Once Saved Always Saved

[Eternally Grateful]

It's not about "earning" salvatipon.
It's about being OBEDIENT to God.

Matt. 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY THE ONE WHO DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Good luck being disobedient and trying to get into Heaven . . .

if you want to be righteous by your obedience the requirement is perfection. Moses told you this and Paul reiterated it

you can’t be obedient to earn salvation that’s why grace is required

you have no Understanding of grace

 

[kcnalp]

The POINT is we are ALL in danger of going to Hell...
Including yourself...


Duh...but for the Amazing Grace Of God....
I would be there Right Now ! And it would be just.

How about you?

Especially OSASers who tell new Christians they can never be unsaved. OSASers will have blood on their hands on Judgment Day.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here is your daily reality check.
You are an apostate, according to your teaching.
You just dont realize it.
See, if you were not an apostate, "junior", you would not teach that water regenerates the spirit.
But you do teach this, and that is "cursed of God" theology, according to Paul.
See : Galatians 1:8

Only apostates teach that water is regeneration, or that you can "lose your salvation".

Ummmm, an "Apostate" is one who turns their back on their faith.
According o YOUR warped, man-made beliefs, this is impossoble.

Do yourself a favor and open a Dictionary while you STUDY the Bible . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What do you mean??
I DID receive salvation at Baptism.
I DID receive the cleansing of Original Sin at Baptism.
I DID receive the quickening of spirit at Baptism.
You're not making sense . . .

if you only were forgiven original
Sin your still
Dead in your sins. And the HS will not raise you to life. You can be made alive in sin

 

[kcnalp]

ONCE sav-ED is Scriptural teaching.
Sav-ED, is a fulfillment of the the Lord having Accomplish-ED, saving of a mans soul.

Noone has given ANY Scriptural Evidence,
That WORKS Accomplish-ED by Christ the Lord, IN A MAN, becomes, FAIL-ED Works,
BY the power OF man, Over the power of the Lord God, or by ANY other means.

Its not about disagreeing with the saying,
OSAS...
It is squarely About, Disagreeing that power of men can SUPERSEDE the Power of the Lord God,

A man Receiving the Gift of Salvation ...
IS: Squarely AN Offering of the Lord God.
IS: Squarely Given ONCE to a man who Confessed "Heartful" BELIEF.
IS: Squarely AN ACT of the Lords Power
IS: Never superseded, undone, By a mans power, OR the Lords Power.

No one has Proved otherwise.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Christians indeed!5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

They absolutely can fall away! Couldn't be any clearer!

 

[kcnalp]

Yeah I COULD

But what is going to make me change my mind that heaven and hell is not real. That as a sinner I am rightly condemned. And Jesus and the cross is not real? What would cause me to become an antichrist?

Just because someone can does not mean they will.

If OSAS is true they CAN'T fall away! But it's not true.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OBEDIENCE.
Cooperation with God's grace is obedience.

NOT cooperating with His grace is DISOBEDIENCE.
Good luck with that . . .

If it is of grace it is no longer works otherwise grace is no longer grace

the difference between you and I is I do them Because I am saved and out of gratefulness and love if God

you do this works in order to
Earn your salvation

 

[Taken]

Through the power of CHRIST.

So you say, through the power of Christ, you as a living infant...
* Without believing,
* Without confessing belief,
* Without Repenting...
Were given salvation of your soul and given a quicken spirit, when you water baptized without your knowledge?

Do you have a Scripture that teaches, this Order and Way, pertaining to a living infant?

 

[kcnalp]

If it was possible for them to fall away. It would be impossible for them to get re-saved.

Be careful how you use this passage, it could bite you if you interpret it wrong.

No need to "interpret". They partook of the Holy Spirit and then fell away. OSAS is wrong!

 

[kcnalp]

I ate the bread which endures to eternal life. Which Jesus said he would give and whoever ate of it would never die. Live forever, Never hunger or thirst, And be raised on the last day because they have ETERNAL life

Thats Eternal security, or as you call it OSAS

I hope you're right! Then I can't lose!

 

[kcnalp]

I would rather have blood on my hands, then have Jesus tell me depart for he never knew me. Like he will to those who hold to NOSAS and try to give Jesus their works as payment for sin.

So you think OSASers who lead people to Hell will be saved anyway?

 

[kcnalp]

Yet look at how OSAS is being judged.

Look in the mirror lately?

I hope OSAS is right! I can't lose! But it's absolutely wrong.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We should far far more works than these

but not to earn or maintain salvation (selfishly looking for something in return) but because God loved us, so we should love him back

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you think OSASers who lead people to Hell will be saved anyway?

One must be led to Christ and be saved to believe in eternal security,

no one is saved apart from Christ.

we lead people to Christ, not works of self righteousness...

you do not understand us, that’s one thing for sure, you sure you most just attacking calvinism? Because you hat calvinisma.Instead of those who have their hope reading in Christ?

 

[kcnalp]

One must be led to Christ and be saved to believe in eternal security,

I believe in eternal security for those who "strive to enter in" as Jesus warned us. Not OSAS! Are you saying non OSASers aren't Christians?

no one is saved apart from Christ.

That's a fact!

we lead people to Christ, not works of self righteousness...

you do not understand us, that’s one thing for sure, you sure you most just attacking calvinism? Because you hat calvinisma.Instead of those who have their hope reading in Christ?

I don't understand your comment.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I hope OSAS is right! I can't lose! But it's absolutely wrong.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Heb 4 is talking about jews who returned to law. Because they law is where their faith always was, they never had true faith in Christ, however they did taste the gift and become partake ts as anyone who fellowships with gods people do, the author is trying to state a fact, according to the law salvation had to be earned, if you fell away you had to be re-saved by the works of the law. In grace it’s not
If you try grace and the church out, and fall away from the truth, you will never come back. Because no one ever does. They went back to where their real faith was, the law. And when you return, you put Jesus to open shame

the law plus grace never saved anyone

Plus you never continue the passage

7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

Notice, it does not say it is cursed it says it is near to being cursed, much like Paul in corinthians speaks of the one who is saved, even as through fire.

salvation can not be lost. To teach it can puts Christ to shame, how dare you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I didn't say it was, junior.,.

Being born again is NOT the issue.
It's whether or not you commit spiritual suicide.

You commit spiritual suicide every time you even stumble at one sin, apart from grace you would be dead where you stand.

stop watering down the law so you can feel better about your self,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just as long as YOU are aware that YOUR interpretation of John 3:5 is a relatively NEW heresy that only sprang up sometime in the last few hundred years.

Nicodemus asked about how a man is born AGAIN - not his first birth . . .

Yep

and Jesus told him how,

for god so loved the world he gave his only begotten som that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have life eternal.

yep. No baptism.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Spiritual death IS damnation, Einstein.
Jesus talks about this (Matt. 10:28, John 3:16, John 3:36).

STUDY your Bible, dude . . .

You are born spiritually dead

to be born again is to be made alive ,, and we who were dead, he has made alive, forgiving us all sin.

 

[Illuminator]

it’s stupid and insulting to God to

Your lie has been exposed, so you attempt to derail with sacraments that are not good works to begin with.

Claim you do not believe in works. Yet claim unless we do the works of your sacraments we will not be saved

Nonsense. Truth cannot be imposed, it can only be proposed to those willing to receive it. Sacraments have nothing to do with your lies about works righteousness.

he said whoever eats the food he came to give which endures to eternal life will
Never hunger or thirst never die live forever and be raised on the last day.

Jesus was very emphatic about eating physical food that your system spiritualizes, but what does this have to do with your lies about works righteousness? Nothing, because you have no idea what a sacrament is. You assert one thing and deny it at the same time.

Does it follow, then, that if you can’t “DO ANYTHING” whatsoever to attain salvation, that you likewise can’t “DO” anything to lose it? So then, do you believe in eternal security (I don’t know)? You’re not a Calvinist, that I’m aware of………

And does this absolute prohibition of “DO ANYTHING” include such things as the altar call, sinner’s prayer, joining of a fellowship, public confession of repentance, renunciation of former sinful activities, etc.? You are not making any sense, but you throw in "sacraments" (which is a completely different category from good works) for color. Your squirming because your lie has been exposed.

These are not sacraments.