One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

[Ziggy]

@Davy
Maybe start here?

 

[Ziggy]

Nor do you have a clue what times we are in today, and nor are you willing to prepare yourself against the things Lord Jesus warned us against!!

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Jer 25:3 From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the LORD hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.
Jer 25:4 And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
Jer 25:5 They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever:
Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
Jer 25:7 Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Jer 25:8 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words,
Jer 25:9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Jer 25:10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
Jer 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Deu 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Luk 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
Luk 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
Luk 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

 

[farouk]

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Jer 25:3 From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the LORD hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.
Jer 25:4 And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
Jer 25:5 They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever:
Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
Jer 25:7 Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Jer 25:8 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words,
Jer 25:9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Jer 25:10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
Jer 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Deu 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Luk 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
Luk 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
Luk 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

@Ziggy For Jeremiah the Weeping Prophet repentance was indeed a vital truth to be known and practised.

 

[Davy]

Living Animals are living souls:

Num_31:28 And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

Rev_16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; Acts 17:25

In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. Job 12:10

But if the priest buy any soul with his money, he shall eat of it, and he that is born in his house: they shall eat of his meat. Leviticus 22:11

See Joshua 10, in every instance where it is written that Joshua destroyed "all the souls that were therein":

"...he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein..." Joshua 10:28

"...he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it..." Joshua 10:30

"...and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein..." Joshua 10:32

"...smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day..." Joshua 10:35

And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. Joshau 10:37

"And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining..." Joshua 10:39

So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

...just as Joshua did to Jericho, so he did to those cities, "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21

...just as Joshua did to Haxor, so he did to those cities, "And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire." Joshua 11:11

In many Old Testament Scriptures, the word soul is used to point to an entity, a being, not necessarily always meaning people. It doesn't mean God created animals with a soul like He did man's.

Lev 5:1-2
5:1 And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.
2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.
KJV

So animals are accountable like us for sin? No. So the comparison of man's soul and how the word is used in many readings still do not mean the same thing.

"SOUL; SELF; LIFE
nepesh OT:5315, "soul; self; life; person; heart." This is a very common term in both ancient and modern Semitic languages. It occurs over 780 times in the Old Testament and is evenly distributed in all periods of the text with a particularly high frequency in poetic passages.

The basic meaning is apparently related to the rare verbal form, napash. The noun refers to the essence of life, the act of breathing, taking breath. However, from that concrete concept, a number of more abstract meanings were developed. In its primary sense the noun appears in its first occurrence in Gen 1:20: "the moving creature that hath life," and in its second occurrence in Gen 2:7: "living soul."

However, in over 400 later occurrences it is translated "soul." While this serves to make sense in most passages, it is an unfortunate mistranslation of the term. The real difficulty of the term is seen in the inability of almost all English translations to find a consistent equivalent or even a small group of high-frequency equivalents for the term. The KJV alone uses over 28 different English terms for this one Hebrew word. The problem with the English term "soul" is that no actual equivalent of the term or the idea behind it is represented in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew system of thought does not include the combination or opposition of the terms "body" and "soul," which are really Greek and Latin in origin. The Hebrew contrasts two other concepts which are not found in the Greek and Latin tradition: "the inner self" and "the outer appearance" or, as viewed in a different context, "what one is to oneself" as opposed to "what one appears to be to one's observers." The inner person is nepesh, while the outer person, or reputation, is shem, most commonly translated "name." In narrative or historical passages of the Old Testament, nepesh can be translated as "life" or "self," as in Lev 17:11: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for [yourselves]...." Needless to say, the reading "soul" is meaningless in such a text.

But the situation in the numerous parallel poetic passages in which the term appears is much more difficult. The Greek Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate both simply use the Greek and Latin equivalent "soul," especially in the Psalms. The first occurrence is in Ps 3:2: "Many are saying of my soul, There is no deliverance for him in God" (NASB). The next occurrence is in Ps 6:3: "And my soul is greatly dismayed; But Thou, O Lord-- how long?" (NASB). In both passages the parallel contrast is between nepesh and some aspect of the self, expressed as "him" in Ps 3:2 and not expressed but understood in Ps 6:3. There is no distinction as to whether it appears as an "A" or "B" word in the parallelism. However, since Hebrew rejects repeating the same noun in both halves of a poetic line, nepesh is often used as the parallel for the speaker, primary personal subject, and even for God, as in Ps 11:5: "The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence [he himself] hateth." Such passages are frequent, and a proper understanding of the word enlightens many wellknown passages, such as Ps 119:109: "My life is continually in my hand, Yet I do not forget Thy law" (NASB).

The versions vary widely in their readings of nepesh, with the more contemporary versions casting widely for meanings."

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright (c)1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

 

[Davy]

What does this mean?

Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

I wish more people were busy "playing" religion... only for real.

Christianity is not a religion. It is the Truth. Big... difference.

Religion is man's outward working to try and appear holy.

And there are different forms of 'love' also. A friend warning someone they care about from impending danger is a show of love also. And that is how I especially see what my Lord Jesus did with giving us forewarning of the Signs of the end of this world so His faithful would not be deceived. I chose to listen to Him, and not to deluded ones like you.

 

[Davy]

REPENT!! REPENT!!
....

WATCH! WATCH! WATCH!

That is Lord Jesus' COMMAND for His faithful servants at the end of this world.

Matt 24:42-51
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

Matt 25:12-13
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
KJV

Matt 26:41
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
KJV

Mark 13:31-37
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
KJV

 

[Ziggy]

In many Old Testament Scriptures, the word soul is used to point to an entity, a being, not necessarily always meaning people. It doesn't mean God created animals with a soul like He did man's.

Lev 5:1-2
5:1 And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.
2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.
KJV

So animals are accountable like us for sin? No. So the comparison of man's soul and how the word is used in many readings still do not mean the same thing.

"SOUL; SELF; LIFE
nepesh OT:5315, "soul; self; life; person; heart." This is a very common term in both ancient and modern Semitic languages. It occurs over 780 times in the Old Testament and is evenly distributed in all periods of the text with a particularly high frequency in poetic passages.

The basic meaning is apparently related to the rare verbal form, napash. The noun refers to the essence of life, the act of breathing, taking breath. However, from that concrete concept, a number of more abstract meanings were developed. In its primary sense the noun appears in its first occurrence in Gen 1:20: "the moving creature that hath life," and in its second occurrence in Gen 2:7: "living soul."

However, in over 400 later occurrences it is translated "soul." While this serves to make sense in most passages, it is an unfortunate mistranslation of the term. The real difficulty of the term is seen in the inability of almost all English translations to find a consistent equivalent or even a small group of high-frequency equivalents for the term. The KJV alone uses over 28 different English terms for this one Hebrew word. The problem with the English term "soul" is that no actual equivalent of the term or the idea behind it is represented in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew system of thought does not include the combination or opposition of the terms "body" and "soul," which are really Greek and Latin in origin. The Hebrew contrasts two other concepts which are not found in the Greek and Latin tradition: "the inner self" and "the outer appearance" or, as viewed in a different context, "what one is to oneself" as opposed to "what one appears to be to one's observers." The inner person is nepesh, while the outer person, or reputation, is shem, most commonly translated "name." In narrative or historical passages of the Old Testament, nepesh can be translated as "life" or "self," as in Lev 17:11: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for [yourselves]...." Needless to say, the reading "soul" is meaningless in such a text.

But the situation in the numerous parallel poetic passages in which the term appears is much more difficult. The Greek Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate both simply use the Greek and Latin equivalent "soul," especially in the Psalms. The first occurrence is in Ps 3:2: "Many are saying of my soul, There is no deliverance for him in God" (NASB). The next occurrence is in Ps 6:3: "And my soul is greatly dismayed; But Thou, O Lord-- how long?" (NASB). In both passages the parallel contrast is between nepesh and some aspect of the self, expressed as "him" in Ps 3:2 and not expressed but understood in Ps 6:3. There is no distinction as to whether it appears as an "A" or "B" word in the parallelism. However, since Hebrew rejects repeating the same noun in both halves of a poetic line, nepesh is often used as the parallel for the speaker, primary personal subject, and even for God, as in Ps 11:5: "The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence [he himself] hateth." Such passages are frequent, and a proper understanding of the word enlightens many wellknown passages, such as Ps 119:109: "My life is continually in my hand, Yet I do not forget Thy law" (NASB).

The versions vary widely in their readings of nepesh, with the more contemporary versions casting widely for meanings."

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright (c)1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

I think when you lose a pet. One so dear and close, your friend.
No one wants to let go. The sorrow and grief looks for hope and some comfort.
And wanting to have that relationship again in another place and time,
I believe is a natural reaction.
I have had many pets I have lost over the years, dogs, cats mostly.
And I consider each my friend. My companion.
I don't know if I will ever get to see them again,
But while I'm here, I can still hope.
Is it a false hope? I don't know.
But what I do know,
is that little bit of hope helps you recover from the sorrow and grief that could lead to worse places.
Like severe depression and even death.

So if a little hope is the medicine which cures the pain..
is that harmful?

Thank You
God Bless You

 

[Ziggy]

Christianity is not a religion. It is the Truth. Big... difference.

Religion is man's outward working to try and appear holy.

And there are different forms of 'love' also. A friend warning someone they care about from impending danger is a show of love also. And that is how I especially see what my Lord Jesus did with giving us forewarning of the Signs of the end of this world so His faithful would not be deceived. I chose to listen to Him, and not to deluded ones like you.

Davy,
I'm not deluded.
Maybe you don't follow all of my posts so you don't really know what I know.
There is a great tribulation on the horizon. So close I can taste it.
And every man's faith is going to be tried.
Not because of a vaccine or an election.
It will be the test of Truth.
And many will fall. And some will turn and be saved.
It's getting daarker my friend,
and those thunder clouds are moving in closer every day.
In the world we live in.
Not in the clouds, not in a kingdom far away...
but today, here, and now.

The most effective weapon we have is one of positivity over negativety.
Hope over fear, Love over Hate. Truth over Lies.
All we can do is stand strong and be still, and know that God is in control.

I appreciate your willingness to answer the call to protect the sheep,
of which I am one of those sheep also.

Whether you receive it or no,
Much Love
Hugs
Thank You

 

[Taken]

One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...
OP ^

Precisely!
For the uninformed...
No ...Body's did Not Come FROM Heaven.
No ...Body's do Not GO to Heaven.

souls and spirits of men are being Divided...daily.
Those With the Lord God FROM those Without the Lord God.

Jesus' arrival ON Earth Began THOSE "Last Days" of Division.
Heb 1:2 "last days"
Luke 12:51 "division"


We are in "times of Sorrows." Mark 13:8
( wars, hate, offended, betrayal, rejection of God, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, false prophets )

The "Tribulation LAST Days" are Times of:
The Lords Anger;............. Rev 6:16
The Devils Anger;............ Rev 12:12
The God Almightys Anger;. Rev 14:10
• Being unleashed upon the Earth via "their" Wraths.

•souls and spirits of men...With the Lord, are Not subject to Wrath...are removed From the earth.

•soul and spirits of men NOT with the Lord, "during the set Phases of The LAST DAYS," have opportunity to Come to the Lord....at which time, their suffering Wrath ends.

•souls and spirits of men that continue to Reject the Lord God During the The LAST Days Tribulation...are subject to the full measure of the set Phases of WRATH.

God is True, Faithful and Just,
Taken

 

[Davy]

I think when you lose a pet. One so dear and close, your friend.
No one wants to let go. The sorrow and grief looks for hope and some comfort.
And wanting to have that relationship again in another place and time,
I believe is a natural reaction.
I have had many pets I have lost over the years, dogs, cats mostly.
And I consider each my friend. My companion.
I don't know if I will ever get to see them again,
But while I'm here, I can still hope.
Is it a false hope? I don't know.
But what I do know,
is that little bit of hope helps you recover from the sorrow and grief that could lead to worse places.
Like severe depression and even death.

So if a little hope is the medicine which cures the pain..
is that harmful?

Thank You
God Bless You

So God told us if we have a pet calf, don't kill and eat it because it has a soul? No, afraid not.

I had to explain the difference between 'kill' and 'murder' to one who was illiterate, their trying to use 'Thou shalt not kill' from the KJV translation to mean we are not to kill anything, period. So I asked if when chickens are slaughtered for the table, are they murdered? They laughed and said no. Then I explained that God's commanment that thou shalt not kill in the Hebrew means thou shalt not do murder, which means homicide. The Greek translation of Matthew 19 got it right, and the KJV translators properly brought 'murder' into English. In the Hollywood movie about Sargent York, the American Army WWI medal of honor winner from Tennessee, Hollywood exploited that 'thou shalt not kill' interpretation, and no doubt York's oldtime country preacher did too, wrongly teaching that to kill always meant murder. It does not mean murder or homicide.

 

[Taken]

I think when you lose a pet. One so dear and close, your friend.
No one wants to let go. The sorrow and grief looks for hope and some comfort.
And wanting to have that relationship again in another place and time,
I believe is a natural reaction.
I have had many pets I have lost over the years, dogs, cats mostly.
And I consider each my friend. My companion.
I don't know if I will ever get to see them again,
But while I'm here, I can still hope.
Is it a false hope? I don't know.
But what I do know,
is that little bit of hope helps you recover from the sorrow and grief that could lead to worse places.
Like severe depression and even death.

So if a little hope is the medicine which cures the pain..
is that harmful?

Thank You
God Bless You

I believe Animals even former pets will inhabit a new Earth with a Saved and quickened people.

Not leaning toward Saved souls in Heaven being busied with the business of playing /cuddling with pets....or even saved souls of loved friends and relatives being like now when we see them, reminisce, make it about ourselves...thinking moreso our soul and spirit in Heaven is about our relationship with God.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

So God told us if we have a pet calf, don't kill and eat it because it has a soul? No, afraid not.

The term "Pet" may be a misnomer.

Pets are companions.
Animals for purposes of Scriptural means, don't fall into the category of pets, moreso intended for sacrifice.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ziggy]

So God told us if we have a pet calf, don't kill and eat it because it has a soul? No, afraid not.

I had to explain the difference between 'kill' and 'murder' to one who was illiterate, their trying to use 'Thou shalt not kill' from the KJV translation to mean we are not to kill anything, period. So I asked if when chickens are slaughtered for the table, are they murdered? They laughed and said no. Then I explained that God's commanment that thou shalt not kill in the Hebrew means thou shalt not do murder, which means homicide. The Greek translation of Matthew 19 got it right, and the KJV translators properly brought 'murder' into English. In the Hollywood movie about Sargent York, the American Army WWI medal of honor winner from Tennessee, Hollywood exploited that 'thou shalt not kill' interpretation, and no doubt York's oldtime country preacher did too, wrongly teaching that to kill always meant murder. It does not mean murder or homicide.

I hope you understand what I am going to post.
I understand that it is an example .. the moral of the story is the same.

2Sa 12:1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2Sa 12:2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
2Sa 12:3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
2Sa 12:4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
2Sa 12:5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
2Sa 12:6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

It is about compassion, pity, empathy..
Now most animals in the bible are substituted for mankind. Whether it be a lamb or a lion or an eagle.
Not that animals don't exist.. we know they do.
But each has it's own characteristics or personality or trait.
You understand in the OT all those sheep and goats and bullocks and what have you.. represent our sins.. peoples sins.
They had no mercy.. thousands and thousands... THAT'S A LOT OF SINS!
I personally could never, would never work in a slaughter house, or a science lab where they do experiments, or anything else that has to do with animals.
Just not going to happen. There are people however that for some reason, maybe necessity, that they can do these needful jobs to feed people and make sure medicine is safe.
I can not.
I'm a veggie fan myself. I eat fish because my doctor said it's good for me.
I'm not a meat eater. If you put it on my plate I will eat it as not to offend the person who prepared it.
Now this last thanksgiving I baught some sliced turkey breast from the deli.
I had 1 slice and divided the rest to my cats. They liked it.. they are cats.. lol

You seem to see the cold hard facts, while I tend to see the warmer softer... still facts.
Just different elevations. different perceptions.
I guess from your point of view I do seem kind of flighty and air headed,
while I find you kind of stony and thorny...
in a good way.. kinda

:)

 

[Truther]

If two men were sleeping in the same bed as being married which one was forced to be a sinner that got taken? This in not about 1 Thessalonians 4. That is the point. Jesus was talking about death, not a rapture. They are taken to a pile of dead bodies. Luke 17:34-37

34 `I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
36 two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left.'
37 And they answering say to him, `Where, sir?' and he said to them, `Where the body [is], there will the eagles be gathered together.'

So, in Matt 25(the same conversation per 24), the bridegroom took the virgins or left them?

 

[Truther]

That's not the second coming. That's the close of probation. It is a matter of spiritual, not natural. The marriage takes place in Heaven before Jesus comes:

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Luk_19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

Isa_13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
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That text doesn't even say "taken" or "left". Yikes.

The bridegroom taking the virgins is not the 2nd coming.

I never said it was.

It is the catching away of the living saints.

Some were ready, others were not.

 

[Davy]

I hope you understand what I am going to post.
I understand that it is an example .. the moral of the story is the same.

2Sa 12:1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2Sa 12:2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
2Sa 12:3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
2Sa 12:4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
2Sa 12:5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
2Sa 12:6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

It is about compassion, pity, empathy..
Now most animals in the bible are substituted for mankind. Whether it be a lamb or a lion or an eagle.
Not that animals don't exist.. we know they do.
But each has it's own characteristics or personality or trait.
You understand in the OT all those sheep and goats and bullocks and what have you.. represent our sins.. peoples sins.
They had no mercy.. thousands and thousands... THAT'S A LOT OF SINS!
I personally could never, would never work in a slaughter house, or a science lab where they do experiments, or anything else that has to do with animals.
Just not going to happen. There are people however that for some reason, maybe necessity, that they can do these needful jobs to feed people and make sure medicine is safe.
I can not.
I'm a veggie fan myself. I eat fish because my doctor said it's good for me.
I'm not a meat eater. If you put it on my plate I will eat it as not to offend the person who prepared it.
Now this last thanksgiving I baught some sliced turkey breast from the deli.
I had 1 slice and divided the rest to my cats. They liked it.. they are cats.. lol

You seem to see the cold hard facts, while I tend to see the warmer softer... still facts.
Just different elevations. different perceptions.
I guess from your point of view I do seem kind of flighty and air headed,
while I find you kind of stony and thorny...
in a good way.. kinda

:)

The subject has been about how God created us (man) and the different parts God's Word declares about us as His creation, of which I provided many Scriptures as proof of my position, and all you know how to do is revert to insults, saying I'm not a compassionate person!!

You don't know how I am, nor do you understand much of God's Word either, I called you out on that and you only showed more of your Biblical illiteracy, and now you are angry like a rich man who has had his bloated honor damaged!

 

[Ziggy]

The subject has been about how God created us (man) and the different parts God's Word declares about us as His creation, of which I provided many Scriptures as proof of my position, and all you know how to do is revert to insults, saying I'm not a compassionate person!!

You don't know how I am, nor do you understand much of God's Word either, I called you out on that and you only showed more of your Biblical illiteracy, and now you are angry like a rich man who has had his bloated honor damaged!

You misunderstood me... again..

I wasn't pointing at you.
I was refering to the emotional feelings people have towards their pets.

You sure are sensitive..
You got a guilty conscience or sumfin?

I"m glad I'm not rich. It makes people sour. Like sour grapes.

I think you like me..
HUGS

 

[WaterSong]

Animals don't have souls. God created man in His Image, not animals in His Image.

But primitive tribes of ancient pagans sure treated God like He was an animal, portraying Him as all kinds of abominable things.

All living things are created by God, all that exists is of and from God, and animals have souls. You missed the verse I posted that tells you that.
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:16-17)

 

[ReChoired]

In many Old Testament Scriptures, the word soul is used to point to an entity, a being, not necessarily always meaning people.

Thank you for proving my point.

It doesn't mean God created animals with a soul like He did man's.

Two strawmen here and a false apriori.

Strawmen:

[1] I never said that God created animals "with a soul". I stated that living animals are "living souls" and demonstrated with scripture.
[2] I never said that God created animals with the exact same capability as mankind either.​

False apriori:

[1] "with a soul", the Bible doesn't say that mankind was created "with a soul", but that mankind, (Adam) was created and "became a living soul".
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So animals are accountable like us for sin? No.

Another Strawman.

Strawman:

[1] I never stated that animals (lower orders of creatures) are "accountable like us (mankind) for sin"
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Let me know when you desire to deal with what I actually presented, instead of what 'you' presented that 'I' presented. One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

 

[WaterSong]

I think when you lose a pet. One so dear and close, your friend.
No one wants to let go. The sorrow and grief looks for hope and some comfort.
And wanting to have that relationship again in another place and time,
I believe is a natural reaction.
I have had many pets I have lost over the years, dogs, cats mostly.
And I consider each my friend. My companion.
I don't know if I will ever get to see them again,
But while I'm here, I can still hope.
Is it a false hope? I don't know.
But what I do know,
is that little bit of hope helps you recover from the sorrow and grief that could lead to worse places.
Like severe depression and even death.

So if a little hope is the medicine which cures the pain..
is that harmful?

Thank You
God Bless You

Not at all.
Proverbs 12:10 Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.