Where does the Bible say...

[BarneyFife]

And if YOU believe that other people are responsible for YOUR salvation or damnation - then YOU don't know God's Word . . .

There are varying degrees of responsibility. We love to fool ourselves, but God sees things as they really are.

But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’ (Ezekiel 33:6)

And the echo is heard down through the ages:

"Am I my brother's keeper?" (Genesis 4:9)

 

[Paul Christensen]

This is a lie and you know it. Practically no one in true Protestantism believes this. Some of my most valued and devout friends are Godly Catholics. It's the accuser of the brethren that points the finger at people. Calling a belief system to account is labeled "offense." It's as old a game as it was with Wycliffe and Hus.

So, calling out a belief system that bases one's consent for salvation is on a pagan goddess called "The Queen of Heaven", tarted up to look like the Virgin Mary to deceive people by putting Christ in second place to this demonised pagan deity, is offense?

 

[Paul Christensen]

There are varying degrees of responsibility. We love to fool ourselves, but God sees things as they really are.

But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’ (Ezekiel 33:6)

And the echo is heard down through the ages:

"Am I my brother's keeper?" (Genesis 4:9)

Therefore, my warning to those who worship Mary are actually worshiping a pagan goddess, is acting like a true watchman to ensure that God won't require the blood of those who end up in hell because of their dependence on a pagan entity instead of on Christ, on my hands.

 

[BarneyFife]

Lying about what Catholics teach makes you an anti-Catholic.
Congratulations.

Thank you. Unless I'm merely mistaken, which would make you an accuser of the brethren, an activity born of the spirit of the adversary of souls (Revelation 12:10). I forgive you, of course, because I know that you know not what you do.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Barna Research Group estimates that roughly 5% of any denomination are actually and conscientiously devout. I'm not against any person. I am vehemently opposed to any deception that bars the way to Christ, in Spirit and in truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, calling out a belief system that bases one's consent for salvation is on a pagan goddess called "The Queen of Heaven", tarted up to look like the Virgin Mary to deceive people by putting Christ in second place to this demonised pagan deity, is offense?

Mary's queenship doesn't detract from Christ's kingship in ANY way. Nor does it put Him in "2nd place" - any more than Bahsheba's queenship put her son Solomon's kingship in "2nd place".

The Davidic Kingdom is modeled after the Kingdom of Heaven. In the Davidic Kingdom, the wife of the King was NOT the Queen – but rather, his mother was elevated to that station. This honor was bestowed upon the mothers of the Kings of Israel but only to those in the line of David.
1 Kings 2:19-20
So Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him about Adonijah; the king got up to meet her and bowed before her; he then sat down on his throne; a seat was brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down on his right.

Jesus Christ is the heir of David. He is the fulfillment of the covenant promises made to David in 2 Samuel 7:16; 23:5, and repeated to Mary in Luke 1:26-36. Mary’s son rules from the Kingdom of the heavenly Jerusalem. It is fitting that His mother should enjoy the same role that other Davidic Queen mothers enjoyed - that is the royal office of the heavenly Queen, as we see her in Rev. 12:1.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thank you. Unless I'm merely mistaken, which would make you an accuser of the brethren, an activity born of the spirit of the adversary of souls (Revelation 12:10). I forgive you, of course, because I know that you know not what you do.

Sooooo, YOU got caught in a LIE - and now I'm the "accuser".

Interesting . . . hypocrisy ias ALWAYS interesting

 

[BreadOfLife]

And your imagination borders on hallucination.

TRANSLATION:
"Oops - I got caught again . . ."

 

[BreadOfLife]

There are varying degrees of responsibility. We love to fool ourselves, but God sees things as they really are.

But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’ (Ezekiel 33:6)

And the echo is heard down through the ages:

"Am I my brother's keeper?" (Genesis 4:9)

Yes - God will deal with those who lead others astray.
But He will ALSO deal woth those who ALLOWED themselves to be led astray.

Anyway - back to what we were originally talkning about before YOU went on a tangent - Papal Infallibility has NOTHING to do with his personal opinions. It's about what he teaches as binding on the Church.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Mary's queenship doesn't detract from Christ's kingship in ANY way. Nor does it put Him in "2nd place" - any more than Bahsheba's queenship put her son Solomon's kingship in "2nd place".

The Davidic Kingdom is modeled after the Kingdom of Heaven. In the Davidic Kingdom, the wife of the King was NOT the Queen – but rather, his mother was elevated to that station. This honor was bestowed upon the mothers of the Kings of Israel but only to those in the line of David.
1 Kings 2:19-20
So Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him about Adonijah; the king got up to meet her and bowed before her; he then sat down on his throne; a seat was brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down on his right.

Jesus Christ is the heir of David. He is the fulfillment of the covenant promises made to David in 2 Samuel 7:16; 23:5, and repeated to Mary in Luke 1:26-36. Mary’s son rules from the Kingdom of the heavenly Jerusalem. It is fitting that His mother should enjoy the same role that other Davidic Queen mothers enjoyed - that is the royal office of the heavenly Queen, as we see her in Rev. 12:1.

But the Mary that is worshiped as the Queen of Heaven is not the real Virgin Mary at all, but is a pagan goddess tarted up to look like Mary. This is what a deception is - to fool people into believing they are worshiping a truly divine figure as the mother of God. A trapper is not going to place the trap in plain view of the bird. Trout anglers wear camouflaged clothing so the trout cannot spot the angler on the river bank. Satan has set up a whole fraudulent, deceptive, counterfeit Church and made it appear to be the one established by Christ 2000 years ago, and through it is deceiving and fooling countless numbers of people into thinking they are worshiping God in the true Church; but in reality they don't know they are treading on the rotten branches that cover the bottomless pit.

Why do you think there was such opposition during the Reformation against having the Scriptures published in the common languages of the people instead of Latin, which hardly any ordinary person understood? As soon as the Scriptures appeared in the languages of the common people, the deception was revealed, and people saw that the paganised so-called "true" Church was nothing like the early church of Acts.

It is like a dishonest accountant in a company embezzling funds. He doesn't want any other account to see the books because if an honest accountant saw the books, his deception would be exposed. Most crooked accountants are exposed when they get sick and a replacement account comes in and discovers the irregularities in the firm's books.

That is why the paganised Church did everything it could to stop the Bible being published in the language of the common people, because it knew that as soon as people saw the truth in the Scriptures, it's deception would be exposed.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Yes - God will deal with those who lead others astray.
But He will ALSO deal woth those who ALLOWED themselves to be led astray.

Anyway - back to what we were originally talkning about before YOU went on a tangent - Papal Infallibility has NOTHING to do with his personal opinions. It's about what he teaches as binding on the Church.

The Pope is a total fraud and nothing he says, either personal or as official teaching, has any weight for genuine believers in Christ. He's just an ordinary sinner like all the rest of us, but has a fancy title and dresses up in religious vestments and conducts himself as if he is the true representative of Christ. He will end up in hell along with all the other godless popes that went before him.

 

[mjrhealth]

Hello old friend! Good to see you back here again!

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." I Cor 11:3

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular" I Cor 12:27

The Church, ,the Body. I believe is that woman over which man is the head and Christ is the Head of the man. The woman, as the Church, includes males and females in the flesh who have become or are becoming part of the Body of Christ. None of them are the Head!

The Church consists of the silent part of the Body of Christ [physical men and women] headed up by the Head, which is Jesus. Jesus is ready to take his place, to rest himself as the Head on His Body, which should be you and me.

But before he was ready he said,

"...The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Matt 8:20

The resting place of His Head is His Body, which is, or should be, you and me!

The woman should indeed remain silent while the anointed One, the one preaching or teaching or otherwise ministering is putting forth the Word and/or blessings of God to those who are paying attention...hopefully with ears to hear:

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matt 11:15

How does one speak when God is silent, and so HE has being, but what has mens "churches"to do with God. God never created religion, men did, as God said to Moses,

Exo_8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

But the Pharaohs of this world wont let Gods people go, neither will they show them how to follow Christ alone. The time has come for Gods people to cross the Jordan into the promised land just as the ISraelites did, but remember there was a whole generation that didnt make it, because they murmured and grumbled against God.

Religion is like Egypt, and just like the Israelites, many prefer to remain in Egypt than to wander in the wilderness, being led by the Spirit and walking in faith.

 

[BreadOfLife]

But the Mary that is worshiped as the Queen of Heaven is not the real Virgin Mary at all, but is a pagan goddess tarted up to look like Mary. This is what a deception is - to fool people into believing they are worshiping a truly divine figure as the mother of God. A trapper is not going to place the trap in plain view of the bird. Trout anglers wear camouflaged clothing so the trout cannot spot the angler on the river bank. Satan has set up a whole fraudulent, deceptive, counterfeit Church and made it appear to be the one established by Christ 2000 years ago, and through it is deceiving and fooling countless numbers of people into thinking they are worshiping God in the true Church; but in reality they don't know they are treading on the rotten branches that cover the bottomless pit.

Worship of anybody or anything other than God is strictly prohibited by the Church - and HAS been since christ built it 2000 years ago.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church explicitly states:
ARTICLE 1
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.3
It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."4
I. "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"
2084 God makes himself known by recalling his all-powerful loving, and liberating action in the history of the one he addresses: "I brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." The first word contains the first commandment of the Law: "You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him. . . . You shall not go after other gods."5 God's first call and just demand is that man accept him and worship him.

There is really no sense in making up lies here - so consider yoursaelf DEBUNKED . . .

Why do you think there was such opposition during the Reformation against having the Scriptures published in the common languages of the people instead of Latin, which hardly any ordinary person understood? As soon as the Scriptures appeared in the languages of the common people, the deception was revealed, and people saw that the paganised so-called "true" Church was nothing like the early church of Acts.

It is like a dishonest accountant in a company embezzling funds. He doesn't want any other account to see the books because if an honest accountant saw the books, his deception would be exposed. Most crooked accountants are exposed when they get sick and a replacement account comes in and discovers the irregularities in the firm's books.

That is why the paganised Church did everything it could to stop the Bible being published in the language of the common people, because it knew that as soon as people saw the truth in the Scriptures, it's deception would be exposed.

This is one of my FAVORITE anti-Catholic lies because the ignorance it takes to repeat it is REALLY astounding.
Time for a little history lesson . . .

First of all - there was no opposition to having the Scriptures published DURING the Reformation - as the printing press had bveen around for about 100 years. Before that - Bibles were HANDWRITTEN, took YEARS to produce a single copy - and were really expensive and difficult to come by. For this reason, they were chained to pulpits for protective reasons.

Now - up until the 19th century - as much as 85-90% of the population was functionally ILLITERATE and had ZERO use for a copy of the Bible. For the most part - only the rich and educated could read anyway. It was among this group that spurious and heretical copies of the Bible began to be produced because some people were rich enough to have a copy made - but didn't have the scholarly linguistic resources to properly translate the original languages.

Now, we had some major problems in the Church because of this. In the 13th century - 300 years BEFORE the Protestant Revolt - the Council of Toulouse forbade the (handwritten) reproduction of Bibles because of what was happening. After the invention of the printing press - Protestants began to argue about deleteing Books from the NT, as they had done with the 7 Books of the OT. Books like, James, Hebrews, Jude and Revelation were on the chopping block by men like Luther and Calvin. Being the guardian of the Scriptures - this is yet another reaso why the Church was against the private translating of Scripture.
By the grace of God - cooler heads prevailed and this editing of Books stopped.

If it hadn't - YOUR Bibles would be a LOT thinner than they already are . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Pope is a total fraud and nothing he says, either personal or as official teaching, has any weight for genuine believers in Christ. He's just an ordinary sinner like all the rest of us, but has a fancy title and dresses up in religious vestments and conducts himself as if he is the true representative of Christ. He will end up in hell along with all the other godless popes that went before him.

And in that ONE statement - you show yourself to be an agent of Satan.
Only an agent of Satan would put himself in God's place by pronouncing eternal judgement on another's soul.

Good luck with that when He's judginbg YOUR soul . . .

 

[Paul Christensen]

How does one speak when God is silent, and so HE has being, but what has mens "churches"to do with God. God never created religion, men did, as God said to Moses,

Exo_8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

But the Pharaohs of this world wont let Gods people go, neither will they show them how to follow Christ alone. The time has come for Gods people to cross the Jordan into the promised land just as the ISraelites did, but remember there was a whole generation that didnt make it, because they murmured and grumbled against God.

Religion is like Egypt, and just like the Israelites, many prefer to remain in Egypt than to wander in the wilderness, being led by the Spirit and walking in faith.

Egypt is often seen in the Bible as this world as opposed to God. The Scripture that comes to mind is: "Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help, who rely on horses, who trust in the multitude of their chariots and in the great strength of their horsemen, but do not look to the Holy One of Israel, or seek help from the LORD. Yet he too is wise and can bring disaster; he does not take back his words" (Isaiah 31:1). This is a rebuke to those who trust in the world's natural ways of dealing with spiritual issues.

Bearing this in mind, you seem to be saying that today's churches are run by "Pharoahs" who are aligned to the world's way of doing things, instead of relying on God in the person of the Holy Spirit to teach and guide the people.

 

[mjrhealth]

Egypt is often seen in the Bible as this world as opposed to God. The Scripture that comes to mind is: "Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help, who rely on horses, who trust in the multitude of their chariots and in the great strength of their horsemen, but do not look to the Holy One of Israel, or seek help from the LORD. Yet he too is wise and can bring disaster; he does not take back his words" (Isaiah 31:1). This is a rebuke to those who trust in the world's natural ways of dealing with spiritual issues.

Bearing this in mind, you seem to be saying that today's churches are run by "Pharoahs" who are aligned to the world's way of doing things, instead of relying on God in the person of the Holy Spirit to teach and guide the people.

Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

(Exo 9:13) And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

(Exo 9:14) For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.


We have a choice to Serve God or men...Pharoah.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

(Exo 9:13) And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

(Exo 9:14) For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.


We have a choice to Serve God or men...Pharoah.

The Scripture says that if we are friends with the world, we are no friends of God.

 

[WaterSong]

The problem is that the church that subscribes to the Council of Trent is a paganised, fraudulent cult, infested with homosexuality at the highest levels. There will be JWs and Mormons who will get to heaven before this crowd.

I think we can always pray they find their way out of the false church and into the arms of Christ while there is still time. Sadly, many are indoctrinated as children. They're therefore hard wired to believe all that they've been told. And fear of losing their salvation for non-compliance with church doctrine keeps them in the church.
Hubby was born into a Catholic family. His mom was very active in the church. He also attended Catholic school till graduation. He was unusual in that he'd question what the nuns were teaching him when it came to scriptures, or Catechism. They weren't fond of that of course.
He left the thinking the church instilled when he was a teen. But that's not usual for many Catholics.

By the way, love your profile picture. The cat looks like the twin sister of my now departed precious kitty named, Princess.
She had eyes as green as emeralds. And claws as sharp as knives. She was the overseer and protector of any other kitty I may have had. Even if they played she'd watch over them. If it got too rough there was Princess acting as referee.
I miss her still.

 

[BarneyFife]

Papal Infallibility has NOTHING to do with his personal opinions.

Yeah, just like Donald Trump's tweets have nothing to do with his fitness to rule.

 

[BarneyFife]

Sooooo, YOU got caught in a LIE - and now I'm the "accuser".

Interesting . . . hypocrisy ias ALWAYS interesting

Translation: "I know you are but what am I?"