Once Saved Always Saved

[Charlie24]

Nope

Predestination is in the word, calvinistic view of predestination I reject.

your Jewish and Catholic roots are showing though?

Nope

Predestination is in the word, calvinistic view of predestination I reject.

your Jewish and Catholic roots are showing though?

If you reject Calvinism you reject that predestination is all God's choice, that His grace is irresistible, which leads to not being able to change ones mind about Christ, no free will, which leads to not being able to depart from His grace.

We see in scripture this is heresy! But after being taught this all your life, I know from experience, it's very difficult to change ones point of view.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, the fruit of 'self control'.

Yes, the fruit of 'goodness'.


And how do you love and serve others? By being patient, self controlled, peaceable, kind, faithful..... See how that works?

nope.
I can stop doing those things and not serve others, many have done that, they remained babes in Christ,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you reject Calvinism you reject that predestination is all God's choice, that His grace is irresistible, which leads to not being able to change ones mind about Christ, no free will, which leads to not being able to depart from His grace.

We see in scripture this is heresy! But after being taught this all your life, I know from experience, it's very difficult to change ones point of view.

I reject double predestination, and predestination apart from free will

predestination is in the word. To say we are not predestined is to reject the word of God

 

[Charlie24]

I reject double predestination, and predestination apart from free will

predestination is in the word. To say we are not predestined is to reject the word of God

I reject double predestination, and predestination apart from free will

predestination is in the word. To say we are not predestined is to reject the word of God

We were predestined to Gods plan of salvation before the foundation of the world, not chosen by Him as in having no choice on the matter! Calvin got it all wrong, except for the T, total depravity of man, that I can go along with, but that's where the hearing of the Gospel comes in. We hear the Gospel, the Holy Spirit makes Himself known in Christ, we accept or reject.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The only “ Holiness” That Anybody will ever know is a “ Holiness” That is Imputed to them.....just like the only “ Righteousness” anybody will ever know is the one Imputed to them....Imputed because they Believe that Jesus is the Risen Lord....Plus Nothing.....especially not “ Lucky Repentance”...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We were predestined to Gods plan of salvation before the foundation of the world, not chosen by Him as in having no choice on the matter! Calvin got it all wrong, except for the T, total depravity of man, that I can go along with, but that's where the hearing of the Gospel comes in. We hear the Gospel, the Holy Spirit makes Himself known in Christ, we accept or reject.

I never stated otherwise my friend

please try to pay attention.

I will not tell you again, I reject calvins views, so continue to try to push his views on me is to prove your not willing to listen

I believe in free will, I am chosen based on my free will, I am predestined based on my free will.

God knew me before time began, I was not a surprise, he did not wonder if I would say yes, he knew I would, and based on that foreknowledge he chose to predestined me to become his child

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Let’s stop “ beating around the bush” with “don’t do this and do do that”.......The Standard for Heaven Is Perfection.....”You are to be Perfect , even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect”
You think the people on this Forum are Stupid? You harbor Secret Thoughts That would Shame Hell, itself.....just like the rest of us ....
You NEVER had a Lustful Thought? Get out Of here with that Hog Wash, Fellow Adulterer and Common Sinner.....Put Away Your Utter Foolishness and Self Deception.....go out and get you some Grace—— it’s the ONLY thing that’s gonna get you Saved.....you ain’t no different from me—- you need TONS of it......why can’t you just Admit it ? Is it Pride or Pathetic Teaching? Its one or the other.....

I think what shocks me more than your blasphemous ranting against holiness is that @Charlie24 actually LIKED your unholy ranting. I knew there was a reason I avoided internet chat forums for over 13 years... There are corrupters lying in wait at every corner in these places.

Isaiah 59:4-5,8
None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. [5] They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper. [8] The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

Psalm 57:4
My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

Isaiah 59:15
Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

Psalm 55:2-3
...Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.

 

[101G]

True and false. You are reading John 7:38-39 through the eyes of a natural man not as spiritual (I Cor. 2:14), and through the eyes of someone who believes in a "diversified-oneness shared" doctrine.

You think you have truth and love to challenge others, so now I challenge you to correctly exegete the above verses the way God had intended. I will truly be surprise if you can expound said verses without your biases.

To God Be The Glory

sure be glad to

John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."John 7:39 "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

question? "WHY was he not yet GIVEN?". because he, the Holy Ghost was with them in Flesh, and in that flesh he gave his BLOOD, yes the Holy Gave his, his, his, blood.

now to be sure that the Holy Ghost was with them in Flesh as the diversity of his ONENESS, as in Spirit, scripture, Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." BINGO, there he is... the Holy Spirit in Flesh, and please note that the Spirit was not Given... again because man was still in SIN, hence the reason why the Holy Ghost was in flesh, to give his LIFE, (Blood). now you can reply, but I also challenge you, when did the Holy Ghost have blood? listen to the scripture,

Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

now JunChosen, please tell us when did the Holy Ghost have BLOOD?.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Charlie24]

I never stated otherwise my friend

please try to pay attention.

I will not tell you again, I reject calvins views, so continue to try to push his views on me is to prove your not willing to listen

I believe in free will, I am chosen based on my free will, I am predestined based on my free will.

God knew me before time began, I was not a surprise, he did not wonder if I would say yes, he knew I would, and based on that foreknowledge he chose to predestined me to become his child

I am paying attention and can plainly see you believe in irresistible grace taught by Calvinism!

You are contradicting yourself! You believe that man has the free will to choose Christ for salvation but he doesn't have the free will to reject Christ as we plainly see in Hebrews after salvation.

You are plainly saying that one can lose faith in Christ, no longer believing in His saving power and be saved, which is agreeing with Calvin, in the scheme of his belief. It's one or the other, you can't play both sides of the fence, EG.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am paying attention and can plainly see you believe in irresistible grace taught by Calvinism!

you clearly cannot see, and this is the fourth time you have bore false witness against me, keep it up and I will ignore you because you are to proud to be a teacher of anything

You are contradicting yourself! You believe that man has the free will to choose Christ for salvation but he doesn't have the free will to reject Christ as we plainly see in Hebrews after salvation.

You are plainly saying that one can lose faith in Christ, no longer believing in His saving power and be saved, which is agreeing with Calvin, in the scheme of his belief. It's one or the other, you can't play both sides of the fence, EG.

He does have free will

but who is going to reject Christ after being born of him? You only lose faith when someone proves to be unfaithful, if you think one can repent again and turn from belief then you must not know Christ yourself. Because your saying CHrist is unfaithful

once more, stop trying to tell me what I believe, your dead wrong

you also argue against John, who stated quite clearly a unbeliever is an antichrist, and those who leave as unbelievers where never part of us

that’s not calvinism, it’s the word of god

grace is resistable, if it was not everyone would come to Christ, the fact only few come to him in faith shows how we can freely resist grace

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Certainly you must know the RIGHTEOUS are MADE righteous by Receiving the Gift of Salvation and THEN written in (forever) the Lambs Book of Life



Yeah.......but once you know that , ya gotta Repent from all of your sins before you die or you will go to Hell.....
I hate to butt-in, but I though that you should know the “ gospel” according to the man with the Ironic nickname “ just by Faith”.....he does not catch the Irony.....there are many other things that he does not catch......I don’t know how familiar you are with the man.....just thought that I would give you a “ head’s up”..... once again, sorry to interrupt....

 

[Charlie24]

I think what shocks me more than your blasphemous ranting against holiness is that @Charlie24 actually LIKED your unholy ranting. I knew there was a reason I avoided internet chat forums for over 13 years... There are corrupters lying in wait at every corner in these places.

Isaiah 59:4-5,8
None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. [5] They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper. [8] The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

Psalm 57:4
My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

Isaiah 59:15
Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

Psalm 55:2-3
...Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.

I agreed with him because he is right according to the Word of God!

We all disagree on something, but his statements were correct, dead on the money!

 

[Charlie24]

you clearly cannot see, and this is the fourth time you have bore false witness against me, keep it up and I will ignore you because you are to proud to be a teacher of anything


He does have free will

but who is going to reject Christ after being born of him? You only lose faith when someone proves to be unfaithful, if you think one can repent again and turn from belief then you must not know Christ yourself. Because your saying CHrist is unfaithful

once more, stop trying to tell me what I believe, your dead wrong

you also argue against John, who stated quite clearly a unbeliever is an antichrist, and those who leave as unbelievers where never part of us

that’s not calvinism, it’s the word of god

grace is resistable, if it was not everyone would come to Christ, the fact only few come to him in faith shows how we can freely resist grace

Proves my point! Calvinist roots that are hard to shake once taken to heart!

I'll just have to remain that false prophet that witnesses against you, I have no choice!

But I still consider you a Brother in Christ regardless of our differences!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I agreed with him because he is right according to the Word of God!

The only circumstance where he would be right according to the Bible is if he didn’t claim to be saved while still being filled with abominable darkness.

What Bible are you people reading?!

Does @Blood Bought 1953 sound like someone who has done any of these things:

Colossians 3:5-7
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

What on earth is wrong with you people?!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Proves my point! Calvinist roots that are hard to shake once taken to heart!

I'll just have to remain that false prophet that witnesses against you, I have no choice!

But I still consider you a Brother in Christ regardless of our differences!

Ok, am done with you

your a false accuser and have no capacity to listen to people.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If you left-click and hold it down and then drag the mouse to the right, you can "highlight a text". When you take your finger off of the left-click button, it will give you the option of "quote" or "reply". You should experiment with this; left-click on either one. You can also right-click on a "highlighted text" and it will give you the option of Copy or Cut...you can then paste what you highlighted by going to the message screen and right-clicking and then left-clicking on "Paste".

If you use the "quote" button, then when you get down to where you type your message, there should be an INSERT QUOTES button added at the bottom left. if you left-click on that and then left-click on QUOTE THESE MESSAGES on the next screen, you should have what you want on the screen. Clicking "Reply" in the first place will do that for you automatically. I use the quote feature when I want to quote more than one thing and respond to it.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the attempt....I use an I-pad......that might be different....and when I say “ dotard”, I really mean it ....
I used to be up on everything computer-wise....sometimes it took a LOT of Aggravation to get to that point.....the older I get, the less aggravation I am willing to put up with.....my tolerance for “ hassles “ is pretty close to zero....retirement has ruined me.....lol....( having said that.....I recommend it highly!)

 

[Charlie24]

The only circumstance where he would be right according to the Bible is if he didn’t claim to be saved while still being filled with abominable darkness.

What Bible are you people reading?!

Does @Blood Bought 1953 sound like someone who has done any of these things:

Colossians 3:5-7
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

What on earth is wrong with you people?!

I have read enough of @Blood Bought 1953 posts to know that his salvation rests on faith in Jesus Christ by grace through faith.

We have differences, no doubt, but he is saved the exact same way as myself. I have no right to judge his salvation, while at the same time, I do have the right to disagree with his theology in certain areas.

He along with @Eternally Grateful, are my Brothers in Christ, even though we disagree on some matters of scripture!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I use an I-pad.....

Double tap the screen on the text you want to quote, and hold your finger down on the second tap; then scroll over the desired text with your finger.

When you lift your finger the “quote “ option comes up. Tap on it with your finger.

 

[Charlie24]

Ok, am done with you

your a false accuser and have no capacity to listen to people.

I was thinking the same about you Brother!

If we are finished, then we are finished, nothing I can do about that!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I have read enough of @Blood Bought 1953 posts to know that his salvation rests on faith in Jesus Christ by grace through faith.

So these scriptures mean nothing? They can be ignored?

Colossians 3:5-7
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Walked and lived are past tense by the way...

To say “your salvation rests on Jesus Christ” and ignore scriptures by living and walking the same way you did prior to “believing” is doing this:

Mark 7:13
[13] Making the word of God of none effect

Mark 7:7-8
[7] ...in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

So @Charlie24 why did you start this thread? You seem to be on-board with Once Saved Always Saved. Did you just want to provoke heated debate?

Mark 7:6
[6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.