The Absolute Equality of Jesus With The Father
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Jostler
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The first Adam is the only created son of God. The last Adam was begotten on Mary by the Holy Spirit...this thread is insane....
And, to become a Christian, we must receive Jesus as our Lord and Saviour (John 1:12, Matthew 7:21-23, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).Isaiah 43
Have you noticed that when the scribes and chief priests were summoned by Herod the Great to find out where Christ would be born, they deliberately omitted that clause in red above, and only quoted the previous portion of the verse (see Matthew 2). They did not want to believe that Messiah is everlasting God, and neither did they want to tell Herod this very solemn truth. So when Christ actually ministered in Israel, they opposed Him day and night, and finally had Him crucified. But Jesus condemned them all to Hell for their unbelief.
CoreIssue
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Jesus isn't God?
Luke 24:39 (NKJV)
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
this would be true, if the Bible used the Greek "μονογέννητος", which means just that "only-begotten". However, the actual term that the Bible does use, is the compound word, "μονογενής", which is from "μόνος and γένος". Literally this means, "one of a kind", or "unique". Liddell and Scott in their Greek lexicon, give the meanings as, "the only member of a kin or kind: hence, generally, only, single, in a unique manner". Arndt & Gingrich, in their Greek lexicon, give, "unique and alone, In the Johannine lit. m. is used only of Jesus. The mngs. only, unique may be quite adequate for all its occurrences here". And, Moulton & Milligan in their Vocabulary of the Greek NT, says, "μονογενής is literally “one of a kind,” “only,” “unique”". The use of "only-begotten", has more to do with theology, than what the word actually means.
Jesus Christ, from all eternity IS the Almighty God, the Uncreated, Eternal, Unchanging God. At His Conception in the womb of the virgin Mary, He took upon Himself the very narure of humans, apart from sin. Thereafter He is 100% God and 100% Man, the God-Man.
only during His Incarnation years, and as the God-Man, and never as YHWH.
CoreIssue
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Just as you flesh is a vessel for you. God has no mother. His flesh and spirit did not co-mingle. God cannot die.
I know that Jesus is God. I know He had flesh and bones. I know He has a Father. I know He raised Himself from the dead.
1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
1 John 3:2 (NKJV)
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
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Jesus Christ was a real, complete human being (apart from sin), while He walked on earth. In Philippians 2:5-7, Paul speaks of Jesus eternally existing in the "form" of God, and then taking on Himself the "form" of Man. This word is from Greek, "μορφῇ", which means, "the very nature". As found in Bible Versions like the NIV. His human nature would be like our own, "body, soul and spirit". When Jesus died He "gave up His spirit" (Matthew27:50), which is the "life" of His human nature, and this caused Him to die. In His Deity as Almighty God, Jesus Christ could never die.
Brakelite
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The Rank which is normal in all Father/Soon relationships... That in which the parent has ultimate authority and the child submits to it.
KJV 1 Corinthians 15:24-28
24 Then cometh the end, when he, (Jesus the Son, ) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he(the Father) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he (the Father) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his (Son's) feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he (Father) hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (Father) saith all things are put under him (Jesus), it is manifest that he (Father) is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Jesus), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
KJV 1 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
His flesh was if and from God the creator. Begat upon Mary by his will to fulfill the promise and prophecy of Messiah.
You cannot divide Christ in this manner. He sits at the right hand of God AS GOD with His glorified human body. It is not "flesh" but a "spiritual body". See 1 Corinthians 15.
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