Once Saved Always Saved

[Eternally Grateful]

I was thinking the same about you Brother!

If we are finished, then we are finished, nothing I can do about that!

I have no problem disagreeing, but when you falsly accuse a person and refuse to repent when corrected, there is no excuse for that

 

[BloodBought 1953]

John 5:24.......”Anyone who hears my word and believes the One who sent me already HAS Eternal life and shall NOT come Under Condemnation”
Ain’t heard anybody make an effective case against that—Ever!
The only point that I would make about John 5:24 is that it only applies to those who have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14).


NOT or NEVER coming under Condemnation means just what it says....there are NO Qualifications other than to “ BELIEVE” in the One that He sent......No matter what Conditions you put forward, whether they are true or not, makes no difference.....whatever it “could” or “would” be would Have to be covered.Why? Simply because it says they will NEVER BE CONDEMNED! Look up the word “ never”.....
If one has to stand on his head and whistle “ Dixie” in order to be Saved, God will see that it is DONE....just like if we MUST ENDURE or if we have HEART FAITH—-the Onus is upon His Shoulders....HE is the One that made the Promise ....
Our part of the Deal is to Believe....He will see to it that anything and everything that is Necessary beyond “ that” Point will be completed.....it makes Sense——After all, HE is the One that Promised to “ Finish the Work that HE started”...... as crude as it May sound.....”the monkey is on His back” once we do our part.....Our “ Part” is really tough isn't it ? It’s really “ tough” to accept a Free Gift, isn’t it? ( That last part was what ya call “ irony” , for the few dim bulbs we have out there ).... lol...

 

[Charlie24]

I have no problem disagreeing, but when you falsly accuse a person and refuse to repent when corrected, there is no excuse for that

We disagree, but I haven't called you a false prophet and in need of repentance for disagreeing with me.

For every verse of scripture you have for proof of your belief, I also have the same, and I think more!

It is possible for two Brothers in Christ to disagree without name calling and pulling rank as a greater Christian.

If you want to have a brisk conversation in this thread to prove your case, I will gladly join you and do the same!

But if you want to label me, bring me to repentance when you have much room for evidence, then take that up with someone else!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

John 5:24.......”Anyone who hears my word and believes the One who sent me already HAS Eternal life and shall NOT come Under Condemnation

NOT or NEVER coming under Condemnation means just what it says....there are NO Qualifications other than to “ BELIEVE” in the One that He sent......No matter what Conditions you put forward

I highlighted the qualification in red.

All the scriptures are his “word”.

But you cannot hear this scripture for some reason:

Colossians 3:5-7
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Walked and lived; PAST TENSE!

Funny how you claim promises you are not qualified to claim.

 

[Charlie24]

So these scriptures mean nothing? They can be ignored?

Colossians 3:5-7
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Walked and lived are past tense by the way...

To say “your salvation rests on Jesus Christ” and ignore scriptures by living and walking the same way you did prior to “believing” is doing this:

Mark 7:13
[13] Making the word of God of none effect

Mark 7:7-8
[7] ...in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

So @Charlie24 why did you start this thread? You seem to be on-board with Once Saved Always Saved. Did you just want to provoke heated debate?

Mark 7:6
[6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

I haven't seen a single person here who says you can be saved and live your life in sin with no remorse.

Some of us have more sin than others, none of us are perfect, but we are all saved the same way.

Those who have been saved and drift off into sin will receive the chastisement of God. It does not mean they are not saved.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I haven't seen a single person here who says you can be saved and live your life in sin with no remorse.

Some of us have more sin than others, none of us are perfect, but we are all saved the same way.

Those who have been saved and drift off into sin will receive the chastisement of God. It does not mean they are not saved.

Colossians 3:5-7 KJVS
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Not “In the which you now live and walk with remorse in some degrees less than others”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We disagree, but I haven't called you a false prophet and in need of repentance for disagreeing with me.

For every verse of scripture you have for proof of your belief, I also have the same, and I think more!

It is possible for two Brothers in Christ to disagree without name calling and pulling rank as a greater Christian.

If you want to have a brisk conversation in this thread to prove your case, I will gladly join you and do the same!

But if you want to label me, bring me to repentance when you have much room for evidence, then take that up with someone else!

We did not disagree my friend

you stated over and over believed something I do not

own up to it,

 

[Charlie24]

We did not disagree my friend

you stated over and over believed something I do not

own up to it,

According to you I am a false prophet in need of repentance, BUT we didn't disagree on anything?

I'm accustomed to having conversation with those who are living in the present reality of life!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Osas is proved by taking the word as a whole, we do not need one small passage to prove our point,

If you can't get past "Epignosis" - then you can't invent "OSAS".
It's that simple.

You are under the dekusion that the NT was written in English.
When you are ready to admit that it ws written in Koine Greek - let me know . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you can't get past "Epignosis" - then you can't invent "OSAS".
It's that simple.

You are under the dekusion that the NT was written in English.
When you are ready to admit that it ws written in Koine Greek - let me know . . .

It’s not my problem.

I trust god, when will you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then you agree on works based self righteous gospel.
god will not accept your works of righteousness as payment, if you try to give them to him, he will tell you to depart for he never knew you

Ummmmm, can you point me to the post where I made this claim?

I didn't think so . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

According to you I am a false prophet in need of repentance, BUT we didn't disagree on anything?

I'm accustomed to having conversation with those who are living in the present reality of life!

you can’t even get this right, your still slandering me

good day sir.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It’s not my problem.

I trust god, when will you?

No - you only trust an English-speaking God.
The inspired NT was written in Greek . . .

 

[Charlie24]

you can’t even get this right, your still slandering me

good day sir.

It might help if you explain yourself! But don't go to slandering you, I think you have done plenty of that on your own!

If you can't explain yourself and want me to read your mind, then yes, good say sir!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I would be interested in chapter and verse on Abraham being a liar and adulterer.

I know that he has been accused of "pimping out Sarah" to the Egyptians...

When Abe went to Egypt he Lied about his wife...he told pharaoh that Sarah was his sister ....that was a lie no matter how one would try to sugar-coat it.....
He was married to Sarah and had sex with Hagar “ to help God out”..... that is what one might call Adultery.....Worse than “that” , it was his lack of Faith in God’s Promise to make him a Father Of many nations ....the fact that he lacked the Faith to wait on God to fulfill his Sacred Promise .....THAT was the REAL thing that God hated....
The result of Abraham’s lack of Faith, his desire to “help out” God , was the introduction of Ishmael to the world .....wanna know why there is always war in the Mid- East? Trace it back to Abe’s lapse of Faith .....wanna know the true Root Of all of those that “ ADD to Paul’s Gospel Of Pure Grace”.... the Ones That desire to “ help God out” with False , Perverted Additions like “ Lucky Repentance” , Sabbath Worship, Tithing, Church Going, never committing a Sin on purpose, blah, blah, blah......The Spiritual Father Of all of those that trust in their Works to get Saved.....it’s nine other than Ishmael ...the descendant of Hagar , the Slave woman who gave birth to Ishmael .....
Do YOU try “ help out “ God with your False Gospel Additions? Trace back YOUR “Spiritual Adultery” to Hagar and Abraham’s lack of Faith..... you are a Child Of The Slave Woman, and you pay for it every day with your lack of assurance because of your Legalism.....you simply lack Faith....
Abraham had sex with Hagar.....she was not his wife.....the Adultery he committed with her was “ small potatoes” compared to his Lack Of Faith .....
A wise person would learn a lesson from that....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Post 448:


You still haven’t found how to quote members postings. You were quoting me: I was the person who wrote the bolded red text in your post. As @justbyfaith said, use your mouse to highlight the text of interest by holding down the left-click button until the portion of text you want to respond to is highlighted, then the options to “quote” and “reply” pop up.

Hope this helps.

Duh.....I am trying to understand.....I was home- schooled.....lol.....

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don't think Protestants try to prove osas by Hebrews 10:26-31. I think the argument is it doesn't say osas is not true. I think it wise to leave the osas argument out of it and just do what it says for corns sake, lol, which is keep believing (because he who promised is faithful), encouraging one another and spurring one another on to love and good deeds in our meetings and stop purposely sinning. Quite simple. Osas doesn't change that counsel one iota.

Ummmmm, then you MIGHT want to talk to all of the Protestants that I've been debating for the last few days who HAVE tried to use this passage as a proof for OSAS.

But, the plain linguistic fact is that whether or not somebody tries to use it as a proof is irrelevant. On its own - it is a solid refutation of OSAS because of the word "Epignosis".
Had the words oida or gnosis been used - then this verse couldn't be used to support OR refute OSAS.

For ALL of you who think that the NT was written in English - I'm sorry to tell you that it wasn't.
You need to bone up on your Greek . . .

 

[Charlie24]

Ummmmm, then you MIGHT want to talk to all of the Protestants that I've been debating for the last few days who HAVE tried to use this passage as a proof for OSAS.

But, the plain linguistic fact is that whether or not somebody tries to use it as a proof is irrelevant. On its own - it is a solid refutation of OSAS because of the word "Epignosis".
Had the words oida or gnosis been used - then this verse couldn't be used to support OR refute OSAS.

For ALL of you who think that the NT was written in English - I'm sorry to tell you that it wasn't.
You need to bone up on your Greek . . .

In 1 Tmothy 2:4,

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

Knowledge is the same word "epignosis" as used in Hebrews 10:26,

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

It is definitely speaking of having received the knowledge of truth in salvation.

In 1 Tim. 2:4, God wants them to receive the knowledge of truth in salvation.

In Heb. 10:26, they have already received the knowledge of truth in salvation.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

nope.
I can stop doing those things and not serve others, many have done that, they remained babes in Christ,

I guess I don't know what your point is. I must have lost the flow of our discussion.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ummmmm, then you MIGHT want to talk to all of the Protestants that I've been debating for the last few days who HAVE tried to use this passage as a proof for OSAS.

I don't push the osas issue much because it's such a meaningless argument that distracts from what's really important. What I do talk about is the Bible's admonition to keep believing. That is what matters. Some people think true believers can't help but to continue believing. Good. And then there are those who think you can stop believing. That's good too. But at least they both understand that you have to a believer when you die to be saved at the resurrection. That is what matters. That is the important point. But then there are those who think you can stop believing and you're still saved. Now those people need correction, but it's easy to do with plain scripture. There's no confusion or misunderstanding about that in the scriptures.