangler....
He's my GOD.

And you're still worshipping a man.
It is sufficient for those with eyes to see for there is many proofs for above. The trinity is not in the Bible.
Post some.
 
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We are all hypocrites at times David..crikey ,it wasn’t so long ago that you were sending me pms telling me how much you loved me as a Sister in Christ, now I get the above..

We shouldn’t turn on each other because we don’t agree, that’s what you seem to have done to me, we all show our true colours “eventually “ David....none of us can hide our true maturity in Christ...

I used to love arguing , I also used to get nasty if others didn’t agree with me.......as it it’s all about “ self”.....what does self consist of David? .as we grow closer to God, continue to mature in his Son,he shows us “ if we’re listening” how much he hates arguing...... ..we are to respect the belief of another....not turn on them because they disagree with what we believe, that’s a “ conditional love”...God Loves me unconditionally.......that’s true Love, there is none on the planet like Gods Love, when we’re secure in that Love....we can love not only ourselves, we can love others too.......let’s move on from “ self” ..bring Glory to Jesus on how we discuss....my heart truly wants to please God.....

Check out the scripture below....let it penetrate deep within your / our hearts.....I’m not here to argue David, I’m here to grow “ spiritually “ in Christ....less of me...more of Jesus shining through from within my heart....may you know more and more of Jesus Love deep within your heart/ spirit....let’s pray that over each other my friend...

2 Timothy 2:23-26 New Century Version (NCV) And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, a good teacher, and patient. The Lord's servant must gently teach those who disagree. Then maybe God will let them change their minds so they can accept the truth.

Edit to add, the thing about us humans is..we aren’t consistent in Christ in our behaviour...

Wouldn’t it be be wonderful if we were..we probably never will be this side of heaven.....that old man in us, doesn’t want to die without a fight.....this is when the full armour of God is coming into my thoughts..

The Spirit is also whispering in my ear...” Remember there is NOTHING that you can do in your own strength....how true is that?....we are being conformed into the image of Jesus...i think it’s the sanctification process ...

David your Son has been on my heart a lot lately, I do hope everything medically is being sorted out for him..it’s awful when we don’t know what’s going on, I can relate as this AF that I have suffered with, needs to be got to the bottom of.i have a blood test today....regarding my serum calcium level in my blood......walk in faith is not easy at times is it?
We are all hypocrites at times David..crikey ,it wasn’t so long ago that you were sending me pms telling me how much you loved me as a Sister in Christ, now I get the above..

My love for you in CHRIST remains the SAME

You have deviated from the commandment of Matthew 4:4 as you have gravitated towards those on here who do not know the LORD Jesus Christ.
They speak of what they can read but they do not understand what they read.

You are free to assimilate with any doctrine your heart desires.
 

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My love for you in CHRIST remains the SAME

You have deviated from the commandment of Matthew 4:4 as you have gravitated towards those on here who do not know the LORD Jesus Christ.
I know Jesus only by His Living testimony, not by reading scripture...
They speak of what they can read but they do not understand what they read.
According to your opinion David...I don’t go by opinions of men/ woman..I go by Gods Living testimony ..
You are free to assimilate with any doctrine your heart desires.
As are you David in bold underlined.
I know the Lord Jesus in my heart, I don’t need to know what you know,I know that my spirit is “ permanently “ Born Again/ in Christ.

I don’t need to believe in any trinity that Jesus is God...because imo he isn’t...he is Gods Son..

No one can prove that Jesus is God.....that will always imo remain a mystery.

What I don’t understand is why you can’t accept members beliefs?

Also because they don’t believe as you believe then they can’t be Born Again...thankfully you aren’t Gods Living testimony and thankfully you don’t/ can’t testify with my spirit that I am a child of God, all day every day.
 
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I know Jesus only by His Living testimony, not by reading scripture...

According to your opinion David...I don’t go by opinions of men/ woman..I go by Gods Living testimony ..

I know the Lord Jesus in my heart, I don’t need to know what you know,I know that my spirit is “ permanently “ Born Again/ in Christ.

I don’t need to believe in any trinity that Jesus is God...because imo he isn’t...he is Gods Son..

No one can prove that Jesus is God.....that will always imo remain a mystery.

What I don’t understand is why you can’t accept members beliefs?

Also because they don’t believe as you believe then they can’t be Born Again...thankfully you aren’t Gods Living testimony and thankfully you don’t/ can’t testify with my spirit that I am a child of God.
Because my dear Ritajanice
SOME DOCTRINE IS WRONG.

And INCORRECT DOCTRINE should NEVER be accepted by orthodox Christians.

Go find out what that means and then come back and report.

JESUS IS GOD. It's no mystery dear Ritajanice.

And if you DO NOT BELIEVE that Jesus is God,,,
you are not ALLOWED to define yourself as Chrisian.

A CHRISTian MUST believe that Jesus is God.

Now...you could go join some sect or other...there are a few out there...
but you must LEAVE THE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS, because to be a part of THEM,,,
you MUST BE CHRISTIAN.

Is that clear to everyone?
 

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Because my dear Ritajanice
SOME DOCTRINE IS WRONG.

And INCORRECT DOCTRINE should NEVER be accepted by orthodox Christians.

Go find out what that means and then come back and report.

JESUS IS GOD. It's no mystery dear Ritajanice.
Jesus is not God, he is Gods Son..
And if you DO NOT BELIEVE that Jesus is God,,,
you are not ALLOWED to define yourself as Chrisian.
I’ve never defined myself as a Christian, I’m Born Again?

I am not allowed to define myself as Christian....according to you, not according to my Father God....I am Born Again...
A CHRISTian MUST believe that Jesus is God.
A Born Again does not have to believe that Jesus is God...scripture please...your understanding of Born Again and mine are miles apart"
Now...you could go join some sect or other...there are a few out there...
but you must LEAVE THE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS, because to be a part of THEM,,,
you MUST BE CHRISTIAN.
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.."Christian makes no sense to me.
Is that clear to everyone?
It’s clear, that salvation is not based on believing that Jesus is God...that’s your own opinion..not biblical.
 

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I know Jesus only by His Living testimony, not by reading scripture...

According to your opinion David...I don’t go by opinions of men/ woman..I go by Gods Living testimony ..

As are you David in bold underlined.
I know the Lord Jesus in my heart, I don’t need to know what you know,I know that my spirit is “ permanently “ Born Again/ in Christ.

I don’t need to believe in any trinity that Jesus is God...because imo he isn’t...he is Gods Son..

No one can prove that Jesus is God.....that will always imo remain a mystery.

What I don’t understand is why you can’t accept members beliefs?

Also because they don’t believe as you believe then they can’t be Born Again...thankfully you aren’t Gods Living testimony and thankfully you don’t/ can’t testify with my spirit that I am a child of God, all day every day.
I know Jesus only by His Living testimony, not by reading scripture...
They speak of what they can read but they do not understand what they read.
According to your opinion David...I don’t go by opinions of men/ woman..I go by Gods Living testimony ..

And thus the danger you are in...............
 

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I know Jesus only by His Living testimony, not by reading scripture...

According to your opinion David...I don’t go by opinions of men/ woman..I go by Gods Living testimony ..

And thus the danger you are in...............
No David....according to you I am in danger...pick me up on my error instead of assumptions and opinions from you......Gods Living testimony backs up His written word..you don’t need no Bible to be become Born Again, that can only come by = Living supernatural divine revelation.....of course the natural man would have no understanding of this..

Our spirit is Born Again David...Spirit gives birth to spirit....your understanding of Born Again is very different to mine.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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No David....according to you I am in danger...pick me up on my error instead of assumptions and opinions from you......Gods Living testimony backs up His written word..you don’t need no Bible to be become Born Again, that can only come by = Living supernatural divine revelation...

Our spirit is Born Again David...Spirit gives birth to spirit....your understanding of Born Again is very different to mine.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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About what?

My testimony is my testimony and I will never deny it, because it doesn’t fit in with yours.or theirs..because your testimonies are the same...means nothing.....everyone’s testimony is different..
Why do you have to bring other members into the discussion, aren’t you secure enough in your own testimony @David in NJ ?

I’m very secure in mine, as I have the Living testimony residing permanently in my spirit, bringing me to understanding all things spiritual...as we are spirit children...completely different ball game....as to being in the world....in the world not of the world.
As I say...pick me up on my error, not keep posting your opinion/ assumptions of my testimony that is also biblical.

I became Born Again having never read a Bible, as becoming Born Again is a Living supernatural divine heart revelation experience/ rebirth...our spirit is birthed by Gods supernatural power, ...it’s not something that you can read and it comes into being.

In John 3:8, Jesus teaches that regeneration is the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit who produces new hearts in the elect. As the wind moves wherever it wills, the Spirit moves in whomever He wills.



Posting loads of scripture or posting loads of scripture memes, proves nothing....we know God in our heart/ spirit, when “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “.chosen and predestined to become children of God..

I’m in the will of the Father, have been for the past 33 yrs....I’m exactly where God wants me to be in his Son...I don’t desperately need to cling for other people’s acknowledgment or recognition... ..my acknowledgment comes from my Father God, not other members who agree with my testimony / belief.

The Holy Spirit is my Living Witness....not you David...you are on your own journey.not sure where God is taking you at the moment.....as I have very little understanding of anything that you post...I only understand what God’s Living testimony brings me to understand..

So far...Jesus was God’s beloved only Son, who adored his Spirit Father.did everything that was asked of him by his Father....he was sent in human form to do God’s will, spread the good news and the perfect Son who atoned for our sin....wonderful man....always thankful and great full for his sacrifice, our only way back to our “ Spirit Father”..by his death and resurrection.
 
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No, I'm worshipping Jesus' God. You are worshipping an IDOL and contracting Jesus who said he was our brother.
I think the word says that Jesus was the first to be resurrected, because of his death and resurrection, we can become united with him in spirit as his brothers and Sisters in Christ....

He was the first of many who will follow him and represent him on earth, as we grow in spiritual maturity and understanding..being conformed into his image, by the power of the Holy Spirit who indwells our spirit, bringing it from darkness into his wonderful light...mind blowing.


Romans 8:29-30 New Living Translation (NLT) For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself.

To be a child of God, is the biggest Honour and Privilege one can receive in this life.
 
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Jesus is not God, he is Gods Son..
See.
Wrong doctrine.
You're a Jehovah Witness!
I’ve never defined myself as a Christian, I’m Born Again?
It says CHRISTIAN under you're avatar.
Whether you're born again is not for me to decide.

I am not allowed to define myself as Christian....according to you, not according to my Father God....I am Born Again...
Actually, If God believes Jesus is God, then YOU should too.

A Born Again does not have to believe that Jesus is God...scripture please...your understanding of Born Again and mine are miles apart"
And isn't THIS the entire problem?
Why are our understandings so far apart Ritajanice?
This must surely mean that
ONE IS RIGHT
and
ONE IS WRONG.

You want scripture re believing that Jesus is God?

John 8:58
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 10:30
30"I and the Father are one.”

John 1:1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


WHO IS THE WORD? FIND OUT BECAUSE IN JOHN 1:14 IT BECOMES FLESH.

John 20:28
28Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Colossians 2:9
29For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Hebrews 1:3
3He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

John 5:18
18This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Titus 2:13
13Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,



There are more....


We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.."Christian makes no sense to me.
The first part of your statement is correct.
You should start finding out what it means to be defined as CHRISTIAN...that would be good.

And maybe, in the meantime, you could remove the word CHRISTIAN from under your avatar?

It’s clear, that salvation is not based on believing that Jesus is God...that’s your own opinion..not biblical.
I don't have opinions Ritajanice.
What I write are NOT opinions.

So YOU are also worshipping a man?
A man called Jesus?
 

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No, I'm worshipping Jesus' God. You are worshipping an IDOL and contracting Jesus who said he was our brother.
Wow what a merry-go-round this is.

So, by your own statement, I'm RIGHT!!

You're either a Witness
or
You're Jewish.

How about taking the designation of Christian from under your avatar?
It's the ONLY honest thing to do.
 
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