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[Waiting on him]

1Timothy 1:18-20

"This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

Yes, Timothy also suffered the opposition of Judaism.

 

[justbyfaith]

I was praying this morning and the Lord brought these scriptures to my mind; I don't know who it is for.

1Sa 15:22, And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Pro 21:3, To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Okay. So, when you were an infant, you were water baptized, and at the same time, of your water baptism, you received the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Yup, as per Acts 2:38-39.
Anything else?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Baptized in water is not baptized in Christ. And John 3 has absolutely nothing to do with water baptism

Absolutely FALSE.

However - I'd love to heay YOUR exegesis of this verse . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You can twist it how ever you want. The Bible says we who were dead and made alive are made alive forever

Jesus said whoever believes in him
Is given this life eternal

gif lives eternal to eternal (psalms 90). Just because we have a beginning does not mean we do not have eternal
Life.

Jesus said this is eternal life. That they know you. And the one you sent. Whoever believes is nit
Condemned whoever does not
Believe is condemned already

It’s nit baptism and the Eucharist and acts of Penance and all your works you trust in. It’s God and his promise based on his work. Your church wants to take
Glory from God And give it to themselves. God will
Not share that Glory with the proud

Like I said - you can deny the conditions of salvation until it's too late.
I've given you AMPLE Scriptural evidence to support tis - and all YOU'VE given me are flat denials of God's Word.

Just remember that unless you cooperate with God's grace - you cannot hope to be saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yup, as per Acts 2:38-39.
Anything else?

That's assuming you were baptized in the name rather than in titles.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Comparing taking vitamins to repenting? That's OSAS for you!

I ate the bread which endures to eternal life. Which Jesus said he would give and whoever ate of it would never die. Live forever, Never hunger or thirst, And be raised on the last day because they have ETERNAL life

Thats Eternal security, or as you call it OSAS

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is not about the age of the person being baptized but it has to do with whether the person being baptized is capable of making a valid confession of Jesus before men.

The only salvation that is given in baptism is given because baptism in Jesus' name is a confession of Jesus before men (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8); an identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection.

For one thing, if the person has not died to self (repented), they are being buried alive in baptism and there is no resurrection that will take place. In order to be raised with Christ, one must needs have died with Christ.

This does not happen with little tiny infants; it is something that happens by faith: and the cognitive ability to have faith is not present in the minds of little infants.

Sooooo, in order for YOU to believe in the promises of Christ per John 3:5 and Acts 2:38-39, you would have to see an example in Scipture of a baby repenting??
What a pathertic lack of fatih in God.

For people like YOU - with God, ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26), except for:
- Endowing the Holy Spirit on babies and small children
- Renderng Mary sinless
- Giving us His Body and Blood sacramentally
- Giving His Church full earthly Authority
. . . and a host of other things.

I reject your limited version of God.
MY God - the God of Scripture - has NO limitations . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Like I said - you can deny the conditions of salvation until it's too late.
I've given you AMPLE Scriptural evidence to support tis - and all YOU'VE given me are flat denials of God's Word.

Just remember that unless you cooperate with God's grace - you cannot hope to be saved.

there is only one condition

Believe in the name of the Lord Jesus christ and you will be saved. Eat the food which endures to eternal life.

You can give me all your extra works of righteousness you think God will accept as payment of sin from now until eternity. I will still go with the word..

ps. You do not COOPERATE with grace. that makes it WORKS>

Grace is freely given. It is not earned.

Your church has poluted Grace to means something other what it means

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's assuming you were baptized in the name rather than in titles.

Ahhhh - so you're one of those ignorant people who doesn't understand that "in the NAME of" simple means, "by the AUTHORITY of".
That is a fairly NEW heresy, by the eway.

Read the following scholarly linguistic evidence regarding this phrase . . .

According to English Language & Usage Stack Exchange/:
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding: Old English nama, noma "name, REPUTATION," from Proto-Germanic *namon

(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"), from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").

We've all experienced the power of namedropping in our lives. People respect us and our opinions if they believe we are connected to someone with GREATER REPUTATION AND AUTHORITY.

In all cultures, people of authority have always lent their REPUTATION and their AUTHORITY to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations. The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the REPUTATION and AUTHORITY of another person.

English Reports Annotated - Pages 1505-2672, 1505, page 2048:
...an action on a board given to trustees of an industrial society before the act may, after registration under the act, be brought in the name of the newly - incorporated body.

“In the name of” meaning:

Macmillan Dictionary
1. representing someone or something
2. using the authority given by someone or something

Collins Dictionary
1. in appeal or reference to
2. by the authority of; as the representative of

Idioms.TheReferenceDictionary.com
1. Based on the authority of someone or something. We proclaim these things in the name of God. In the name of King John, I command you to halt.
2. With someone or something as a basis, reason, or motivation.

Thesaurus.com
- through - at the hand of
- supported by - through the agency of
- via - with
- through the medium of
- under the aegis of
- with the assistance of

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I won't be surprised if OSASers have a lot of blood on their hands on Judgment Day!

I would rather have blood on my hands, then have Jesus tell me depart for he never knew me. Like he will to those who hold to NOSAS and try to give Jesus their works as payment for sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OSASers are extremely judgmental to those who don't believe OSAS. You can't be lost unless you disagree with OSAS.

Yet look at how OSAS is being judged.

Look in the mirror lately?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Absolutely FALSE.

However - I'd love to heay YOUR exegesis of this verse . . .

Better yet. I would love for you to show me the word baptized in John 3

Because you see. Jesus told Nicodemus HOW to be born again. And I do not see the word baptize anywhere..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Like I said - you can deny the conditions of salvation until it's too late.
I've given you AMPLE Scriptural evidence to support tis - and all YOU'VE given me are flat denials of God's Word.

Just remember that unless you cooperate with God's grace - you cannot hope to be saved.

Like I said,

You have not given me any evidence. Other than your no different that a jew or a Pagan trying to earn you way to heaven

Again, Good luck

 

[justbyfaith]

Sooooo, in order for YOU to believe in the promises of Christ per John 3:5 and Acts 2:38-39, you would have to see an example in Scipture of a baby repenting??
What a pathertic lack of fatih in God.

For people like YOU - with God, ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26), except for:
- Endowing the Holy Spirit on babies and small children
- Renderng Mary sinless
- Giving us His Body and Blood sacramentally
- Giving His Church full earthly Authority
. . . and a host of other things.

I reject your limited version of God.
MY God - the God of Scripture - has NO limitations . . .

Jesus is perfectly capable of doing all of those things.

He simply hasn't chosen to do things in those ways.

 

[justbyfaith]

That's assuming you were baptized in the name rather than in titles.

Ahhhh - so you're one of those ignorant people who doesn't understand that "in the NAME of" simple means, "by the AUTHORITY of".
That is a fairly NEW heresy, by the eway.

Hey, your blood is on your own head if you are putting your trust in a baptism that was merely in titles rather than in the name.

See Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12, 1 Peter 3:20-21.

 

[Taken]

Yup, as per Acts 2:38-39.
Anything else?

Sure, that itty bitty thing... Of Confessing Belief...

You are saying, without a Heartful confession, you received the Holy Spirit...
But never mentioned...
Confessing Belief, Receiving Forgiveness, Receiving Salvation of your soul...
Before receiving Quickening of your spirit.

How did the ORDER and WAY not apply to you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

there is only one condition
Believe in the name of the Lord Jesus christ and you will be saved. Eat the food which endures to eternal life.

You can give me all your extra works of righteousness you think God will accept as payment of sin from now until eternity. I will still go with the word..

ps. You do not COOPERATE with grace. that makes it WORKS>

Grace is freely given. It is not earned.

Your church has poluted Grace to means something other what it means

WRONG.
That's ONLY if you cherry-pick the Scriptures and you usually do . . .

Here are somne of the conditions listed in the verses that YOU ignore:
Mark 16:16
He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned.

John 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. "Assuredly, I say unto you, UNLESS you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

Matt 18:33
And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE your brother from your heart.”

James 1:22
But PROVE yourselves DOERS of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

Matt. 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple MUST DENY THEMSELVES and take up their cross and follow me.

Matt. 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY THE ONE WHO DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Matt. 24:13
But the one who ENDURES TO THE END will be saved.

Matt. 6:14-15
For IF YOU FORGIVE OTHERS their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE OTHERS their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

WRONG.
That's ONLY if you cherry-pick the Scriptures and you usually do . . .

Here are somne of the conditions listed in the verses that YOU ignore:
Mark 16:16
He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned.

John 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. "Assuredly, I say unto you, UNLESS you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

Matt 18:33
And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE your brother from your heart.”

James 1:22
But PROVE yourselves DOERS of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

Matt. 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple MUST DENY THEMSELVES and take up their cross and follow me.

Matt. 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY THE ONE WHO DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Matt. 24:13
But the one who ENDURES TO THE END will be saved.

Matt. 6:14-15
For IF YOU FORGIVE OTHERS their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE OTHERS their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (like everything you have posted here) BUT BY HIS MERCY, HE SAVED US BY THE WASHING AND RENEWAL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

Good luck trying to earn your salvation. When your ready to stop pumping your chest like the pharisee, and ready to get on your knees like the tax collector. Look me up I will rejoice and praise God

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If one is “ cooperating”—— why does that man need Grace.....Grace kicks in for Believers automatically when they are “ not” cooperating .....
Grace is “ unmerited favor”.......... if you are cooperating you “ merit” that favor.....
When ‘ I “ Sin ( which is much more often that I care to admit— how about you? ) those are the times I am like Paul—- “ I don’t hold back the Grace of God”.

God's grace in salvation does have a condition, just not the condition of meriting it through works.