Mother of James?

[Marymog]

I am telling you how to be saved. Others will tell you same things. Only perhaps not those who have taught you wrong things.

Sooooo I am supposed to read what you write on how to be saved and not read what Scripture writes on how to be saved???? Your theory is very interesting....

Others have told me but you say those others have taught me wrong things.....Why is it what I have been taught is wrong but what you have been taught is right???? I thought if I was being guided by the Holy Spirit I wouldn't be wrong???? Oh....wait a minute...I am not being guided by the Holy Spirit but YOU are????

Your theory needs more work...

 

[Marymog]

These are not 'my theories' Mary. They are the beliefs of all true born again believers - of which there are a good few on this forum.

Well, if what you are saying is not a theory then what you are saying must be facts.

Soooooo the fact is that your own Protestant brothers/sisters disagree with you. Sooooo how is it that everyone that believes the same as you are "true born again believers" but anyone that disagrees with you are not???? What if you and another born again believer agree on 10 things that one MUST do to be saved and then....oh let's say.... 5 years later that born again beliver disagrees with you on 2 out of those 10 because the Holy Spirit finally revealed the Truth to them as they grew in their spiritual life. Are they then no longer a born again believer??? Who decides what "beliefs" all true born again believers must believe to be saved??? You and your friends that meet in your basement???

Your theories are very interesting!!!

 

[Pearl]

I was "born again" the bible way. By baptism with water and Spirit......Just like Scripture says and Christianity has taught for 2,000 years. His promise is for you and our children.....just like scripture says.

My dear Mary I'm sorry but you are in error. You cannot be born again as a baby you must choose to be born again of your own free will.

And yes the promises of God are for our children so long as they choose to come to him. I know Catholics who have been born again as adults and baptised and I have Catholics in my own family who do not know Jesus in a personal way which can ony be through re-birth.

 

[Pearl]

Ummmm....how can you know Jesus without Scripture??? They are not mutually exclusive....Your theory makes no sense.

Scripture can teach you about Jesus, just the fanzines can tell you about celebs or the articles in the press can tell us about our Queen Elizabeth. But if we went and knocked on their doors they wouldn't know us because we don't know them even though we know about them.

It's the same with Jesus, knowing ABOUT him isn't enough, we have to enter into a personal relationship with him so that we become part of God's family and an heir with Jesus. Only members of the family can be admitted into the Kingdom of God.

 

[Pearl]

Soooooo the fact is that your own Protestant brothers/sisters disagree with you.

What makes you think that Mary? Every true and born again Christian I have ever met agree on all the things I've said to you. There may be some difference of opinion on other matters but the truth is there is agreement in how we are re-born.

but anyone that disagrees with you are not

Anyone who disagrees with what I've told you disagrees with the Holy Spirit.

What if you and another born again believer agree on 10 things that one MUST do to be saved

There are not ten things to do to be saved; it isn't that complicated.

Who decides what "beliefs" all true born again believers must believe to be saved??? You and your friends that meet in your basement???

Ha, I don't have a basement. What I have said to you I have learned through mainstream Christianity and we didn't decide it. i would say the same things to anybody who was asking how to be born again. And all the Christians in my life would say the same things. Religion is nowhere near as good or exciting as a personal relationship with the Living God through his son Jesus.

When everything else is stripped away it only Jesus who matters. He is the main thing. He should be the focus of our spiritual lives. Not the church, not the bible, not our prayers but Jesus himself. Of course the other things matter but they are secondary to Jesus. Be passionate about Him. Seek Him out. Love Him. Talk to Him. Receive His gift of life to you this Christmas Mary. And know a new you in the New Year. Be free. Enjoy Him.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Lk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation! And she is his mother

- Okay, now I know that you're just messin' with me. It is impossible to conclude that mother Mary is the focus of Divinity. Come on now! lol

Luke 2:25-33 NLT - "At that time there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon. He was righteous and devout and was eagerly waiting for the Messiah to come and rescue Israel. The Holy Spirit was upon him 26 and had revealed to him that he would not die until he had seen the Lord's Messiah. 27 That day the Spirit led him to the Temple. So when Mary and Joseph came to present the baby Jesus to the Lord as the law required, 28 Simeon was there. He took the child in his arms and praised God, saying, 29 "Sovereign Lord, now let your servant die in peace, as you have promised. 30 I have seen your salvation, 31 which you have prepared for all people. 32 He is a light to reveal God to the nations, and he is the glory of your people Israel!" 33 Jesus' parents were amazed at what was being said about him."

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry but you are wrong. We are not born again at baptism. Choosing Jesus has to first; choosing him of our own free will not at the behest of a parent. Once we have chosen Jesus then we should be baptised and also receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We need to be born of the Spirit before we are baptised, If we aren't then the wetting is meaningless.

That's NOT what the Bible says.

Nicodemus asked Jesus how qa man ius born again. Jesus answered him:
John 3:5
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born qof WATER and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
We are born of the Spirt AT Baptism. Peter reiterates this fact:

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

THEN. he goes on to reassure the crownd that this ALSO applies to their children:
Acts 2:39
For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

In the OT - 8-day-old babies were brought intohe Covenant with God by their circumsicion.
A "Covenant", by definition is a solemns AGREEMENT between 2 parties. They entered this agreement by the faith of their parents - and they were raised in that faith.

The SAME is true for the circumsicion of Christ, which is BAPTISM.

 

[Pearl]

That's NOT what the Bible says.

Nicodemus asked Jesus how qa man ius born again. Jesus answered him:
John 3:5
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born qof WATER and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
We are born of the Spirt AT Baptism. Peter reiterates this fact:

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

THEN. he goes on to reassure the crownd that this ALSO applies to their children:
Acts 2:39
For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

In the OT - 8-day-old babies were brought intohe Covenant with God by their circumsicion.
A "Covenant", by definition is a solemns AGREEMENT between 2 parties. They entered this agreement by the faith of their parents - and they were raised in that faith.

The SAME is true for the circumsicion of Christ, which is BAPTISM.

I know you will stick to your church's misleading teaching so there's not a lot of point re-hashing all the old arguments for and against.

 

[Marymog]

My dear Mary I'm sorry but you are in error. You cannot be born again as a baby you must choose to be born again of your own free will.

And yes the promises of God are for our children so long as they choose to come to him. I know Catholics who have been born again as adults and baptised and I have Catholics in my own family who do not know Jesus in a personal way which can ony be through re-birth.

Fascinating.....

 

[Marymog]

What makes you think that Mary? Every true and born again Christian I have ever met agree on all the things I've said to you. There may be some difference of opinion on other matters but the truth is there is agreement in how we are re-born.

Ummmm.....because the FACT is some Protestants agree with Catholic and Eastern Orthodox doctrine which is opposite of what your men have taught you.

Re-Born = baptism

 

[Pearl]

Pearl, I could not locate your answer, if you answered at all. If you did, can you cite the post #, or reply with an answer, please?

I answered - The ones that are in my bible.

 

[Pearl]

Ummmm.....because the FACT is some Protestants agree with Catholic and Eastern Orthodox doctrine which is opposite of what your men have taught you.

Re-Born = baptism

Well I'm sorry you can't be more open minded Mary. I would love for you to 'see the light' and I pray the one day God will show you.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Well I'm sorry you can't be more open-minded Mary. I would love for you to 'see the light' and I pray the one day God will show you.

Below is what happened to me about a little more than four years ago . . .

2 Corinthians 3:14 NIV - "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away."

When the Veil is removed, believe me . . . a person knows it! I mean, how do we go from having Satan as our Father to the Spirit being our Father? How do we miss Transforming from having the Mind of Satan to the Mind of Christ?

;)

 

[Pearl]

Fascinating.....

Good, I'm so glad you think so. It's a start, a move in the right direction.

I have had friends who were brought up as Catholics, married in the Catholic church and then later found Jesus in the way I have described to you. They went to their priest and told them they had come to Jesus and been born again and their priest was overjoyed for them and blessed them as they left the Catholic church behind and joined a new fellowship. They were passionate about Jesus in the way I have described to you. On the other hand there are three ladies in my family who are Catholics but never go to church, don't want to talk about Jesus but at least one of them believes that her dead parents talk to her and guide her. She spent last Christmas day with us and wept when we told her about Jesus and how he had changed our lives. And before lockdown she came to my church twice. I have hope for her that she will remember what we said and choose Jesus.

 

[Pearl]

Below is what happened to me about a little more than four years ago . . .

2 Corinthians 3:14 NIV - "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away."

When the Veil is removed, believe me . . . a person knows it! I mean, how do we go from having Satan as our Father to the Spirit being our Father? How do we miss Transforming from having the Mind of Satan to the Mind of Christ?

;)

Awesome, and you experienced this? I felt like I could see everything more clearly and that colours were brighter and I felt lighter and cleaner on the inside.

 

[theefaith]

I would say he is not saved, no one is until the end of your life, Matt 24:13


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

 

[theefaith]

Where does the Bible say the church’s members are merely born again believers?


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[DNB]

WRONG.

Paul never specifies which teachings he is talking about. He tell his readers to hold fast to WHATEVER they were taught by the Church.

There is NO expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15.

The meaning of the word tradition, when used in current-day theological circles, refers to non-Scriptural sources. For example, the Midrash, Talmud ( Gemarah, Mishna). This is what Jesus was denouncing, when the Pharisees were indignant that he didn't wash his hands before eating.
You are also guilty of adhering to that type of tradition, doctrines made by men.

Paul used the word tradition in a different sense, or a more authorized sense - it was handed by either eye-witnesses,, or those who were instructed by them (Luke, Timothy, Titus, Silas, Barnabas, etc..), Centuries have passed between the time of the Apostolic period, and when the Roman church established the majority of their doctrines - fallaciously claiming that they were received by apostolic succession.

 

[DNB]

You believe in a doctrine about Scripture - that Scripture itself rejects.

That is nothing but a recipe for disaster . . .

Well then, is there any part of Scripture that I accept (current canon), that you don't? For example, you believe in the entirety of Scripture that I believe in, I just don't believe in all the sources that you accept as authoritative. Thus, at a minimum, you agree with the principle of Tota Scriptura (Scriptura being the Bible).