The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[justbyfaith]

Peter wrote his 1st epistle to Bithynia and Galatia (1 Peter 1:1).

Galatia was deeply influenced by Paul (as per his epistle to the Galatians).

Bithynia was not (the Holy Ghost forbad Paul to preach to them in Acts of the Apostles 16:7).

On the map, Bithynia is located where the Eastern Orthodox Church would be developed.

Galatia was located further to the west.

 

[justbyfaith]

in the main nation Paul was preaching to "if you answered Greece" you would be correct.

That would be incorrect...as can be seen by looking at any Bible map that shows Paul's missionary journeys.

The correct answer is Turkey and Italy.

 

[Heyzeus]

sometimes it happens when you cast pearls....................

What pearls .. all you did was run from scripture - The will of the Father is explained in the Sermon on the Mount .. but all you can do is close ears, eyes, nose in order to avoid the teachings of Jesus in this Sermon .. and the explanation of Jesus what the Will of the Father is in this Sermon.

NO NO NO you cry .. and go running to other parts of the Bible .. name calling as you go as you run from the playground to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial.

 

[Heyzeus]

That would be incorrect...as can be seen by looking at any Bible map that shows Paul's missionary journeys.

The correct answer is Turkey and Italy.

' Peter wrote his 1st epistle to Bithynia and Galatia (1 Peter 1:1).

Galatia was deeply influenced by Paul (as per his epistle to the Galatians).

Bithynia was not (the Holy Ghost forbad Paul to preach to them in Acts of the Apostles 16:7).

On the map, Bithynia is located where the Eastern Orthodox Church would be developed.

Galatia was located further to the west.

That's nice .. but we are talking Paul . .and Greece .. as in "The Corinthians" "The Phillipeans" Collosians - Thessalonians

These Greeks were a large part of the early Pauline Church.. you claiming otherwise is preposterous nonsense on Steroids.

Unaware you are ... of Church History.

 

[ChristisGod]

What pearls .. all you did was run from scripture - The will of the Father is explained in the Sermon on the Mount .. but all you can do is close ears, eyes, nose in order to avoid the teachings of Jesus in this Sermon .. and the explanation of Jesus what the Will of the Father is in this Sermon.

NO NO NO you cry .. and go running to other parts of the Bible .. name calling as you go as you run from the playground to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial.

matthew is not scripture..................next

not Jesus words.....................next

 

[justbyfaith]

That's nice .. but we are talking Paul . .and Greece .. as in "The Corinthians" "The Phillipeans" Collosians - Thessalonians

These Greeks were a large part of the early Pauline Church.. you claiming otherwise is preposterous nonsense on Steroids.

Unaware you are ... of Church History.

Corinth, Philippi, Collossae, Thessalonica....are located in Turkey.

They are not cities located on remote islands in Greece.

 

[Renniks]

The heart wasn't right. The saved heart understands and bears fruit. That's pretty simple

The initial joy is a fruit of salvation. It says nothing about whether there is fruit, you are just adding stuff.

 

[Renniks]

You refused to answer - and are in the land of self delusion. You did not address attempt to explain "the will of the Father" using the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the mount.

Instead you ignore these teachings - desperate to avoid them by posting scripture that is NOT - the Sermon on the Mount.

OK .. were done..

Why should we listen to any Scripture you post or talk about, when you ignore the ones you don't want to be true?

 

[brightfame52]

The initial joy is a fruit of salvation. It says nothing about whether there is fruit, you are just adding stuff.

No it is not

 

[farouk]

The heart wasn't right. The saved heart understands and bears fruit. That's pretty simple

@brightfame52 Didn't read all the previous posts but this is indeed a good principle.

 

[farouk]

faith gives the believer assurance through the word of God.

Indeed so.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

What pearls .. all you did was run from scripture - The will of the Father is explained in the Sermon on the Mount .. but all you can do is close ears, eyes, nose in order to avoid the teachings of Jesus in this Sermon .. and the explanation of Jesus what the Will of the Father is in this Sermon.

NO NO NO you cry .. and go running to other parts of the Bible .. name calling as you go as you run from the playground to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial.

If obeying The Sermon on the Mount is God’s Recipe for Salvation, why did Jesus die on the Cross? If you slide through that one, and no doubt, you will .....please answer me this....if you ever have feelings of Lust in your heart, you are the equal of an Adulterer in God's Eyes and if you break just ONE Commandment you are as guilty before God as the man who has broken them all. A normal , honest man , with ANY brains and self-insight would be forced to admit that he can’t attain God’s Standard —- he would see himself as a Lost Sinner who needed a Savior and cry out like the Publican did —- “ Lord, have Mercy In me, a Sinner”.....
“NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit draw him”. The Spirit “ draws men to God “ By Convicting Them Of Sin”. Only God, By sending you the Holy Spirit That can give you a Contrite Heart , can give you “ eyes to see and ears to hear” . Have you ever seen the need to pray the prayer that the Publican prayed? The whole Purpose Of The Sermon on the Mount was to drive you to your knees and get you to cry out for the Mercy you so desperately need. Without His Grace and Mercy you are as Hell- Bound as I “ used” to be......I can guarantee you that I used to be a bigger sinner than you ever dreamed of being, and I still ain't nothing to brag about, but God gave me something you don’t seem to have yet—- a Contrite Heart. You will NOT make it to Heaven without one.I Guarantee That .

 

[Cooper]

APOSTASY; APOSTATE

I.e. a falling away, a withdrawal, a defection. Not found in the English Versions of the Bible, but used twice in the New Testament, in the Greek original, to express abandonment of the faith. Paul was falsely accused of teaching the Jews apostasy from Moses (Acts 21:21); he predicted the great apostasy from Christianity, foretold by Jesus (Matthew 24:10-12) which would precede "the day of the Lord" (2 Thessalonians 2:2). Apostasy, not in name but in fact, meets scathing rebuke in the Epistle of Jude, e.g. the apostasy of angels (Jude 1:6). Foretold, with warnings, as sure to abound in the latter days (1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 2 Peter 3:17). Causes of: persecution (Matthew 24:9,10); false teachers (Matthew 24:11); temptation (Luke 8:13); worldliness (2 Timothy 4:4); defective knowledge of Christ (1John 2:19); moral lapse (Hebrews 6:4-6); forsaking worship and spiritual living (Hebrews 10:25-31); unbelief (Hebrews 3:12). Biblical examples: Saul (1 Samuel 15:11); Amaziah (2 Chronicles 25:14,27); many disciples (John 6:66); Hymeneus and Alexander (1 Timothy 1:19,20); Demas (2 Timothy 4:10). For further illustration see Deuteronomy 13:13; Zec 1:4-6; Galatians 5:4; 2 Peter 2:20,21.

Apostasy; Apostate - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
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[Renniks]

No it is not

Again this is Eisegesis ..the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. Show me where the text says they were never saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Men fall away because they had no true root in the Love and Grace of God but merely a bare profession Lk 8:13

They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Matt 13:20,21

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

stony places means a heart of stone, uncircumcised heart. God in new birth takes away the stone heart Ezk 36:26

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

So those who fall away were never born again believers ! Their falling away evidences that !

 

[Cooper]

So those who fall away were never born again believers ! Their falling away evidences that !

RUBBISH. Those who were never saved cannot become "unsaved".

You actually confirm they were never born again believers in your post.

The warnings against backsliding are given to BELIEVERS. Unbelievers CANNOT backslide.
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[Heyzeus]

sometimes it happens when you cast pearls....................

I do not share your belief that ignoring, avoiding, and mischaracterizing the teachings of Jesus is "casting pearls" .

 

[Heyzeus]

Huh. All this is french to me.

What is difficult to understand here ? "Faith alone" dogma was not part of Christianity until Martin Luther.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

God imputed righteousness to Abraham apart from Abraham being willing to offer his son in Genesis 15:6, would you agree?

Yes, God imputed righteousness to Abraham when he believed God's promise. And so he was justified by what he believed. And he showed that he had that imputation of righteousness by what he did by sacrificing Isaac on the altar. And so he was justified by what he did. This is the example James uses to show that a person is not justified by faith alone but by works too. The person who isn't justified by what he does is not saved. He has no imputation of righteousness by which he can then produce works that justify. Faith alone is dead faith. Dead faith can not save. That's what James said, not me.

 

[Heyzeus]

That would be incorrect...as can be seen by looking at any Bible map that shows Paul's missionary journeys.

The correct answer is Turkey and Italy.

Your claim that Paul did not preach to the Greeks is abject nonsense.