For free will believers out there

[theefaith]

This scripture you quoted doesn't prove that any jews pierced Jesus as the Roman soldiers did.

they are guilty coz they consented to it

 

[Truther]

Acts 13:29-33 says Jesus became the son of God AFTER the resurrection.



An exclamation is not a revelation. "My God, that is a beautiful car." Exclamation, not revelation. I know atheists who exclaim 'My God' as they reach the pinnacle of the sex act. Exclamation, not revelation.

Thomas was the first to announce that Jesus was God in the entirety of the Gospels.

Do you doubt Thomas' timing?

 

[Truther]

Jesus was always God.

"Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am !”

That was the Father speaking to the Jews THROUGH Jesus per this....

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

[Renniks]

That was the Father speaking to the Jews THROUGH Jesus per this....

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

What? It was Jesus claiming to be one with Yahweh!

 

[Wrangler]

Thomas was the first to announce that Jesus was God in the entirety of the Gospels.

Do you doubt Thomas' timing?

I doubt your ability to discern an exclamation from a revelation.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Look at the bright side, beliefs can be a personal thing so, since the Jehovah's Witness' bible has no legitimate scholarship or historical validity, you are free to write anything in your copy you want, and it is just as valid as anything that is already written in it.

The sky is the limit...but you might want to consider that when you are standing before Christ on Judgment Day explaining to Him that He is not a God, you also have to explain all the other twisted things you believe.

It kind makes we wonder how people pick their religious beliefs...there are over 30,000 Protestant denominations to pick from. Can you imagine walking into a Baskin' Robbins and having 30,000 ice cream flavors to choose from. But it would not help, a person like you would walk past the good stuff to pick out dog poop sherbet.

With all those Protestant denominations out there, and the vast majority of the them being valid beliefs, why do people pick a religion that denies the deity of Christ or portrays God as a satanic monster as in Calvinism. You disregard thousands of valid religions to work your way to the most sacrilegious abominations of religious beliefs?

Well I don't worry about all that. I'm not going to literally see Jesus. That's how you choose to believe. I also don't worry what scholars or theologians think about the NWT. I read what scholars say about the NWT. They all don't believe as you say. Theologians and scholars are experts and when it comes to experts they all never agree. There will always be some who disagree.
As for religions or denominations concerning Jesus Christ why pick one that denies the Only Begotten Son of God is the Word that became human in the likeness of the first man Adam. Christendom denies that the Only Begotten Son of God became human. They also deny that the Only Begotten Son sacrificed his human body, his human life because they don't believe that Jesus was resurrected a life giving spirit. So the ones who are in danger of losing their eternal lives are those who believe like you Grailhunter

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

they are guilty coz they consented to it

Well you can believe that if you choose, I disagree with it. It still doesn't prove that revelation 1:7 is speaking about people literally seeing Jesus because those Jews are long dead too.

 

[Grailhunter]

Well I don't worry about all that. I'm not going to literally see Jesus. That's how you choose to believe. I also don't worry what scholars or theologians think about the NWT. I read what scholars say about the NWT. They all don't believe as you say. Theologians and scholars are experts and when it comes to experts they all never agree. There will always be some who disagree.
As for religions or denominations concerning Jesus Christ why pick one that denies the Only Begotten Son of God is the Word that became human in the likeness of the first man Adam. Christendom denies that the Only Begotten Son of God became human. They also deny that the Only Begotten Son sacrificed his human body, his human life because they don't believe that Jesus was resurrected a life giving spirit. So the ones who are in danger of losing their eternal lives are those who believe like you Grailhunter

Son of God and son of man is what most believe. But He was more than human....humans are not capable of what He did.
You can't kill a God...of course it was His human body that died.
The Bible says... “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING PERSON.” The last Adam was a life-giving spirit.....So who do you think does not believe that?

The Son of God was a full-fledged God, from start to finish. That is the biggest issue, you denying the deity of Christ.
We can get into not believing in Hell and all that good rot and what Covenant the Jehovah's Witnesses think they are in.
And it was not enough to come up with a twisted heresy, but to re-write the Bible to support it was so obviously a deception.
They huddle together in buildings with no windows to weave their twisted theology. they brainwash people so badly that professional intervention services are needed to rescue people from it. Seriously messed up!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Wrong, Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam. Just as the first Adam wasn't a God-Man, neither was the last Adam, Jesus. Those of you who call Jesus a God-Man denys he came as a human in the likeness of Adam because you say he came more than a human.
Adam, who lost everlasting life in human perfection, bequeathed sin and death to his offspring (Ro 5:12), and Adam’s descendants therefore came under condemnation to death. If humankind was to regain the opportunity to enjoy everlasting life, then, in harmony with a legal principle that Jehovah later included in the Mosaic Law, namely, that like must go for like, exact atonement would be required for what had been lost by Adam.—De 19:21.

As used in the Bible, “atonement” has the basic thought of “cover” or “exchange,” and that which is given in exchange for, or as a “cover” for, another thing must be its duplicate or equivalent Thus, anything making satisfaction for something that is lost or forfeited must be “at one” with that other thing, completely covering it as its exact equivalent. There must be no overlapping and no coming short. No imperfect human could provide such a covering or atonement to restore perfect human life to any or all of mankind. (Ps 49:7, 8) To make adequate atonement for what was forfeited by Adam, a sin offering having the precise value of a perfect human life would have to be provided.
This is what was ransomed a perfect human life that's what Jesus sacrificed, not a God-Man but a perfect sinless human man is what was lost and an offspring of perfect sinless humans so Jesus sacrificed a perfect human man, not a God-man.

Phil. 2 proves you wrong! Jesus own words prove you wrong! He was God made flesh or Emmanuel! John the apostle declared that Jesus was equal to His Father as well! Stop listening to a man made organizations twisting of teh Scriptures.

As for atonement? In the OT it was used as covering. It is used only once in the NT and it means reconciled!

OT siuns were covered by the atonements made- IN the NT when one trusts the death and physical resurrection of Jesus- their sins are removed!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Acts skippers are scripturally naughty.

Bye Bye yo are on ignore

 

[justbyfaith]

You like to lie about people and call them names just because they exercised their right to disagree with you.

What lies have I told? And what names have I called you?

I said that your position supplies the idea of agnosticism because it denies the veracity of God's word and/or the fact that it is sufficient; in that you said that we do not have the inspired word of God today.

but when they judge and call people names and do the same with the religious organization they belong to because they disagree with you, you show who you really are. You're about hate and that's all you are about.

I have not called you any names, friend; and neither have I called the Watchtower Society any names.

I'm not going to literally see Jesus.

Really? If that is the case, then you are not a recipient of the promise that is found in 1 John 3:2-3 (kjv).

 

[Wrangler]

What lies have I told?

I believe you believe what is not true. So, it may not technically be a lie. A common example is reading words into Scripture that are not there, like 'and his successors' or 'God, the Son.'

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

What lies have I told? And what names have I called you?

I said that your position supplies the idea of agnosticism because it denies the veracity of God's word and/or the fact that it is sufficient; in that you said that we do not have the inspired word of God today.

That's the lie I believe, that you think I believe in a agnostic religion, simply because I said we have copies of the inspired writings and not the original inspired writings. I also believe the Bible to be very sufficient no matter how much you think I don't, more so than you because as I said you and those like you are the ones that don't believe that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who was sent to the world of mankind. That's what the NWT says and what I believe, you and those like you are saying we have to believe that the Only Begotten Son of God came to the world of mankind as more than a human and not in the likeness of the first man Adam. The first man Adam wasn't a God-Man, so the last Adam who was Jesus wasn't a God-Man. It wasn't a God-Man that was lost when the Adam sinned, it was a perfect sinless human that was lost.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Phil. 2 proves you wrong! Jesus own words prove you wrong! He was God made flesh or Emmanuel! John the apostle declared that Jesus was equal to His Father as well! Stop listening to a man made organizations twisting of teh Scriptures.

As for atonement? In the OT it was used as covering. It is used only once in the NT and it means reconciled!

OT siuns were covered by the atonements made- IN the NT when one trusts the death and physical resurrection of Jesus- their sins are removed!

You bringing up Philippians chapter 2 trying to prove what you believe is the diety of Jesus Christ, shows just how far you'll go to twist scripture to prove what you believe.
You see the Watchtower, the Jehovah Witnesses have always said that Jesus is a god, not that he is the True God. Philippians 2:5,6 is saying Jesus is a god, not that he is The Only True God. Why, because these scriptures in Philippians 2:5,6 is telling us to think the same way that Jesus thought who although he was in God's form he never thought himself to be equal to God. These scriptures are teaching us to be humble by following Jesus example of humbleness.
You see how this scripture says that Jesus was in Gods form. That's not saying he is God, that's saying he is in a form like the True God. Also this scripture is saying that although the Only Begotten Son of God is in Gods form he didn't think himself equal to The True God. Again Jesus isn't saying he is God.

 

[Grailhunter]

Now I do not believe the Taze Russell's misunderstanding of the Trinity caused Him to come up with a blasphemous religion but.... God in the Old Testament....and....God in the NT makes a lot more sense, since they took God's name out of the OT and replaced it with God or Lord over 6,000 times. So as you can see people use the word God as an actual name. So then one name...singular in the OT and God singular in the NT. What is the difference, the singular God in the NT has three names. God is a position like a President....a designation....not a name.

This is one of the ways that the one God formula for the Trinity has skewed the meaning of so many scriptures.
God Almighty Supreme Creator God and Father, Yahweh
God the Son and Savior and Lord of the world, Yeshua.
God the Holy Spirit....no name....but still a God.
We can call them a Godhead...a Unity....the Trinity...but we cannot call them one.
If you do, there will be a good part of the Bible you will not understand.

 

[justbyfaith]

You see the Watchtower, the Jehovah Witnesses have always said that Jesus is a god, not that he is the True God.

So, He is a false god?

Why then believe in Him?

Jhn 6:47, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

 

[justbyfaith]

We can call them a Godhead...a Unity....the Trinity...but we cannot call them one.

If they are all God, they are the same God; for there is only one God (James 2:19).

 

[Grailhunter]

If they are all God, they are the same God; for there is only one God (James 2:19).

Like I said you cannot understand much of the Bible thinking that way.

 

[justbyfaith]

Like I said you cannot understand much of the Bible thinking that way.

I find no problem understanding the Bible thinking that way.

 

[Grailhunter]

I find no problem understanding the Bible thinking that way.

Your understanding is skewed because if it.