Once Saved Always Saved

[BloodBought 1953]

If OSAS is true I can't lose! If it's not true many OSASers will lose forever and ever!

Jesus thought that OSAS was True.....how else could he say this——“ Those That Believe In Me ALREADY HAVE Eternal Life and will NEVER come under Condemnation....”

I have yet to see one single believer in NOSAS address this verse that quite simply can not be argued with ......any fool out there wanna give it a shot?

 

[kcnalp]

OSASers must have this page missing from their Bibles.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus thought that OSAS was True.....how else could he say this——“ Those That Believe In Me ALREADY HAVE Eternal Life and will NEVER come under Condemnation....”

I have yet to see one single believer in NOSAS address this verse that quite simply can not be argued with ......any fool out there wanna give it a shot?

Oh that's right, you're the one who calls others "fool". Thanks for reminding me.

Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's in the context

Please.....I still do not understand your definition of “ the Narrow Gate”..... don't over complicate it....you know what it means to “ define” something, don’t you? Just do that. Break it down for me like I was a little kid.......thanks....

 

[kcnalp]

Please.....I still do not understand your definition of “ the Narrow Gate”..... don't over complicate it....you know what it means to “ define” something, don’t you? Just do that. Break it down for me like I was a little kid.......thanks....

Jesus said it plainly. Why do you want my opinion?

 

[amigo de christo]

“ If we are Unfaithful, HE remains Faithful, for He can’t deny Himself....”

That is not at all what that verse says my friend . IT says IF we believe not , He cannot deny Himself .
AKA , just cause folks believe NOT IN JESUS , dont mean he all of a sudden dont exist .
HE cannot DENY HIMSELF my friend . Just thought you should know that .
But since we on that note , IF one does deny HIM , HE WILL DENY THEM .
SO my question is this . HOW does one DENY THE FAITH .
Well if they dont believe IN JESUS , dont confess HIM by mouth and believe that GOD has raised HIM from the dead ,
WELL for sure and for certain they have DENIED HIM . BUT there is another way as well my friend .
And i will let paul sum it up. IF any provides not for his own , JESUS TUAGHT them to take care of one another , SO if one is not A DOER
of JESUS sayings , HE has DENIED THE FAITH and is worse than even an infidel .
OH yes . And one thing that is for sure and for certain , WE BETTER KEEP OUR FAITH IN HIM ALONE
TO THE END and not be moved away into this FALSE DEAD END FAKE GOSPEL OF them popes and francis
WHICH is such a false love . FOR IT has said , that every religion , yes even those who profess NOT JESUS as LORD
Is still saved and knows GOD . WHAT A LIE false dead gospel that man and many others now embrace .
SO REMEMBER , and MAY ALL REMEMBER , IF our lips can tell folks they dont need to confess JESUS to be saved , WE ARE LIARS
and do not KNOW JESUS , DO NOT KNOW GOD. FOR THE GOSPLE is very simple and very plain .
BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST , CONFESSING HIM by mouth and believing from the heart that GOD has rose HIM from the dead , AND YE WILL BE SAVED . PEROID . How simple it is to be saved , FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST . HOLD THAT FIRM TO THE END .
AND be sure to examine and make sure its the BIBLICAL JESUS WE do follow and not another jesus invented by men .

 

[justbyfaith]

Andrew Farley is a false teacher whom @Blood Bought 1953 has heaped to himself to tell him what his itching ears want to hear. I wouldn't recommend listening to him unless you want to be deceived.


JBF Plus Lucky Repentance is just Sore because Andrew Farley isn’t “ Fallen from Grace” as he is.....

JBF does not “ recommend” Dr. Farley......I could not “ Imagine” a better reason to start listening to his Teachings....( Tares.... Leaven Spreaders and Legalist will all be offended, so you had best just stay away...concentrate on keeping your “ Lucky Repentance” ledgers spotless....)

You have obviously drawn a line in the sand, @Blood Bought 1953.

You are against me, that is crystal clear.

However, Jesus is with me and in me; so where does that leave you?

It leaves you fighting against someone who has Jesus with him and in him.

I think he is a Saved man that lives a “ Crippled and beggarly” Walk Of Faith.....he has no True Assurance Of His Salvation,

That is an absolute untruth.

My assurance level is very high, as a matter of fact.

I know that I know that I know that I'm saved.

I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed unto Him against that day.

because he carries the weight on his shoulders of never being certain that he will “ repent Of all of his Sins before he dies”—- gotta hang on to the hope that Good Luck will prevail in his final seconds.....and ya never know how those “ final seconds” will play out!

I know that I have repented of all my sins...and those final seconds will play out just fine because of certain promises in God's word...such as Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, and 1 John 2:10.

Grace is “ unmerited favor”...

Grace is "simple favour" If you look up the definition of charis in the Greek, "unmerited" is not included in the definition.

We don't merit the favour that God gives us, that is true; however the favour that the Lord gives us actually produces merit; none of which saves us: but I am saying that because the Lord changes us from the inside out and makes us holy and righteous, we begin to deserve the kingdom that He has prepared for us. While we never deserved the grace that changed us.

Where are these men who accomplished what Paul couldn’t ?

I have met them but have lost contact with them over time. They are elderly people who attend the Nazarene Church.

That they have been cleansed from all sin is clear to me, because they have been transparent before the Lord (they have walked in the light as He is in the light) and therefore we had fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ continually cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

The-only way to understand the Trinity is to be One it’s Members....

We are made one with the Holy Spirit when we are wholly sanctified (1 Corinthians 6:17, Ephesians 3:19-20).

“ If we are Unfaithful, HE remains Faithful, for He can’t deny Himself....”

2Ti 2:11, It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12, If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Tit 1:15, Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Tit 1:16, They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

OSASers must have chopped this from their Bibles.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

If you take the time to study the verses IN CONTEXT , there is no need to “ chop” anything out of the Bible.....especially Heb 6 and 10...... even a child could see the misunderstanding about those verses.....unless, of course, that child was “ Stiff Necked”......
Text without Context is Error.....learn how to “ Rightly Divide”..... the 9 chapters that proceed that “scary” 10th chapter explain everything that is going on .....the only thing being addressed is Unbelief in Jesus by “ fence- straddling” Jews that have to make up their minds—— put their Faith in the “ ONE TIME” Blood Sacrifice Of Jesus or stick with their old ways, which is to continue with their useless Temple worship where they put their in the “ blood” alright—— the “ blood” of animals...
This side of the Cross.....That ain’t gonna get it no more....there is “ no more Sacrifice for sins” other than the One Time Sacrifice For ALL Sins made by Jesus as He Shed his precious Blood at Calvary.....
If these verses meant what you “ think” they meant, they would make 400 other verses Lies....that ain’t happening....

 

[amigo de christo]

Come ye one and come ye all to the glorious savoir JESUS CHRIST .

 

[kcnalp]

If you take the time to study the verses IN CONTEXT , there is no need to “ chop” anything out of the Bible.....especially Heb 6 and 10...... even a child could see the misunderstanding about those verses.....unless, of course, that child was “ Stiff Necked”......
Text without Context is Error.....learn how to “ Rightly Divide”..... the 9 chapters that proceed that “scary” 10th chapter explain everything that is going on .....the only thing being addressed is Unbelief in Jesus by “ fence- straddling” Jews that have to make up their minds—— put their Faith in the “ ONE TIME” Blood Sacrifice Of Jesus or stick with their old ways, which is to continue with their useless Temple worship where they put their in the “ blood” alright—— the “ blood” of animals...
This side of the Cross.....That ain’t gonna get it no more....there is “ no more Sacrifice for sins” other than the One Time Sacrifice For ALL Sins made by Jesus as He Shed his precious Blood at Calvary.....
If these verses meant what you “ think” they meant, they would make 400 other verses Lies....that ain’t happening....

It clearly says partakers of the Holy Spirit can fall away.

 

[justbyfaith]

Also, "willful sin" (Hebrews 10:26-31) includes things like what is spoken of in 2 Corinthians 12:20-21; such as "uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness".

 

[kcnalp]

Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

OSAS is a cruel hoax!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I know that I have repented of all my sins..

Good for you....if only that were the Criteria for entering Heaven.....it ain’t.....
I took all of my vitamins today ....it’s about as relevant to my Salvation as my Repentance is.....UNLESS—— AND THIS IS OF EXTREME IMPORTANCE ! If , and ONLY If , By “Repentance” you mean that a person underwent a “change of mind “ that took him from being an Unbeliever in the Gospel , with no Faith in Jesus as his ONLY means of Salvation , to a person that had his heart opened by God to BELIEVE the Gospel and for the First time see that he is a Sinner That MUST have a Savior, and Recognize that that “ Savior” is Jesus Christ , and then TURN to Him to be Saved.....
THAT is Repentance .....and never think for ONE SECOND that I don’t Believe that Repentance is NOT Mandatory for one’s Salvation.....It IS!
You just have to understand that “ Repenting” ain’t the same thing as “ Repenting from Sins”..... that latter type that YOU are hung- up on will FOLLOW Salvation.....the Holy Spirit in you, which you did NOT have before you “ changed your mind” about who Jesus was and why you needed him.....THAT Spirit will see to it that you “ repent of sins”...... and with the Holy Spirit in you now....
You just might be able to do something ABOUT IT ! ( because now, you have God indwelling you, and he will get to the ROOT of any and all of your problems —- some things —- VITAL Things to God , are+not so readily apparent to self- Righteous “ Fruit Inspectors” .) God knows EXACTLY what needs to be done and HE will “ Finish the Work that He Started”....Just like He promised to.....

 

[kcnalp]

Good for you....if only that were the Criteria for entering Heaven.....it ain’t.....
I took all of my vitamins today ....

Comparing taking vitamins to repenting? That's OSAS for you!

 

[kcnalp]

I won't be surprised if OSASers have a lot of blood on their hands on Judgment Day!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Oh that's right, you're the one who calls others "fool". Thanks for reminding me.

Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

You, yourself now look a bit “ Foolish”..... I am in Great Company! ....

David said that if you deny the existence of God .....you are a FOOL....
Paul Accused the Galatians Of being FOOLs....
And now, for the Topper—-Jesus said in Matthew 23:17, referring to some Pharisees—- You Blind FOOLS !
Now....go away, you Fo......Er ah, You Bible -Ignorant Soul....( WOW! I almost damned myself there, didn’t I? ..... give me a break.....)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Jesus said it plainly. Why do you want my opinion?

Your evasions speak louder than any opinions you might have to offer ....you answered without answering.....good job......and good- bye...

 

[kcnalp]

You, yourself now look a bit “ Foolish”..... I am in Great Company! ....

If I'm foolish for believing Jesus then so be it. You should join me.
Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

David said that if you deny the existence of God .....you are a FOOL....

No quote?

Paul Accused the Galatians Of being FOOLs....

No quote?

And now, for the Topper—-Jesus said in Matthew 23:17, referring to some Pharisees—- You Blind FOOLS !

Jesus is God. You're not.

Now....go away, you Fo......Er ah, You Bible -Ignorant Soul....( WOW! I almost damned myself there, didn’t I? ..... give me a break.....)

Go ahead and call people fool. I'll believe Jesus. No wonder you believe OSAS.
Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[kcnalp]

Your evasions speak louder than any opinions you might have to offer ....you answered without answering.....good job......and good- bye...

You really should stop calling people fool!
Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If OSAS is true I can't lose! If it's not true many OSASers will lose forever and ever!

Did you ever consider that it could be the other way around? God said that if you Trust in His Son to Save you, He, in turn, would Save you to the UTTERMOST! You side calls that a lie. My side does not. Now, you tell me—- who’s in the most Trouble?