Keiw
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LORD --DOES NOT BELONG IN THE OT. Men put it there in place of Gods name--What don't you understand about that 100% undeniable fact?
Exploring Trinitarian Logic
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David in NJ
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I posted the NT scripture that is DIRECT from the OT scripture
If we use the Hebrew it would say:
one Ruach HaKodesh one Elohim Abba one Yahweh Yahshua HaMashiach
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Depends how you understand second death, a term introduced in Revelation, as -
1. Eternal separation from God -
. Sinners thrown into the outer darkness.
. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
. It seems to me those are alive, but separated from God.
Rev 22:14 - Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.
Rev 22:15 - Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
. It seems to me those (outside) are alive, but separated from God.
2. Annihilation, the destruction of the soul of all sinners, I assume that's your interpretation of second death.
Taken
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Hebrews 1:5 says nothing about “THE Son of God.”
Angels “were” created and made “holy”.
Angels:
Regardless if holy Angels are in heaven or on earth,
* their “estate” is Heaven.
* they do not marry.
* their “title” is holy angel.
* their “descriptions”, are created and made, male genders, spirits, servants of God, powerful, sons of God.
Yes, “holy” Angels are “sons of God”, by “declaration”.
Yes, holy Angels have “FREEWILL”, and can forfeit their “holy” status, and “lose” their “status”, estates, titles, descriptions.
“THE” Only ONE Begotten SON of God, was NOT “created”…
RATHER…He was”MADE” able to come Forth OUT from IN God…and Occupy a Body God “Prepared” IN the “LIKENESS as A “Human Jewish man” and was “declared”…”the begotten Son of God”…”while REMAINING IN God.”….
** And was Given A Specific Name... And A specific Status…And specific Titles…And specific Descriptions…And specific tasks To Accomplish While ON Earth.
Son of God…is A “Temporary” “declared title of status”.
It HAS and presently APPLIES…to:
* Gods Word, IN the form of a Body, MADE IN the Likeness AS a Human Jewish male.
* Created holy Angels, who Remain holy.
* Created Human men, who exercise their FREEWILL to accept Gods Offering (according to Gods Order, Way (terms) to be Restored “good” And MADE holy….( and Declared: a son of God)
Once…All IS of Gods PLAN is ACCOMPLISHED…
The Barrier Dividing Heaven and the Kingdom thereof and Earth…
Will Be Opened.
Heaven AND Earth shall Become ONE Kingdom, and God the KING thereof…
All present Angels…Gods holy Servants.
All present ManKIND…Gods holy People.
Descriptions of Fathers, Sons, Mothers, Daughters, Brothers, Sisters, Female Genders, etc. Becomes Irrelevant. Copulation, Reproduction, Becomes Irrelevant.
2 Cor 6:
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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LOL…according to you…
Listen to your Pastor…allow your Paster to Give you permission to Speak…and IF you SAY what your Pastor Preaches…it is, according to you..
Vomit!
You would do do well to grasp the understanding…SOME men rely on their Spiritual Teaching Source to come From God, not human men.
Taken
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Correct.
“Any” separation From God, is a death.
(Regardless if a bodily human man is alive or not.)
Such a bodily human man “separated from God”, while alive in his Flesh life (blood) body…
And his bodily life (blood) physically dies…WILL experience a Final Forever Separation From God…called a Second Death.
God bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
That's what you were doing David in scripture as you usually do. I really try not to guess when it comes to interpreting scripture, to be led by the Spirit of God for an appropriate answer, not of my own desires and expectations.
David in NJ
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You are not understanding that the FATHER-WORD-HOLY SPIRIT Authored the Holy Scriptures.
To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him.
And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One.
Who has performed this and carried it out, calling forth the generations from the beginning?
I, the LORD—the first and the last—I am He.”
“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
A voice of one calling:
“Prepare the way for the LORD in the wilderness;
make a straight highway for our God in the desert.
Every valley shall be lifted up,
and every mountain and hill made low;
the uneven ground will become smooth,
and the rugged land a plain.
And the glory of the LORD will be revealed,
and all humanity together will see it.”
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David in NJ
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So you are guessing then, since you do not follow the Word that was God.
Post 3,876 are the Words of Elohim Abba Elohim Word Elohim Spirit
David in NJ
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”the begotten Son of God”…”while REMAINING IN God.”….
this is MOST important and few SEE even though it is written: "I and My FATHER are ONE"
and again, "No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known."
Not likely. You suggest this of me David, not I.
I would recommend that you examine yourself, for honesty and integrity, along with the Spirit of God, that you, yourself, as I also do, are not taking a wag at scripture; to take it very seriously. If not, then this can become a reckless venture that does not serve anyone, let alone our God.
David in NJ
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And this is the very thing you do and far far worse when you say the Word was "a god"
RECKLESS CONDEMNING VENTURE = calling the LORD "a god"
TRUTH that leads to Eternal LIFE = "the Word was God", "I and My Father are One" , "I am HE" , "LORD Jesus Christ the Savior"
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One.
Who has performed this and carried it out, calling forth the generations from the beginning?
I, the LORD—the first and the last—I am He.”
“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
As I've stated many times before W.....you cannot be defined as Christian UNLESS you agree to christian tenets.
Christians are REQUIRED to believe in the Trinity.
If you do NOT believe in the Trinity,,you are following a MAN and worhsipping a MAN.
You are NOT Christian.
Jesus was accepted as being GOD from the very beginning.
Why should we trust YOU, instead of the Apostles and those they taught?
If only God can forgive sin...why did Jesus forgive the sins of the paralyzed man?
If it's because God gave Jesus the authority,,,,let me ask:
Do you go to a priest and confess your sins?
Perhaps you should since Jesus passed on the authority you speak of to the Apostles, and they to others and so on.
Your reasoning falls flat.
Well, at least you admit it.
You follow a MAN.
How does that make you a Christian?
Are YOU making up the rules these days?
Deuteronomy 28:15-18
15“But it shall come about, if you do not obey the LORD your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
16“Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country.
17“Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
18“Cursed shall be the offspring of your body and the produce of your ground, the increase of your herd and the young of your flock.
19“Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
John 1:45
45Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the Law and also the Prophets wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”
Isn't it nice that the NT is an actual biography.
Not so nice that you pick and choose the verses that SEEM to support your theory.
I suppose you don't care for the parable of the farmers?
Matthew 21:3-41
33“Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who PLANTED A VINEYARD AND PUT A WALL AROUND IT AND DUG A WINE PRESS IN IT, AND BUILT A TOWER, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey.
34“When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce.
35“The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third.
36“Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them.
37“But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’
38“But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’
39“They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
40“Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”
41They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end...
God sent His Son. Because the farmers did not respect the messengers - prophets -
To whom do you believe verse 37 is addressing?
Now see
Isaiah 44:6
6“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
Is Isaiah referring to God?
Let's see
Revelation 1:17-18
17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,
18and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Whom do YOU believe Rev 1:17 is speaking of?
The same person that is spoken of in Isaiah 44:6
Jesus, God, the first and the last.
Either John was right or you are right.
Wrangler
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Trinitarians cannot examine themselves for honesty and integrity because their dogma is inherently contradictory. The passion for the man-is-god thesis is so severe, they now wish to suppress trinitarianism:
- God is a committee made up of 3 members.
- One committee member, by himself, is fully God (Jesus).
that they may know that you alone, whose name is Yahweh, are the Most High over all the earth.
Ps 83:18 (REV)
Wrangler
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I'm OK with name calling. I follow Jesus and the Bible, not manmade "tenets."
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