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Please Read This Post Carefully, You May Even Need To Read It Twice. Take Note Of How This Is Too Neat To Be Neither A Coincidence Or An Accident.

Clear your mind of everything that you have ever thought or been taught about the book of Revelation, especially when it comes to the beasts and the harlot. If you read this carefully and let it sink in you will understand that it is 100% correct. I warn you, it is long but necessarily so.

I won't quote the verses but read Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 13:11. The key to understanding these verses and I suppose the whole book of Revelation is the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast.

When you read the Old Testament, what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was the reason God brought judgement on Israel? I'll tell you what it was, IDOLATRY! The worship of false gods or false religions.

It follows then that the blasphemous names would be the names of religions because what could be more blasphemous to God than the name of a false god or religion? But which religions?

Well as the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the ANTI Christ, presumably that means that the false religions would also have to have a "messiah" of some description.

Do you know how many religions besides Christianity have a messianic figure of some sort? Seven! And only seven. Seven blasphemous names, seven religions..

Those seven religions are further separated into 10 different branches, that is, three of the seven have two major branches. The horns on the beast therefore are the ten major branches of those religions and the ten crowns are the authority each religion/branch possesses to give to their messiah currently held by the figurehead leader of each religion/branch. Ten horns, ten branches.. Ten crowns, ten figureheads..

The seven heads are the respective "messiahs."

Read that again and understand what it means.

That's right, there isn't going to be only one antiChrist, there are going to be *SEVEN!* One for me and one for you depending on where in the world you live and on which side of the aisle you fall.

The seven religions are Judaism (Orthodox and Zionism), islam (Sunni and Shia), Buddhism (Theravada and Mahayana), Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism and Ba'bism/Bahá'i. (7 names /10 branches/10 crowns)

The respective "messiahs" are Mashiach, mahdi, Maitreya, Kalki, Saoshyant, Li Hong and "he whom God will make manifest" . (7 "messiahs"/7 heads)

When the Bible says "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast" it's because they already do, and they don't even know that they do..

Using the same formula of heads being religions and horns being branches of them we can decipher who the second beast and his horns represent and also with the harlot too.

In Revelation 13:11 we're told that the second beast has "two horns like a lamb" and as we know Jesus is the Lamb, the beast out of the earth must represent a false Christianity.

The second beast also mimics Elijah by calling fire down from heaven so presumably that means he's coming as a false Elijah to the first beast's false Christ which will also be why he's called the false prophet.

There are only two branches of "Christianity" that are expecting Elijah in the end-times, the LDS and the JW's. Two branches, two horns..

The harlot represents not only Catholicism and through her daughters most organized Christianity but she also represents all religions that have a female godhead because she is Asherah who they all ultimately worship.

You should notice that virtually every religion in the world is covered and that those religions cover practically the whole world. You should also see that I have merely applied available facts to the scriptures.

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So who are the beasts and the harlot? Can we know? I believe that we can, yes, and they're not who you think they are.

In 2 Timothy 3:8 Paul mentions Jannes and Jambres but that is the only mention of them in the whole Bible. Who are they and what have they done to warrant their actual names being in the Bible?

They were the Egyptian sorcerers who went up against Moses in Pharoah's court when Moses turned his staff into a snake and it ate the staffs of the sorcerers after they did the same thing. If you read the account of the plagues in Exodus you can see that God humiliated the Egyptian magicians and the Egyptians in general.

But why would Paul name them in scripture 1500 years after they had died? There has to be a reason and if you do a bit of research into them I believe that it becomes obvious why.

Jannes and Jambres left Egypt with the Israelites but *Jannes drowned in the Red Sea* when God closed it over the Egyptians. His brother Jambres stayed with the Israelites and was even believed to have converted to Judaism. He was supposedly one of the instigators of the golden calf incident and was one of the followers of Korah who were *swallowed up by the earth.*

Jannes drowned in the sea - beast out of the sea
Jambres swallowed by the earth - beast out of the earth

Aggadic writings tell us that the Egyptian sorcerers, during the end of days, possessed the necessary occult knowledge to embark on a journey to the Jewish world to come. I'll repeat that, the *Egyptian sorcerers possessed the necessary occult knowledge to embark on a journey to the Jewish world to come.*

So two powerful Egyptian sorcerers who have a serious beef with God over the way he humiliated them in Pharoah's court and over the way in which they died possess the occult knowledge to appear in the world today.. Ookaay..

Is anybody expecting a couple of 3500yr old Egyptian sorcerers any time soon? Well they're coming anyway and I don't think that they're coming as tourists..

But why does God call them beasts and abominations? Because to God they ARE beasts and abominations, Jannes especially..

Jannes is actually the Roman god Janus and while he's normally portrayed as having two heads or two faces he actually has many heads.. Seven heads to be exact. This study by the Black Sheep Researcher tells you an awful lot about Janus/Jannes.


You'll discover that Janus is Bel, and Janus is Ba'al, is Moloch and even more. It leaves little doubt that Janus is the seven headed beast out of the sea. Jambres is his brother.. The harlot is their mother (the mother of prostitutes and of the *abominations of the earth* ).

It's also possible that they are Titans, you know, big giants? Like *REALLY BIG GIANTS!* Have a watch of this video to follow my train of thought here..

200 Watchers & The Race Of Giants They Created/

Their mother, the harlot, is Jezebel who was the wife of Ahab. How can Jezebel be their mother? Well, like her sons, Jezebel was also a powerful occult sorcerer, I can only surmise that when God says she's their mom He is talking about the spirit that controlled her, that being the spirit of Asherah who is the mother of the Titans through another one of her alter egos, Gaia. They are the same person..

So in summary, because this comment is long enough anyway..

Anti-Christ = the beast out of the sea = Janus/Jannes (+ seven antiChrists)
False prophet = beast out of the earth = Jambres
The harlot = Jezebel

You can't tell me that when these guys show up people aren't going to "wonder after the beast" , a seven headed giant magician or that they won't be fooled by their "lying signs and wonders" considering how powerful their magic is. When "Elijah" tells everybody that Janus is the god they've always been worshipping the seven messiahs will concur and so the world will be convinced to worship Janus AS God.

"See, I have warned you ahead of time"

Blessings

P.S. there are some supporting Scriptures but the post is too long already..
 

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Please Read This Post Carefully, You May Even Need To Read It Twice. Take Note Of How This Is Too Neat To Be Neither A Coincidence Or An Accident.

Clear your mind of everything that you have ever thought or been taught about the book of Revelation, especially when it comes to the beasts and the harlot. If you read this carefully and let it sink in you will understand that it is 100% correct. I warn you, it is long but necessarily so.

I won't quote the verses but read Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 13:11. The key to understanding these verses and I suppose the whole book of Revelation is the blasphemous names on the heads of the beast.

When you read the Old Testament, what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was the reason God brought judgement on Israel? I'll tell you what it was, IDOLATRY! The worship of false gods or false religions.

It follows then that the blasphemous names would be the names of religions because what could be more blasphemous to God than the name of a false god or religion? But which religions?

Well as the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the ANTI Christ, presumably that means that the false religions would also have to have a "messiah" of some description.

Do you know how many religions besides Christianity have a messianic figure of some sort? Seven! And only seven. Seven blasphemous names, seven religions..

Those seven religions are further separated into 10 different branches, that is, three of the seven have two major branches. The horns on the beast therefore are the ten major branches of those religions and the ten crowns are the authority each religion/branch possesses to give to their messiah currently held by the figurehead leader of each religion/branch. Ten horns, ten branches.. Ten crowns, ten figureheads..

The seven heads are the respective "messiahs."

Read that again and understand what it means.

You lost all understanding in Revelation 13 when you said the Rev.13:1 and 11 verses were the 'key' to the whole Book.

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

KJV

The "seven heads" are "seven mountains", that's easy. But your idea for that requires jumping through all sorts of imaginary hoops.

All you've done is pull a couple of verses out of The Bible and created your OWN DOCTRINES. And they are doctrines that don't hold a drop of water.
 

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Welcome to the forum Ki Won. This is a fun subject to study. Thank you for sharing your views.

I'll throw in some of my own...

When you read the Old Testament, what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was the reason God brought judgement on Israel? I'll tell you what it was, IDOLATRY! The worship of false gods or false religions.

I definitely agree that idolatry is the sin God hates the most, however I believe it is more than just simply worshipping said idols. God knows that what is really in the hearts of Men is to BECOME the idols. More specifically... to become Gods.

Thus, when Men tried to become Gods via Genetic Engineering and Trans-Humanism, God had to flood the world...

Genesis 6:13
"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."


Now, here we are all these years later and it is happening again...

Luke 17:26
"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."


Man 2.0 (Mark of the Beast) is here. It is just a matter of time as to when he will be rolled out en masse.
 

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Jannes is actually the Roman god Janus and while he's normally portrayed as having two heads or two faces he actually has many heads.
There is something about Janus alright that the Occult World loves.

Here is another version...

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It is from Morals and Dogma of course. The '33' is the leader of the 32 stars that are falling...

Revelation 12:4
"And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."


The Stars are under its wings, or under its dominion and control.

Here is another version of Janus that the Freemasons love to symbolize...

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These are the "Two Johns"...
  • John the Baptist looks towards the Old Testament
  • John the Apostle looks towards the New Testament
They all point towards a 'Transition'. Out with the old, in with the new.

Again... Man 2.0. and becoming "Born Again" so to speak.
 

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Their mother, the harlot, is...
...another one of her alter egos, Gaia. They are the same person.

The bolded word above is a more accurate description I believe.

The Seven Mountains could mean the Seven Continents on which she sits...

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How do we know Mystery Babylon is the Earth? Here...

Revelation 18:24
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."


All means all. Mystery Babylon drinks the blood of *all* who are slain, which means she drank the blood of the very first person who was slain...

Genesis 4:11
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;"


Earth is the only one that drank the blood of Abel. Jesus confirms this...

Luke 11:50
"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation"


Who was the first Prophet that Mystery Babylon drank blood from?

Luke 11:51
"From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation."


Abel.

But wait... isn't Mystery Babylon Earthly Jerusalem? Yes...

Matthew 23:37
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"


Jesus is teaching that both Earth *and* Earthly Jerusalem are to be considered Mystery Babylon. Why?

Because Gaia is our Earthly Mother and the Jerusalem Temple is our Body!

1 Corinthians 3:16
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"


Christians have too much pride and ego to see the Truth for what it is. The Human Race is the Harlots and Abominations Mystery Babylon gave birth to.

It is what it is...

Galatians 4:24
"Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar."


Hagar, the "Egyptian Woman", represents Earthly Jerusalem, and at the same time, represents Gaia.

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The Seven Mountains could mean ...

... the SEVEN Ice Cream Sundaes I ate to beat my son in an "Scout" sponsored Ice Cream Eating Contest. -- But what COULD BE is INFINITE; and what IS is DEFINITIVE.

So is this a GUESSING GAME, or a DETERMINATION? And if the former, then why waste our time; but if the latter, then make a CLEAR, CONCISE, case based upon both Scripture and History. -- But who is able, besides me?!?


Conversely, NO MAN can decipher Bible Prophecy, -- and GOD is just "toying" with stupid (as in uninformed, -- not unintelligent) men! Yep, that's my vote ... NOT!

Bobby Jo
 

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If you read this carefully and let it sink in you will understand that it is 100% correct.
Your ideas are interesting but not necessarily correct. And clearly not 100% correct. A plain reading of Revelation 13 shows that the words "dragon" and "beast" are used metaphorically. But "the Beast" is the Antichrist.

And they worshipped the dragon [SATAN] which gave power unto the beast [THE ANTICHRIST]: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months [3 1/2 YEARS]. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in Heaven.
 
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I'm not sure I follow you Booby Jo. I like reading and sharing theories and opinions.

Here is another view of the Seven Mountains...

The Seven Mountains are Seven Kings or Seven Antichrists...

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I feel the above is one of the most accurate I have seen so far. I'm not sure I agree 100%, but it is very close.

What say you?
 

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But "the Beast" is the Antichrist.
I agree.

Just to add some perspective, I believe there is an Unholy Trinity in all of this...
  • Beast = Anti Father
  • False Prophet = Anti Word
  • Dragon = Anti Holy Ghost
The Dragon is Spirit and not 'material' as the Beast and False Prophet are.
 

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... which gave power unto the beast [THE ANTICHRIST] ...

THREE Entities:
1. the Dragon -- satan
2. the Beast -- One-World-Government, United Nations
3. the False Prophet -- anti-christ whose name sums to 666​

Perhaps if one understood the FOUNDATIONS of Bible Prophecy, they could arrive to a conclusion. OR -- maybe we can bypass all the details and JUMP to a conclusion.

Bobby Jo
 

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I'm not sure I follow you Bobby Jo. I like reading and sharing theories and opinions.
Here is another view of the Seven Mountains...
"Barn-yard" theology. -- And if it were a different number of "mountains" they'd keep going back in history as far as NIMROD, and even further if necessary.

It's like the village idiot picking up a washer and declaring that it fell from the Space Shuttle Challenger. Absolute bull-"manure".
Bobby Jo
 

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Something else to consider is Kabbalah and their so called "Tree of Life".

Notice there are Ten Sephirot...

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These can be considered to be the Ten Horns...

Revelation 17:12
"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."


Note that there is an Eleventh 'Hidden' Sephirot called DA'AT.

"In the branch of Jewish mysticism known as Kabbalah, Daʻat ("Knowledge", Hebrew: דעת‎ [ˈdaʕaθ]) is the location (the mystical state) where all ten sefirot in the Tree of Life are united as one."

Da'at - Wikipedia

Now, where have I read that before? Ten united as One? Oh, that's right. The next verse...

Revelation 17:13
"These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."


Now, if we could only pinpoint the folks that practice that crazy old religion, then perhaps we could figure out who the Moshiach... oops, I mean Antichrist is.

:rolleyes:
 

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lol....one thing is certain considering all the different approaches and that is if the paradigm is faulty one will not recognise the unfolding events that matter.

The Jews in their pride and self sufficiency missed the primary event of all the scripture. Personally, I'm persuaded they knew who Jesus was but they chose another because it suited them.

If our objective is to justify our view we are on our own. If our objective is to understand.....if there is a willingness at any cost (meaning, to sacrifice our favourite positions) God will lead us to clearer insight.
 
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The Great Beast was in the Vision of Daniel. God was telling him who Babylon would be in the end times, and how they would spread out. It's also described in John's Book of Revelations: the Four Horses of the Apocalypse. Irwin Baxter (End of the Age TV program, Endtime Ministries | End of the Age | Irvin Baxter and Dave Robbins).
Red Horse = Communism, White Horse = Catholicism, Black Horse = Capitalism, Green/Pale Horse = Muslimism. Their descriptions are accurate to their nature. This is the spread out Babylonian empire (Rome is the False Prophet). Iran is the nation where the anti-Christ comes from. He is the former king of Persia who Alexander the Great defeated when Alexander fought to free all the tribes of Israel from the Persian armies.
Russia is the Head of the Beast. Rosh means "head". Russia is always the instigator/ plan maker for all these other nations. The Head of the Beast (USSR = Russia) fell in the time of Ronald Reagan. In Times Magazine the front cover said, "Communism is Dead", indicating the mortal wound on the Head of the Beast.
President Ronald Reagan is a type of Nehemiah for the United States (United 13 Tribes of Israel), who rebuilt the military and hope for Israel. Only today the new Russia (Russian Federation), has come back alive, just as the Bible says it will.
Putin, the name of the leader of Russia, means 'whore". in French (Putain). He is the same character as the Roman emperor Julius Caesar, and acts the same.
In the end, USA wins, God protects Israel/USA.
Islam of the Green Horse= Muslimism, always fights, wars (their description), began when Mohamed married a rich Roman Catholic nun. Mohamed learned that system of dictatorship from the Roman Catholic system.

Today both catholic nuns and muslim women wear the same black head scarf. Only Catholic churches are allowed in muslim nations. The pope has kissed the koran more than once. Muslims are not so offended by the Catholic church, though they have stated they will tear down it's walls and take the Pope's riches (thieving is the Babylonian way).
 

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Since "the Beast" is clearly a man in Revelation 13, you are making up your own interpretation. It will be a ONE-MAN government for 3 1/2 years.
First of all, there are TWO Beasts.

So starting with the FIRST Beast, tell us EXACTLY:
  • Why Rev. 12 says SEVEN Diadems but Rev. 13 says TEN Diadems
  • Who the Seven Heads are
  • Who the Mortally wounded head is
  • How the Mortal Wound is HEALED
  • Why the Lion is the MOUTH
  • Why the Leopard is NOT a "Leopard"
  • Why the "Leopard" is the BODY
  • Why the Bear is the FEET
  • Who the False Prophet is
  • What the IMAGE IS of the False Prophet
... for starters. And then maybe we'll venture into Dan. 2 to have you explain why GOD provided the Intelligent Design sequence of: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold. -- And it IS Intelligent Design, not some random thoughtless distracted disoriented rambling.

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Bobby Jo
 
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S ... Notice there are Ten Sephirot...

When you make your "guesses", do you use dice, or a dart board, or a "random number generator" as your FOUNDATION? And have you ever considered Scripture and History?!?

:)
Bobby Jo
 

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When you make your "guesses", do you use dice, or a dart board, or a "random number generator" as your FOUNDATION? And have you ever considered Scripture and History?!?

:)
Bobby Jo
Just stop already. So sick of your BIG MOUTH.

Putting you on ignore.
 

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... Putting you on ignore.

It ain't ME which you ignore, it's Scripture and History! Now if you were honest about the facts then you'd delve into the TRUTH of Scripture, but instead you prefer someone's imaginations. So Good Luck in THAT! :)

Bobby Jo :)