So then Christs death in and of itself does not perfect the ones He died for. Is that what you believe ?
The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS
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It is only applied to those who believe in Him. This is the basic message of John 3:16 and the whole entire Bible.
Justified by Faith is for the good of the justified one, Faith gives them a spiritual knowledge and assurance in regards to their Justification ! Heb 11:1
So then, Christs blood in and of itself does not apply salvation, but mans act of faith or believing . Is that what you are saying ? I just want to be sure.
That's what I'm saying.
So then, Christs blood in and of itself does not apply salvation, but mans act of faith or believing . Is that what you are saying ? I just want to be sure.
The Bible says that if we believe Jesus is the Son Of God, you are “ abiding in Him”...... please Study your Bible ....at least get the basics right....
I do what God ordered me to do.....I follow Paul as he follows Christ.....
Luther’s commentaries on Romans and Galatians restored the Lost Messages Of
Paul to the Church.....they are inspired and brilliant .His later commentaries were clearly “ off the rails” and I ignore them...just like I do you, most of the time....
Grace is what covers ALL of my sins so I can never go to Hell for any reason...not since becoming a Member Of The Body Of Christ.....how did I get in that “ Body” that guarantees that I will NEVER come under condemnation? Why did I get a Guarantee That Promises me that I can’t lose the GIFT of Salvation and will “ be Saved to the Uttermost ?” I received it by Resting in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4......others should do the same....
Faith appropriates the blood; which in and of itself applies salvation to us when we appropriate it to our lives by faith.
Of course, the sure result of abiding is that we "sin not" (1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17).
And sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).
So that would mean that when we abide in Christ through faith, we will become perpetual law-keepers.
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So I must conclude that you don't believe the blood of Christ in and of itself applies salvation to those it was shed for. You believe instead that man's act of faith or believing does. That's salvation by works, by what man does. Believing is a act of man which is a work.
So I must conclude that you don't believe the blood of Christ in and of itself applies salvation to those it was shed for. You believe instead that man's act of faith or believing does. That's salvation by works, by what man does. Believing is a act of man which is a work.
No; faith in Jesus isn't works.
Just look at Ephesians 2:8-9.
Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If faith is a work, then in being saved by grace through faith I would be saved by works; and such an idea is contrary to what we find in the above passage of holy scripture. For I am saved by grace through faith; but I am not saved by works. If faith is a work then I am saved by faith as a work and therefore am saved by works; but verse 9 denies that such a concept can even be the reality.
So, you say, what of John 6:28-29?
Jesus is saying, in effect, So, you want to insist that you are saved by works? Well, if that is the case, then I will change it up on you and say that faith is a work and that it is the only work that will save you.
But that faith is not normally a work is evident in Ephesians 2:8-9 in what I have already said about it.
Therefore, in John 6:28-29, Jesus is basically using a literary tactic in order to deal with people who are unreasonable in their insistence that they will be saved by their works.
He brings it down to the nitty-gritty and shows that simple faith (in the One whom the Lord hath sent) is the only means of salvation.
When you make believing a condition of the application of justification/salvation then you make it a work.
Ferris Bueller
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The point is, just saying you believe isn't good enough to know you are justified in Christ and ready for the judgment. The Bible tells us our works show us if we're justified in Christ and ready for the judgment. The church has soundly rejected this teaching in the Bible. It's to the point now they can't even see it. Their eyes and their minds just glaze right over it.
The eternal security of the saints has always been secured since the credit of it belongs to Gods power in preserving them. They who endure to the end have Gods preserving them to Thank ! Matt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
The enduring to the end is a evidence of having been preserved by God !
Prov 2:8
He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
The enduring to the end is a evidence of having been preserved by God !
Prov 2:8
He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
Yeah thats fine as long as you understand that believing there is the fruit of the Spirit. Its when people make believing a product from the mind of the natural man, to make it a condition to Justification, that it becomes a work salvation issue !
Ferris Bueller
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No, the obedience of loving others is what gives you assurance in regards to your justification and that you are ready for the judgment.
1 John 4:17
love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.
1 John 3:18
let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19We will know by this that we are of the truth
Ferris Bueller
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Believing is a choice.
Acts 2:40
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
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