Mother of James?

[2nd Timothy Group]

no woman can be an apostle! No one can be a self-proclaimed apostles! Only the apostles have authority to send other apostles and apostle means to be sent Jn 20:21-22 act 1

Surely, you aren't going to spend your entire life correcting every little thing . . . are you?

Take a break once in a while. :)

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

...then why in the flippin' world, do you keep quoting from it?????
It is your sole source to prove you Mariology. Just denounce the document and all the nonsense that it promulgates, and start revering God and His son, and no one else!

No need to get upset. Just walk away.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Again simpleton, do not take a single phrase from Scripture and create an entire doctrine around it. Hermeneutics 101. Obviously, you think that you have more than one in this case, but they are all ambiguous. Simple lesson, when one must perform etymology on a word, it is because, for the life of them, they cannot find an explicit statement.
Past, future or present participles, in such a context, have absolutely no bearing on such a broad principle. All of the hairs on our heads were counted prior to our existence, God knows exactly who will repent and who won't before the beginning of time, .... Thus, such tenses and principles are used broadly throughout Scripture. Read Israel's history and listen to the exclamations that God proclaimed about them - they all do not apply in a literal sense '..Israel, in you, I have found no iniquity...' (Numbers 23:21) or 'Israel I have known before time began..' (Jeremiah 31:3). You extrapolated such a radical conclusion, from such a peculiar event. You need to remain sober and show some restraint, instead of jumping to irrational and blasphemous conclusions from such a pathetic testimony.

Careful. You are treading on grounds that are reserved for God alone. No name-calling . . . at all.

Matthew 5:22 NLT - "But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell."

 

[BreadOfLife]

Again simpleton, do not take a single phrase from Scripture and create an entire doctrine around it. Hermeneutics 101. Obviously, you think that you have more than one in this case, but they are all ambiguous. Simple lesson, when one must perform etymology on a word, it is because, for the life of them, they cannot find an explicit statement.
Past, future or present participles, in such a context, have absolutely no bearing on such a broad principle. All of the hairs on our heads were counted prior to our existence, God knows exactly who will repent and who won't before the beginning of time, .... Thus, such tenses and principles are used broadly throughout Scripture. Read Israel's history and listen to the exclamations that God proclaimed about them - they all do not apply in a literal sense '..Israel, in you, I have found no iniquity...' (Numbers 23:21) or 'Israel I have known before time began..' (Jeremiah 31:3). You extrapolated such a radical conclusion, from such a peculiar event. You need to remain sober and show some restraint, instead of jumping to irrational and blasphemous conclusions from such a pathetic testimony.

THIS, coming from a person who believes in the completely NON-Scriptural doctrinal invention of Sola Scriptura . . .

 

[DNB]

THIS, coming from a person who believes in the completely NON-Scriptural doctrinal invention of Sola Scriptura . . .

Yes, that's the difference between you & I, I prefer an authorized source of information, due to the holy nature of the topic. Whereas you, are rather promiscuous as to where you derive your alleged truth.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Yes, that's the difference between you & me, I prefer an authorized source of information, due to the holy nature of the topic. Whereas you, are rather promiscuous as to where you derive your alleged truth.

John 13:34-35 NLT - "So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples."

We need to take this passage seriously. Please. If we don't, then we are proving to the world that we are not Disciples of Christ.

 

[farouk]

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

@Pearl Great verse there!

 

[farouk]

If she refused to have sex with him she would have been unnatural and perhaps ungodly as she refused to submit to her husband's natural desires.

From back, @Pearl It would have been wrong not to do it.

 

[Marymog]

The bishops of whatever faith have no right whatsoever to make up things that aren't in the bible.

Hi Pearl,

I understand it is difficult for you to allow any religious leader to have authority over you or what you believe. Especially men who wear robes with pointy hats (bishops). You feel you have just as much ability/authority to read Scripture and interpret it as the pointy hats club!!

Would you please list for me the letters that you consider the inherent word of God? There are 27 on my list.

Curious Mary

 

[Pearl]

Hi Pearl,

I understand it is difficult for you to allow any religious leader to have authority over you or what you believe. Especially men who wear robes with pointy hats (bishops). You feel you have just as much ability/authority to read Scripture and interpret it as the pointy hats club!!

Would you please list for me the letters that you consider the inherent word of God? There are 27 on my list.

Curious Mary

The ones that are in my bible. And yes I do feel I have the authority through the Holy Spirit living within me and with his help and guidance to read and interpret scripture. This ability is not the sole right of bishops in pointy hats. This is what I have been taught right from the start of my new life in Jesus which was 43 years ago today. When was your spiritual 'birthday' Mary; the day you came of your own free will to Jesus?

The church fellowship I belong to is based on the early church as described in Acts which met in homes and didn't have religious trappings.

Acts 2:42-47
The Believers Form a Community:

All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord’s Supper, and to prayer. A deep sense of awe came over them all, and the apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders. And all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had. They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need. They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity — all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people. And each day the Lord added to their fellowship those who were being saved.

 

[theefaith]

Me? Reverence for Mary? If I should have Holy Reverence for any human, it would be John the Baptist. Below is why . . .

Matthew 11:11 NLT - "I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is!"

But if you want to accuse someone of not holding reverence for Mary, it would be Jesus Himself.

Mark 3:31-35 NLT - "Then Jesus' mother and brothers came to see him. They stood outside and sent word for him to come out and talk with them. 32 There was a crowd sitting around Jesus, and someone said, "Your mother and your brothers are outside asking for you." 33 Jesus replied, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?" 34 Then he looked at those around him and said, "Look, these are my mother and brothers. 35 Anyone who does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."

Scripture tells me what I should think about humans. It also says the following:

1 Corinthians 1:12-13 NLT - "Some of you are saying, "I am a follower of Paul." Others are saying, "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Peter," or "I follow only Christ." 13 Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!"

Scripture is clear about worshipping humans, and that the only one to receive worship is God Himself.

Matthew 4:8-10 NLT - "Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 "I will give it all to you," he said, "if you will kneel down and worship me." 10 "Get out of here, Satan," Jesus told him. "For the Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him."

If you want to worship Mary . . . I don't advise it. Based on clear Scripture, I recommend that you discontinue teaching others to worship human beings.

I meant reverence for God!

 

[theefaith]

Surely, you aren't going to spend your entire life correcting every little thing . . . are you?

Take a break once in a while. :)

Truth matters

 

[BreadOfLife]

For crying out loud, BOL, Paul was referring to revelation that he directly received from Christ, this was the tradition that he taught and intended to be handed down with fidelity and earnestness. The Apostles taught what they received from either a first-hand account from Jesus, or by revelation. This is the tradition, the oral transmission, and the yet to be manuscript transmission, that the first century disciples were referring to.
You seem to be well informed, but you're horrible at drawing conclusions from what you have read?

WRONG.

Paul never specifies which teachings he is talking about. He tell his readers to hold fast to WHATEVER they were taught by the Church.

There is NO expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15.

 

[Marymog]

The ones that are in my bible. And yes I do feel I have the authority through the Holy Spirit living within me and with his help and guidance to read and interpret scripture. This ability is not the sole right of bishops in pointy hats. This is what I have been taught right from the start of my new life in Jesus which was 43 years ago today. When was your spiritual 'birthday' Mary; the day you came of your own free will to Jesus?

The church fellowship I belong to is based on the early church as described in Acts which met in homes and didn't have religious trappings.

Acts 2:42-47
The Believers Form a Community:

All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord’s Supper, and to prayer. A deep sense of awe came over them all, and the apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders. And all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had. They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need. They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity — all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people. And each day the Lord added to their fellowship those who were being saved.

Good Morning Pearl,

Thank you. Did you decide which books are in your bible? Or did someone decide that for you (us)?

You feel that you "have the authority through the Holy Spirit living within me and with his help and guidance to read and interpret scripture." The Apostles had that same authority to interpret Scripture. Does/did their authority supersede your authority? When the Apostles had a disagreement on Scripture interpretation how did they settle that difference? Did each individual Apostle have the authority to declare what was good to the Holy Spirit (Acts 15:28)? I am really trying to understand your theory.

For me to come into my own free will to Jesus is not the same as feeling I have authority to properly interpret Scripture. I don't understand your analogy.

The believers that formed a community in the 1st century, during the time the Apostles were alive, recognized the authority of the leaders of The Church; the Apostles. Since you practice what those early "believers" practice who in your community of believers has authority? Since you practice what they practiced have you sold your property/possessions?

Hebrews 13:17, of which the 1st century community of believers practiced, says that they were to obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Who in your community rules over you and is watching out for your soul?

Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, that's the difference between you & I, I prefer an authorized source of information, due to the holy nature of the topic. Whereas you, are rather promiscuous as to where you derive your alleged truth.

You believe in a doctrine about Scripture - that Scripture itself rejects.

That is nothing but a recipe for disaster . . .

 

[Pearl]

For me to come into my own free will to Jesus is not the same as feeling I have authority to properly interpret Scripture. I don't understand your analogy.

I didn't say it was Mary, it was a question I would like you to be able to tell me when you came of your own free will to Jesus as I did 43 years ago today. December 18th 1977 is my spiritual birthday when I received new life in Jesus. When was your spiritual birthday? When did you receive that new life?

And do you ever read scripture and find something fresh and wonderful in what you have read many times before?

This is all part of being a Christian Mary.

 

[Marymog]

I didn't say it was Mary, it was a question I would like you to be able to tell me when you came of your own free will to Jesus as I did 43 years ago today. December 18th 1977 is my spiritual birthday when I received new life in Jesus. When was your spiritual birthday? When did you receive that new life?

And do you ever read scripture and find something fresh and wonderful in what you have read many times before?

This is all part of being a Christian Mary.

Hi Pearl,

It seemed to me you were equating the two. I guess I misunderstood you.


Jesus was raised in a Jewish home and he was a Jew. He never had a "spiritual birthday".

I was raised in a Christian home and I am a Christian. I never had a "spiritual birthday".

I would say that my spiritual "new life" began the day I exited my mothers womb.

Happy Spiritual Birthday!

Mary

 

[Pearl]

I was raised in a Christian home and I am a Christian. I never had a "spiritual birthday".

I would say that my spiritual "new life" began the day I exited my mothers womb.

I'm sorry Mary but that doesn't make you a Christian. It may well make you a Catholic but it doesn't make you a Christian. God doesn't have grandchildren. Each of us need to choose to come to him of our free will. Somebody might show us the way but nobody - not even parents - can make that choice for us.

Being brought up in a Christian home does not make you a Christian.
Simply going to church does not make you a Christian.
Doing good and helping others does not make you a Christian.
Believing in God does not make you a Christian.
Being a Catholic does not automatically make you a Christian.

You have to decide that you want to be a Christian. Many people make the mistake of thinking they are Christians because they go to church or were brought up by Christians when in fact they have never taken that step for themselves. Until you take that step you are not born again, you are not a new creation, you do not have new life and you do not have the Holy Spirit living you. And without the Holy Spirit living you it is impossible to see clearly, it is impossible to understand the things of God.

This is how so many people are deceived. They are not taught these things. I wasn't until I was 35, but I had always considered myself to be a Christian. When somebody told me what I'm telling you I could have ignored it but I didn't. I took it to heart and made that decision and Jesus came into my life. And it has been wonderful; far better than religion. I now have a personal relationship with the Living God.

 

[Marymog]

I'm sorry Mary but that doesn't make you a Christian. It may well make you a Catholic but it doesn't make you a Christian. God doesn't have grandchildren. Each of us need to choose to come to him of our free will. Somebody might show us the way but nobody - not even parents - can make that choice for us.

Being brought up in a Christian home does not make you a Christian.
Simply going to church does not make you a Christian.
Doing good and helping others does not make you a Christian.
Believing in God does not make you a Christian.
Being a Catholic does not automatically make you a Christian.

You have to decide that you want to be a Christian. Many people make the mistake of thinking they are Christians because they go to church or were brought up by Christians when in fact they have never taken that step for themselves. Until you take that step you are not born again, you are not a new creation, you do not have new life and you do not have the Holy Spirit living you. And without the Holy Spirit living you it is impossible to see clearly, it is impossible to understand the things of God.

This is how so many people are deceived. They are not taught these things. I wasn't until I was 35, but I had always considered myself to be a Christian. When somebody told me what I'm telling you I could have ignored it but I didn't. I took it to heart and made that decision and Jesus came into my life. And it has been wonderful; far better than religion. I now have a personal relationship with the Living God.

Hmmmm.....Since you didn't give any passages from Scripture that supports your above stated opinion I am trying to find any passage in Scripture that supports your opinion.

I will keep looking!

I wonder at what point Jesus and the Apostles decided to become Jews? Is that in Scripture?

Mary

 

[Pearl]

Hmmmm.....Since you didn't give any passages from Scripture that supports your above stated opinion I am trying to find any passage in Scripture that supports your opinion.

I will keep looking!

I wonder at what point Jesus and the Apostles decided to become Jews? Is that in Scripture?

Mary

Don't look in scripture Mary, look at Jesus. Scripture won't save you or give you new life. Only Jesus can do that. Ask him. Find a quiet place and just talk to him. Ask him to show you if what I've said is true. Ask him to open your eyes and to give you understanding. I know it may go against the teaching of your church but Jesus teaching is more important. I am not saying these things to undermine you in any way but because I know how wonderful it is to have that new life. He does not turn away anybody that comes to him.