The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[Heyzeus]

Why should we listen to any Scripture you post or talk about, when you ignore the ones you don't want to be true?

You are projecting your issues onto others. You are the one who has been ignoring and running from scripture you don't want to be true.
Don't try to put your failings onto me.

I tackle scripture I don't like directly. You have forced yourself to live in a world of denial by accepting the literalist position.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Now faith gives the believer assurance through the word of God.

Faith gives the assurance that something really is true. From there you either accept or reject what faith is showing you to be true. Faith in and of itself does not prove you are justified. It doesn't mean you're trusting in it. It only means God has revealed to you what is really true. Besides, the Bible plainly says that what you do is what proves you are a true believer and gives assurance of your salvation and that you are ready to stand in the judgment. So this isn't even a matter of debate. It plainly says that. The church has decided to not believe what the Bible says. Go figure.

 

[Heyzeus]

Corinth, Philippi, Collossae, Thessalonica....are located in Turkey.

They are not cities located on remote islands in Greece.

Prove your claim. And I never stated anything about Islands.

Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians, abbreviation Corinthians, either of two New Testament letters, or epistles, addressed by St.Paul the Apostle to the Christian community that he had founded at Corinth, Greece. The First Letter of Paul to the Corinthians and The Second Letter of Paul to the Corinthians are the seventh and eighth books of the New Testament canon.

Letters of Paul to the Corinthians | Summary, Historical Context, & Facts

You are simply wrong - and appear to be just making things up as you go.

 

[brightfame52]

RUBBISH. Those who were never saved cannot become "unsaved".
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You call scripture testimony rubbish

 

[brightfame52]

Faith gives the assurance that something really is true. From there you either accept or reject what faith is showing you to be true. Faith in and of itself does not prove you are justified. It doesn't mean you're trusting in it. It only means God has revealed to you what is really true. Besides, the Bible plainly says that what you do is what proves you are a true believer and gives assurance of your salvation and that you are ready to stand in the judgment. So this isn't even a matter of debate. It plainly says that. The church has decided to not believe what the Bible says. Go figure.

You sound confused. Faith gives assurance.

 

[Heyzeus]

If obeying The Sermon on the Mount is God’s Recipe for Salvation, why did Jesus die on the Cross?
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Jesus died on the cross so that our sins could be forgiven. This does not mean you have a fee pass through the pearly gates. .. you still have to pass judgement.

Do you believe you have a free pass ?

If you slide through that one, and no doubt, you will .....please answer me this....if you ever have feelings of Lust in your heart, you are the equal of an Adulterer in God's Eyes and if you break just ONE Commandment you are as guilty before God as the man who has broken them all. A normal , honest man , with ANY brains and self-insight would be forced to admit that he can’t attain God’s Standard —- he would see himself as a Lost Sinner who needed a Savior and cry out like the Publican did —- “ Lord, have Mercy In me, a Sinner”.....
“NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit draw him”. The Spirit “ draws men to God “ By Convicting Them Of Sin”. Only God, By sending you the Holy Spirit That can give you a Contrite Heart , can give you “ eyes to see and ears to hear” . Have you ever seen the need to pray the prayer that the Publican prayed? The whole Purpose Of The Sermon on the Mount was to drive you to your knees and get you to cry out for the Mercy you so desperately need. Without His Grace and Mercy you are as Hell- Bound as I “ used” to be......I can guarantee you that I used to be a bigger sinner than you ever dreamed of being, and I still ain't nothing to brag about, but God gave me something you don’t seem to have yet—- a Contrite Heart. You will NOT make it to Heaven without one.I Guarantee That

Now you are rambling on about your own personal man made dogma - in an effort to avoid addressing the teachings of Jesus in this Sermon.

Jesus says "Not all who call Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven = "not all people of Faith will enter the Kingdom"

"Only the one who does the will of the Father" - What is "the will of the Father" according to Jesus in this Sermon ? - and why are you desperate to avoid and deflect from the teachings of Jesus in this sermon ?

Last - The majority of Christianity rejects Sola Fide - are you claiming that the majority of Christianity is wrong ?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You sound confused. Faith gives assurance.

Yes, faith gives assurance OF WHAT IS TRUE ABOUT SALVATION. It does not give assurance that you're actually participating in that salvation. Your works are what does that. That is what the Bible says.

 

[Cooper]

You call scripture testimony rubbish

No! I was quoting you.

 

[ChristisGod]

What is difficult to understand here ? "Faith alone" dogma was not part of Christianity until Martin Luther.

its all over the bible which books are you missing ?

 

[farouk]

its all over the bible which books are you missing ?

@Christophany John's First Epistle is strong on the believer's assurance.

 

[Heyzeus]

its all over the bible which books are you missing ?

Do you know what the word "Dogma" means ? Faith alone was not part of Christian Dogma until Martin Luther.

All of Christian doctrine prior to this time believed that works were part of the salvation formulation.

What part of "Christians did not believe in Sola Fide prior to Luther" do you not understand ?

 

[ChristisGod]

Do you know what the word "Dogma" means ? Faith alone was not part of Christian Dogma until Martin Luther.

All of Christian doctrine prior to this time believed that works were part of the salvation formulation.

What part of "Christians did not believe in Sola Fide prior to Luther" do you not understand ?

no faith alone goes back to ABRAHAM, please READ YOUR BIBLE with UNDERSTANDING.

 

[farouk]

no faith alone goes back to ABRAHAM, please READ YOUR BIBLE with UNDERSTANDING.

@Christophany Hebrews 11 has a great list of Old Testament saints who lived by faith. :)

 

[Heyzeus]

no faith alone goes back to ABRAHAM, please READ YOUR BIBLE with UNDERSTANDING.

No it doesn't .. - and quit projecting your inability to understand scripture on to me. You have consistently run from scripture which goes contrary to Faith Alone.

Your claim that "faith alone" doctrine was practiced by Abraham - is unsupported patent nonsense on Steroids.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

no faith alone goes back to ABRAHAM, please READ YOUR BIBLE with UNDERSTANDING.

What he's getting at is this......

James 2:
24As you can see (using Abraham's example), a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

James is not saying a man is MADE righteous by his deeds. And I think H. would acknowledge that.

 

[Heyzeus]

@Christophany Hebrews 11 has a great list of Old Testament saints who lived by faith. :)

Of course the Israelites had faith in God. What is wrong with you ? This has nothing to do with "Faith Alone" Doctrine .. that mere faith that Jesus died to wash away sin -gets one through the pearly gates.

You are completely lost.

 

[ChristisGod]

Of course the Israelites had faith in God. What is wrong with you ? This has nothing to do with "Faith Alone" Doctrine .. that mere faith that Jesus died to wash away sin -gets one through the pearly gates.

You are completely lost.

faith alone just as in Christ alone, in Scripture alone- nothing else.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

@Christophany Hebrews 11 has a great list of Old Testament saints who lived by faith. :)

The hiccup comes at the 'LIVED' by faith part. The church thinks you do not have to live by faith to be saved when Jesus comes back, just that you have faith. That's not what James said.

 

[ChristisGod]

Of course the Israelites had faith in God. What is wrong with you ? This has nothing to do with "Faith Alone" Doctrine .. that mere faith that Jesus died to wash away sin -gets one through the pearly gates.

You are completely lost.

I don't think you have any clue regarding the sheep and the goats, the wheat and the tares, the saved and the lost, those on His right and those on His left, the righteous and the sinner, those in the light and those in darkness, those in the kingdom of God and those in the kingdom of this world, those who serve Christ and those who serve the god of this world.......................

 

[farouk]

The hiccup comes at the 'LIVED' by faith part. The church thinks you do not have to live by faith to be saved when Jesus comes back, just that you have faith. That's not what James said.

Faith merely professed is not true faith anyway.

But salvation is indeed "not of works" (Ephesians 2.9); this cannot be emphasized enough.