The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[Heyzeus]

"Demonize"--what a joke. What will those who are so quick to cry "foul" do when real persecution comes?

and that will be you .. no ability to justify your actions or beliefs :) You been crying foul this whole time.. anything to avoid addressing the material at hand .. avoid and deflect is your game - and when not doing that - making false accusations and deception .. when all else fails - Ad Hom fallacy - "demonize the messenger" ..

You have no free pass - all must pass judgement - and your understanding of the teachings of Jesus .. "the Will of the Father" .. has been found wanting .. but thank goodness I came into your life - to point you in the right direction ..

Do not do to others what you hate - the rest is just commentary :) Rabbi Hillel .. and of course my Lord and Savior.

Your Lord and Savior ? Not so much .. you must rid your mind of this vision of Flip Flopper God .. cant make up his mind from one century to the next .. one with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. and you know the rest of the story .. because it is your story ..

To kill those babies .. or not to kill .. that is the question you must wrestle with .. but not I .. My savior is not a flip flopper .. Do not do to others what you hate .. no other question need be asked - what other advice do you need to solve this problem ?

If you don't want some crazed mob snatching your baby in the middle of the night and throwing it on a large bonfire .. because your neighbor two doors down and some others in the neighborhood violated some religious rule .. .. then perhaps don't do this to others..

Or would you not hate that ? Would you not hate threw your baby on a bonfire on that pretext .. ??

Down a twisted path you have gone .. Do not give into hate Luke .. do not throw those babies on the fire ..

Your mind is twisted by man made ideology - and you have wandered far from the Truth .. the way .. the light.

 

[justbyfaith]

You have no free pass - all must pass judgement -

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

and of course my Lord and Savior.

Your Lord and Savior ? Not so much ..

His Lord and Saviour is the Jesus presented to us in the Holy Bible.

Which Jesus is your Lord and Saviour?

2Co 11:3, But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4, For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

How do you determine who Jesus is? Since you do not accept the plenary inspiration of the entire canon of holy scripture.

Do you pick and choose what you are going to call "inspired"?

That is smorgasborg religion.

 

[BarneyFife]

Your Lord and Savior ? Not so much

Judge much?

To kill those babies .. or not to kill .. that is the question you must wrestle with

Been there; done that. It sounds like you're still wrestling.

Or would you not hate that ?

Did you even read my post?
I have yet to suggest that you're a demon.
You're a free moral agent as far as I'm concerned.
Believe and express what you like, but do you have to categorize all opposition as demonization? I guess social justice is your thing. Do you really expect to have a safe space on a debate forum?
You're just riled because you can't get in my head.
IOW, trolls gonna troll.
'dya ever think there might be a reason you're batting 55 out of 1000?
Making observations--the new "Demonization"

 

[Heyzeus]

Judge much?

Been there; done that. It sounds like you're still wrestling.

Did you even read my post?
I have yet to suggest that you're a demon.
You're a free moral agent as far as I'm concerned.
Believe and express what you like, but do you have to categorize all opposition as demonization? I guess social justice is your thing. Do you really expect to have a safe space on a debate forum?
You're just riled because you can't get in my head.
IOW, trolls gonna troll.
'dya ever think there might be a reason you're batting 55 out of 1000?
Making observations--the new "Demonization"

I do read the gibberish you post .. unfortunately - and you are unable to respond with anything coherent - so riled are you.

So back to the topic .. God's Word .. the deeds of Jesus in the OT.

To kill or not to kill .. babies for the sins of their parents.

My Jesus says do not kill. Your Jesus says "Slaughter the babies" .. Why would you accuse Jesus of such terrible things.

 

[Heyzeus]

is Lord and Saviour is the Jesus presented to us in the Holy Bible.

Which Jesus is your Lord and Saviour?

How do you determine who Jesus is? Since you do not accept the plenary inspiration of the entire canon of holy scripture.

Do you pick and choose what you are going to call "inspired"?

That is smorgasborg religion.

Yes .. it is true .. I do not take all of the Bible as the Literal word of God .. because much of it was not meant that way by the author .. and for many other reasons. This however does not make for a smorgasboard religion.

For example - I believe Jesus would not accept that mobs in a town go around and kill Children, Babies and the Unborn because some some of the people in a neighborhood were worshiping other Gods.

You on the other hand believe that this is the command of Jesus that we slaughter of all the babies and children in were towns where some of the neighbors of the parents of these children were worshiping other Gods.

My Jesus is consistent with the Teachings of the Prophet Jesus .. while alive on the earth .. Your Jesus is not .. it is a "smorgasboard" as you call it.

You are so confused that you can't figure out whether or not children, babies and fetuses should be killed for the actions of others - others not related to those babies and children.

You have defended killing those babies and children and fetuses claiming that they are sinners due to the actions of their neighbors - and for this the babies should be slaughtered - yet then turn around and say we shouldn't kill these babies.

What ever happened to "Love Neighbor as self" - What did these babies do that was so bad that they need to be ripped from their mothers arms .. or from their wombs and killed ?

 

[BarneyFife]

My Jesus is consistent with the Teachings of the Prophet Jesus .. while alive on the earth .. Your Jesus is not .. it is a "smorgasboard" as you call it.

There's no smorgasbord and I don't have a Jesus. There's only One.
And the Sovereign of the universe can do whatever He pleases with His creation and therefore property, Whose we are. I can't change that. He could zap us all and start all over if He wanted to. (But He won't because of His promises.)
Sorry you can't cope.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

My Jesus is consistent with the Teachings of the Prophet Jesus .. while alive on the earth .. Your Jesus is not .. it is a "smorgasboard" as you call it.

You believe that Jesus was a “Prophet?”......If you leave it at “That” , you are in BIG Trouble....If you can not say “Jesus is LORD ( God in the Flesh....God’s Son.....and your Savior ) That is proof that you do NOT have the Holy Spirit in you......You are “NONE of His.....”
Even the Hindus say that Jesus was .....” A” son of god .....You will never hear them say that Jesus was..... “ THE” Son Of God. Two simple word articles, yet your Eternal Fate is determined by which little article you Believe describes Jesus .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Acts 3:19 Acts 2:38 Acts 17:30 Matthew 3:2 Matthew 4:17 Luke 13:3 and many more places

I am aware of these verses....as I said , the conditions are these— KJV,and not just the word “repent”.....it’s “ repent of SINS to be Saved”..

Let me save you some time and trouble — you ain’t gonna Find it— it ain’t in there—- nowhere ....

Nobody in the Bible “ repented” from Sin like Judas did—- he even made RESTITUTION ! I think we ALL know where that man is today—— so much for “ Repentance “ being God’s Plan for Salvation.The “ Plan” for Salvation is to “Turn to God ( the True Repentance that leads to Salvation ) with Faith in Jesus Christ .....Plus Nothing..... God Bless....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The person who isn't changed by faith in God into a person who repents of their sin will not be saved when Jesus comes back.

Hebrews 10:26-27
26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.

There is no salvation without repentance from sin. Repentance has no value in earning a declaration of righteousness but it is a required outcome of faith in God that one must have in order to be saved from the just wages of that sin.

Your confused thinking in regard to Hebrews 10 has you confused about the entire Bible......Google “ Andrew Farley Hebrews 6 and 10” and see if his teaching does not make Perfect Sense....
To “ Repent” as far as Salvation goes , means NOT “turning FROM Sin” , but Turning “ TO” God.Just like God Said ....” All Of Those That TURN TO ME , with Faith in Jesus Christ— I will Save to the Uttermost!”

 

[Heyzeus]

There's no smorgasbord and I don't have a Jesus. There's only One.
And the Sovereign of the universe can do whatever He pleases with His creation and therefore property, Whose we are. I can't change that. He could zap us all and start all over if He wanted to. (But He won't because of His promises.)
Sorry you can't cope.

You are correct .. I do not believe that Jesus/God - is some flip flopping xenophobic, genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics and emotions.

But - if you wish to believe this about Jesus - that is your choice.

 

[Heyzeus]

You believe that Jesus was a “Prophet?”......If you leave it at “That” , you are in BIG Trouble....If you can not say “Jesus is LORD ( God in the Flesh....God’s Son.....and your Savior ) That is proof that you do NOT have the Holy Spirit in you......You are “NONE of His.....”
Even the Hindus say that Jesus was .....” A” son of god .....You will never hear them say that Jesus was..... “ THE” Son Of God. Two simple word articles, yet your Eternal Fate is determined by which little article you Believe describes Jesus .

I often state that Jesus is Lord .. but Jesus was also a Prophet. The reason for the use of the word Prophet - is to distinguish between the Jesus of the NT and the God of the Moses.

As far as "A son of God" vs "The son of God" - the Bible states that Jesus was the only "Son of Man" .. a God begotten of a human.
The Bible tells us that there are other "Son's of God" .. do you not believe the Bible ?

 

[justbyfaith]

I am aware of these verses....as I said , the conditions are these— KJV,and not just the word “repent”.....it’s “ repent of SINS to be Saved”..

See Ezekiel 33:12-20.

If you will read this passage and look, not at the actual words but at their meaning (i.e. what the passage teaches us), I believe that you will see that the passage in question teaches us that we are to repent of sins...that we are not to commit sins any more after we turn from them and become righteous.

I think that therefore you owe me $1,000.

How do you want to pay up (because I think that I can use the money)?

 

[justbyfaith]

I often state that Jesus is Lord .. but Jesus was also a Prophet. The reason for the use of the word Prophet - is to distinguish between the Jesus of the NT and the God of the Moses.

As far as "A son of God" vs "The son of God" - the Bible states that Jesus was the only "Son of Man" .. a God begotten of a human.
The Bible tells us that there are other "Son's of God" .. do you not believe the Bible ?

You must confess that Jesus is "the" Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5, Mark 12:29), and that Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).

It is in this context that you must confess that Jesus is the Lord if you are going to prove that you have the Holy Ghost.

 

[Heyzeus]

You must confess that Jesus is "the" Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5, Mark 12:29), and that Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).

It is in this context that you must confess that Jesus is the Lord if you are going to prove that you have the Holy Ghost.

Who has the Holy Ghost ? Is that kind of like having a tiger by the tail ?

Why are you misrepresenting scripture ? The passage does not say Jesus is the Lord .. the passage says "Jesus is Lord" - but why would this matter ?

You then further misrepresent scripture by claiming Matt 11 claims that Jesus is "the Father" - it says no such thing.

Matt 11: 25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth,

Jesus is praising the Father .. not claiming to be the Father.. Jesus is referring to the Father as someone other than himself.

Why would you misrepresent scripture like you have -in an effort to deceive ?

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus in Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, claims that the Father is "the Lord of heaven and earth".

There is only one Lord (Mark 12:29, Ephesians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6).

No one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

1Co 12:3 (kjv), Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Make your own conclusions.

You have itching ears if you turn away from the kjv to another, watered-down, translation on this (see 2 Timothy 4:1-5).

 

[justbyfaith]

See also posts #1-#6 in the following thread:

True Trinity.

 

[Heyzeus]

Jesus in Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, claims that the Father is "the Lord of heaven and earth".

There is only one Lord (Mark 12:29, Ephesians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6).

No one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

Make your own conclusions.

Not sure as to why you continue to misrepresent scripture .. as said to you previously Matt 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

Your claim that Jesus states that he is "the Father" in this passage is a preposterous falsehood. Jesus does no such thing.

 

[justbyfaith]

Not sure as to why you continue to misrepresent scripture .. as said to you previously Matt 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

Your claim that Jesus states that he is "the Father" in this passage is a preposterous falsehood. Jesus does no such thing.

He claims that the Father is the Lord (of heaven and earth).

There is one Lord in holy scripture (Mark 12:29, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:5).

No one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

You have already made the conclusion from this that I am saying that Jesus is the Father by these scriptures.

I just want to let you know that it is not me that is saying this to you; but that rather it is the testimony of holy scripture.

1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Here is a mandate for a biblical hermeneutic in which we can be taught by the Holy Spirit.

Note, clearly, that those who do not have spiritual minds (who are not born again) will reject the testimony of the Holy Ghost when this hermeneutic is used to prove a point.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Your confused thinking in regard to Hebrews 10 has you confused about the entire Bible......Google “ Andrew Farley Hebrews 6 and 10” and see if his teaching does not make Perfect Sense....
To “ Repent” as far as Salvation goes , means NOT “turning FROM Sin” , but Turning “ TO” God.Just like God Said ....” All Of Those That TURN TO ME , with Faith in Jesus Christ— I will Save to the Uttermost!”

Turning from sin IS turning to God. You do an about face from sin and turn towards God.

Acts 26:18 I am sending you to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.

Acts 26:20 I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

We got a whole church now that thinks turning to God doesn't mean turning from your sins. A change of mind without a change of behavior is not a change of mind.

 

[BarneyFife]

I often state that Jesus is Lord .. but Jesus was also a Prophet. The reason for the use of the word Prophet - is to distinguish between the Jesus of the NT and the God of the Moses.

As far as "A son of God" vs "The son of God" - the Bible states that Jesus was the only "Son of Man" .. a God begotten of a human.
The Bible tells us that there are other "Son's of God" .. do you not believe the Bible ?

Speaking of hypocritical, how can you ask someone if they doubt the Bible while you pick and choose what you want to believe from it?

But - if you wish to believe this about Jesus - that is your choice.

Now we're getting somewhere. We're all just free men who have the choice to believe as we see fit. Religious liberty is the greatest thing worth dying or living for. If you want to believe God is hidden somewhere in the Bible for only smart people to find, you can be sure there are many of us who would die for your right to do so.