Three Days?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If one LOVE Scripture, he'll for Scripture DEFY THE ROTTEN CHURCH.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The event described took place on the first day of the week. Mark says it was very early in the morning. Matthew adds the additional detail - not really necessary perhaps - that the new day was beginning as the Sabbath was ending (after the Sabbath).

Mark says NOTHING of Jesus' resurrection. Matthew gives the circumstantial detail necessary to know that he writes of the Resurrection. And never does the new day begin as the previous day is ending. In the Bible SUNSET ends as well as begins the previous and the following days respectively.

 

[Wrangler]

More important than any quibbling about Prepositions is the Greek first principle in grammar, syntax and simply linguistics, the basic condition of Case.

You do know the original manuscripts have no grammar, right?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

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This comment is off-topic, but I seriously think it's something that needs
saying from time to time.

Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake, I highly recommend making an
effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged, sensible, coherent, and
tidy.

Excessive bolding, underscoring, and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing,
twitter spelling, unnecessary emogies, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures
of fonts and colors, and/or shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes
for tiresome clutter and annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.

Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves annoying enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.

I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can be as messy as they want because their comments don't
matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly believe ourselves to be
representing God's son; it's unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and
makes him look like his followers are desperate kooks.

"Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ." (Phil 1:27)
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Wish you could be so quick and thorough with critique of WHAT, no one than I myself, wrote.

Pants, stand still!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I'm beginning to think you are deliberately trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose just justify your legalistic adherence to the Sabbath. (SDA?) Your mission to get rid of the Lord's Day and shift his death to Thursday (as if you are convincing anyone) is not working! Maybe in your mind you think The Holy Spirit is working through you to convince the world that we have been wrong all along and should be worshipping on The Sabbath? I think He would have made that correction long ago if that were true - maybe as part of Luther's 95 Thesis? So, I guess you won't be celebrating Easter Sunday?

At last something we agree on, I <deliberately am trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose, to justify the ONLY reason for being of the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD : because Jesus ROSE from the dead ON IT. Yea, you are absolutely right. I wish the SDA believed it also. But they are greater enthusiasts of the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose than Sunday Resurrectionists!

By the grace of God I am what I am, 'Sabbath's Feast of Christ Home Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Is Passover on the First Day of Unleavened Bread? (Part Two)

O! Give Ritenbaugh my regards.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You do know the original manuscripts have no grammar, right?

Wrangler

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

This is inaccurate. The Jewish Day begins at Sunset. By dawn, the Jewish day is half over.

What was implied was morning, daytime, you know, when the sun comes up ...

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Twentieth century quasi Greek Grammar and Syntax.

Let A.T. Robertson tell you,

Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament
Quote begins:
Now late on the sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (opse de sabbatwn, th epipwskoush eiί mian sabbatwn). This careful chronological statement according to Jewish days clearly means that before the sabbath was over, that is before six P.M., this visit by the women was made "to see the sepulchre" (qeorhsai ton tapon). They had seen the place of burial on Friday afternoon (Mark 15:47; Matthew 27:61; Luke 23:55). They had rested on the sabbath after preparing spices and ointments for the body of Jesus (Luke 23:56), a sabbath of unutterable sorrow and woe. They will buy other spices after sundown when the new day has dawned and the sabbath is over (Mark 16:1). Both Matthew here and Luke (Luke 23:54) use dawn (epipwskw) for the dawning of the twenty-four hour-day at sunset, not of the dawning of the twelve-hour day at sunrise. The Aramaic used the verb for dawn in both senses. The so-called Gospel of Peter has epipwskw in the same sense as Matthew and Luke as does a late papyrus. Apparently the Jewish sense of "dawn" is here expressed by this Greek verb. Allen thinks that Matthew misunderstands Mark at this point, but clearly Mark is speaking of sunrise and Matthew of sunset. Why allow only one visit for the anxious women? Quote ends

And KJV and ALL the MANY English Bibles from after the Reformation when Greek Scholarship was genuine learnedness and not the farce it has been since the 20th century, HAVE 'opse' : "LATE ON".

Please, if A.T. Robertson does not know what "dawn" means, that it precedes morning, than his teaching is worthless - wouldn't bother with any of it.

 

[Wrangler]

What was implied was morning, daytime, you know, when the sun comes up ...

I’m not sure what verse you’re talking about now. However, there is no question when Mary went to the tomb Sunday morning (@ dawn) it was empty. There is also no question that Jesus was put in the tomb as the sun was setting.

The only question is how do you count 3 FULL days and 3 full nights?

What we have is:
END TIME
DURATION

What always seemed implied is that Mary missed by moments the greatest event in human history. The math points to 12 hours earlier; the resurrection happening as the sun was setting on Saturday. It’s poetic mirroring of Creation.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Egypt had sunrise days The LORD revealed the Torah's creation days from sunset to sunset. So the Mishna is correct as far as the historic exodus passover is concerned.
Microsoft Word - Book 1, 1 Passover to Crucifixion.doc (biblestudents.co.za)
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Your answer is irrelevent to my post.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Is Passover on the First Day of Unleavened Bread?

Technically the Jews' seder is supposed to be eaten during the first night of
the Feast Of Unleavened Bread; and when the sun comes up, they can all go
home after incinerating their leftovers.

The Jews' seder is a pilgrimage type of dinner sort of like the Arab's Mecca
thingy. There's roughly fifteen million Jews in the world. If they all came to
Israel for the seder like they're supposed to do, every square foot of land in
and around the city of Jerusalem would easily surpass the camping scene at
Black Rock Nevada's Burning Man art festival.
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[Ronald David Bruno]

More important than any quibbling about Prepositions is the Greek first principle in grammar, syntax and simply linguistics, the basic condition of Case. Case first and foremost allows no alternative to the Genitive / Ablative being inclusive, and the Accusative being exclusive. Movement in Time or Distance is that OF the body mass or entity in Case of Genitive / Ablative; but in Case of Accusative the entity is static with the Time or Movement "approaching towards unto" the entity, or "moving off away from" it. NO irregularities!

So 'after the Sabbath' needs the Accusative and 'on the First Day' needs the Genitive; BUT WE SEE the Genitive in Case "OF the Sabbath" and WE SEE the Accusative in Case "TOWARDS the First Day".

Nothing could be simpler and straight forward. Modern translations are scandalous. Fortunately the translators are kept incognito.

I personally despise them, not for their incompetency so much, but much, much more, for their COWARDICE AND HYPOCRISY.

"After the Sabbath", at dawn approaching sunrise is when the women went to the tomb. Even if KJV is an accurate translation, Matt. 28:1 is just informing us that they started, were on their way "at the end of the Sabbath". I get up before dawn to walk my dog and see the sunrise. They got up before the dawn to see the Son rise. Dawn is only 25 minutes. Maybe their walk was just about timed perfected when both the sun and the Son rose - the earth quakes, the angel came down and Gehard just can't seem to process all of it. You really have this angst about the Lord's Day - rubs you wrong.

 

[Jay Ross]

"After the Sabbath", at dawn approaching sunrise is when the women went to the tomb. Even if KJV is an accurate translation, Matt. 28:1 is just informing us that they started, were on their way "at the end of the Sabbath". I get up before dawn to walk my dog and see the sunrise. They got up before the dawn to see the Son rise. Dawn is only 25 minutes. Maybe their walk was just about timed perfected when both the sun and the Son rose - the earth quakes, the angel came down and Gehard just can't seem to process all of it. You really have this angst about the Lord's Day - rubs you wrong.

How can an angel coming down from heaven cause an earthquake? It is not the usual sign of an angelic visitation of an angel to the earth.

However, if you said that the guard at the tomb were in turmoil when they saw the angels coming down out of heaven to roll the stone door away from the entrance to the tomb, then I would believe you, but to suggest that there was also an earthquake around the time that the sun rose on the Sunday, the first day of the week, is a little hard to swallow since this earthquake is not recorded in the report to the Sanhedrin, nor in any other recorded account around this time.

Shalom

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

At last something we agree on, I <deliberately am trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose, to justify the ONLY reason for being of the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD : because Jesus ROSE from the dead ON IT. Yea, you are absolutely right. I wish the SDA believed it also. But they are greater enthusiasts of the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose than Sunday Resurrectionists!

By the grace of God I am what I am, 'Sabbath's Feast of Christ Home Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith'.

That's the longest name of a denomination I have ever heard.
One thing I appreciate about you is that you caused me to re-study the Death and Resurrection of our Lord ... like never before. I never really had a problem with it, just read it and believed, accepted the days they fell on. The Holy Spirit nudges me when things are off, if someone is not really telling the truth. He gives us the truth. He shines light in these that are not the truth and so after all these 30 years, Good Friday and Easter have become a big part of the Light. Eggs, bunnies, no!
Chocolate is okay though.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The only question is how do you count 3 FULL days and 3 full nights?

Part of a day or evening is counted as a day or evening. It was inclusive. Jesus took care of business quickly ... Jonah needed a little more time! ;)
[See post #85]

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

How can an angel coming down from heaven cause an earthquake? It is not the usual sign of an angelic visitation of an angel to the earth.

"And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it." Matt. 28:2

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Mark says NOTHING of Jesus' resurrection. Matthew gives the circumstantial detail necessary to know that he writes of the Resurrection. And never does the new day begin as the previous day is ending. In the Bible SUNSET ends as well as begins the previous and the following days respectively.

Read!
"Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, that they might come and annoint Him. Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen ... they saw that the stone had been rolled away ..." Mark 16:1-4
Mark 16:6 "He is risen."

I guess you missed the Mark!

 

[Wrangler]

Part of a day or evening is counted as a day or evening. It was inclusive. Jesus took care of business quickly ... Jonah needed a little more time! ;)
[See post #85]

This goes against Scripture. 3 FULL days and 3 full nights as Jonah. Not partial days.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

This goes against Scripture. 3 FULL days and 3 full nights as Jonah. Not partial days.

Where is the word "full" in that scripture?