The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[justbyfaith]

Who is the Church of Paul ? If you answered Eastern Orthodox .. you would be correct

You would be incorrect:

Paul was forbidden to preach at Bythinia...which was in the eastern section of Europe...while he was told to go to Macedonia...which was in the west.

why does the Church of Paul not accept this doctrine ..

The church of Paul (that was established in the west) does in fact accept the doctrine of sola fide.

 

[HisLife]

OK .. good start .. but what about Matt7:21 what is "The Will of the Father" - you have one thing ... but there are many others.
If you did however one one verse that sums the whole thing up... Matt 7:12

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. If you look to Mathew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. which takes us back to my original post

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The work of God is that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Without God you can do nothing, It comes out of Love for Jesus

 

[Renniks]

Yeah they were never saved, did you read Lk 8:13

Yes where does it say they were not saved?

 

[Heyzeus]

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. If you look to Mathew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. which takes us back to my original post

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The work of God is that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Without God you can do nothing, It comes out of Love for Jesus

What does John 6 have to do with this .. what part of .. "From the Sermon on the Mount" is so difficult .. and your quote from Matt supports my claim.. but is not from the sermon on the mount.

The "Will of the Father" is what - according to Jesus "IN THIS SERMON" - Last Sunday .. the Preacher talked about THIS.

Whats wrong with you .... give your head a shake .. why are you avoiding the teachings of Jesus as per this Sermon ?

and what part of .. Eastern Orthodox does not accept this flawed man made doctrine - is not sinking into your head.

Do you seriously think this is for nothing .. This Church dates back to Jesus .. your doctrine dates back to Martin Luther .. as serious Church Doctrine.

Even the Lutheran Church .. while not overtly .. waffles on strict Sola Fide - "Faith Alone" - but talk to one who has been through the Seminary - and definitely at higher levels - no serious Lutheran Theologian is not going to waffle at least a bit on strict interpretation.

The food for the sheep is not quite as refined as the food for the theologians - and this is unfortunate ..

So to just step back for a brief moment - no need to defend your position - a respite - slight switch of perspective.

Realistically - you to me .. just as a person .. a citizen of earth .. is there such a thing as integrity .. and honor .. and respect for one's codes - what ever those codes may be - (even barbarians have something) - observance of the Golden Rule in general .. both pos and negative.

Is this of no value ? or do you yourself .. value people differently - how do you value people ? Is the whole grade given on the basis of whether or not that person has "Faith" ? Or does that other crazy stuff I mentioned previously factor into the equation.

Clearly this is a trick question .. as if you answer Only Faith - you are lying to yourself. but its not really a trick at all..

Proof of Claim: Take 10 people of faith .. you have a job opening for one of them .. your decision is made on the basis of ? .. perhaps some of the above stuff mentioned.

Now consider that .. Not all who call Lord Lord - will enter the kingdom - only the one who does the will of the Father. Matt 7:21

Yes .. the passage you are running from .. desperately wanting to Jump to something else..

1) who is Jesus referring to in the first statement
2) for the 30th time I have asked this in this forum .. and no strict Sola Fide adherent has yet to answer - the Will of the Father as per this Sermon.

Tough questions ? I don't think so. .. Assignment not Clear ? I don't think so..

So what is the problem /

 

[justbyfaith]

and what part of .. Eastern Orthodox does not accept this flawed man made doctrine - is not sinking into your head.

The Eastern Orthodox Church did not have the advantage of Paul's preaching but were only privy to the epistles written by Peter.

 

[Heyzeus]

The Eastern Orthodox Church did not have the advantage of Paul's preaching but were only privy to the epistles written by Peter.

What ? - this is just nonsense .. The Eastern Orthodox Church .. "IS" the Church and the People that Paul was Preaching to .. The Greeks ..
as in the Greek Orthodox Church which dates its roots to the time of Paul ..


What on earth are you talking about .. ?? The Easter orthodox Church was there from the Beginning .. You are confusing this perhaps with the Church of Jerusalem..

 

[HisLife]

What does John 6 have to do with this ..

It has to do with the will of God and it obviously set you off into a mad man so I guess It hit the nail on the head, You obviously have a problem with Scripture so you pick and choose What parts you want to make your own thories...The sermon on the Mount showed the Rightousness of God And how far you fall short of it, As an example you preach loving others then go mad when people dont agree with you, It shows how much you fail your own standard, It shows you need another Way, Grace! Through Faith in the finished Work of Jesus

 

[Heyzeus]

You would be incorrect:
The church of Paul (that was established in the west) does in fact accept the doctrine of sola fide.

You have no clue about Church History .. Eastern Orthodox was the Church of Paul - along with what we now know as Catholic - up until Martin Luther .. round the 1400's the "universal Church" .. united up until round 1000 AD .. the Great Schism - where the Church split along east and west ..

So Catholocism was Established in the West .. and they don't accept Sola Fide Either.. But as stated previously .. Your claim that the Eastern Orthodox Church .. that founded by Paul .. in the main nation Paul was preaching to "if you answered Greece" you would be correct.

That Church Still exists - and dates back to the time of Paul - in Greece (and of course this spread to numerous other nations) .. Greece - as in the Greek Orthodox Church.

Go read some history.. you are way out of your depth.

 

[ChristisGod]

You have no clue about Church History .. Eastern Orthodox was the Church of Paul - along with what we now know as Catholic - up until Martin Luther .. round the 1400's the "universal Church" .. united up until round 1000 AD .. the Great Schism - where the Church split along east and west ..

So Catholocism was Established in the West .. and they don't accept Sola Fide Either.. But as stated previously .. Your claim that the Eastern Orthodox Church .. that founded by Paul .. in the main nation Paul was preaching to "if you answered Greece" you would be correct.

That Church Still exists - and dates back to the time of Paul - in Greece (and of course this spread to numerous other nations) .. Greece - as in the Greek Orthodox Church.

Go read some history.. you are way out of your depth.

church history is definitely not your cup of tea.

you are way in over your head....................

 

[Heyzeus]

It has to do with the will of God and it obviously set you off into a mad man so I guess It hit the nail on the head, You obviously have a problem with Scripture so you pick and choose What parts you want to make your own thories...The sermon on the Mount showed the Rightousness of God And how far you fall short of it, As an example you preach loving others then go mad when people dont agree with you, It shows how much you fail your own standard, It shows you need another Way, Grace! Through Faith in the finished Work of Jesus

"As per the Sermon on the Mount" Matt 5-7

What is so difficult here .. John 6 is not part of the Sermon on the Mount. Do you not understand this ?

 

[Heyzeus]

church history is definitely not your cup of tea.

you are way in over your head....................

Quit name calling from the peanut gallery - jumping into a conversation - and not even saying what on earth you are talking about.

What did I get wrong - what a joke of a post .. and while in a puddle on the floor murmuring to yourself .. do try to quiet down.

 

[ChristisGod]

Quit name calling from the peanut gallery - jumping into a conversation - and not even saying what on earth you are talking about.

What did I get wrong - what a joke of a post .. and while in a puddle on the floor murmuring to yourself .. do try to quiet down.

where do we start with you ?

859 wrong posts and counting....................

hope this helps !!!

 

[Heyzeus]

where do we start with you ?

859 wrong posts and counting....................

hope this helps !!!

LOL .. yes .. of course .. denial to the max - talking in completely black vs white terms .. anyone who disagrees with any point of your perspective is immediately wrong .. :)

Yes .. it helps greatly .. not much anyone can teach to someone who knows it all .. kind of impossible really .. nothing more to learn you have... now go in Peace - padawan ..

 

[ChristisGod]

PWN3D

 

[HisLife]

"As per the Sermon on the Mount" Matt 5-7

What is so difficult here .. John 6 is not part of the Sermon on the Mount. Do you not understand this ?

I answered but you can't accept it, not my problem

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Heyzeus]

I answered but you can't accept it, not my problem

v.

You refused to answer - and are in the land of self delusion. You did not address attempt to explain "the will of the Father" using the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the mount.

Instead you ignore these teachings - desperate to avoid them by posting scripture that is NOT - the Sermon on the Mount.

OK .. were done..

 

[ChristisGod]

I answered but you can't accept it, not my problem

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

sometimes it happens when you cast pearls....................

 

[brightfame52]

No, I don't believe that. The point is, you didn't realize that you saying that having faith is what gives you assurance that you are justified/saved means the demons who believe have assurance that they are justified/saved. I showed you the Bible says your works give you the assurance of your salvation. You said that's not true. I'm going with the Bible on this one. So should you.

Good I'm not interested in talking about demons. I'm about Christ and Him crucified . Now faith gives the believer assurance through the word of God.

 

[brightfame52]

You are repeating yourself .. Sola Fide is flawed doctrine .. for numerous reasons .. which is why this doctrine is not accepted by either Orthodox or Catholic (I care not about Catholic but they do not accept this doctrine either) Who is the Church of Paul ? If you answered Eastern Orthodox .. you would be correct .. who managed to avoid the sins of the Church during the 1000 years of Horror when these nut jobs got power .. Again EO you would be correct.

Who does not accept certain aspects of the Catholic Trinity Doctrine .. correct

So you tell me .. what's going on here .. If "Sola Fide" is so great .. why does the Church of Paul not accept this doctrine .. and citing one passage from Hebrews .. that does not even address the issue..

Unless you know a whole lot about Jewish Christian Sect Colloquialisms -- and I am talking the Church of Jerusalem - do you know to understand what Paul could possibly mean by "Dead Works" .. does this refer to all works .. or is there more to this story than some vauge diction that you hope might support Martins Man Made Doctrine ... a quite unsavory fellow he was .. not a follower of Christ.

Your support for claim just doesn't cut it .. Stack this one vague passage up ... against the huge number of Passages where Jesus (not Paul) conflicts with Sola Fide We have a whole Sermon on the issue Matt 5-7 What is the Will of the Father .. and no .. you are not allowed to go outside this Sermon.

Huh. All this is french to me.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes where does it say they were not saved?

The heart wasn't right. The saved heart understands and bears fruit. That's pretty simple