The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[Heyzeus]

Mt St Helens in 1980 destroys your humanism, atheism, darwinism...............and all your fake dates just like the fake news of today.

Well.. we went through that .. and you were completely wrong. Radiometric dating of Geology (which was not proven false by your article from creation.com .. but this matters not) has no bearing on the archaeology and certainly not on History

Lost you are on this one .. but why cherry pick just this example .. repeating the same refuted vomit as last time.

I provided Scriptural evidence that the Word of God .. is sometimes not "The word of God" :) how about you address this - while continuing to believe that God or Satan planted all the proof that the global flood didn't happen.

So Yes .. God did it .. why not .. he has the power of teleportation .. and God is the author of idiocy .. why not - sounds like a fine foundation to me .. real solid ..

How about the scripture - Deut 32:43 Please post from your Bible what it says :)

 

[Heyzeus]

As I said... WOT.

Look .. I understand that you have been reduced to mumbling gibberish to yourself .. and that is fine .. but please do it out of earshot.. its a bit painful to watch.

 

[ChristisGod]

Well.. we went through that .. and you were completely wrong. Radiometric dating of Geology (which was not proven false by your article from creation.com .. but this matters not) has no bearing on the archaeology and certainly not on History

Lost you are on this one .. but why cherry pick just this example .. repeating the same refuted vomit as last time.

I provided Scriptural evidence that the Word of God .. is sometimes not "The word of God" :) how about you address this - while continuing to believe that God or Satan planted all the proof that the global flood didn't happen.

So Yes .. God did it .. why not .. he has the power of teleportation .. and God is the author of idiocy .. why not - sounds like a fine foundation to me .. real solid ..

How about the scripture - Deut 32:43 Please post from your Bible what it says :)

game, set and match you are outwitted by real science , proof and evidence !

 

[Taken]

The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

Eternal Security Heresy- ???



2 John 1:
[2] For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

 

[Taken]

I understand

LOL

 

[Renniks]

Christianity is a holiness movement. But I know you mean a "holiness" church in the bad way that the Pentecostals have made Christianity.

The point is that " holiness" can't save you or keep you saved.
I can never be holy enough to deserve salvation.

 

[Renniks]

Much of the Bible is narrative and not even meant to be the word of God .. .. David sent so many troops out .. read Maccaabes sometime - Straight up history .. Ptolomy married Cleopatra .. Xerxes of Persia .. and so on .. narrating real historical events that happened

Maccabees isn't in the Protestant canon...

 

[Renniks]

The NT - good grief .. whole books were thrown out of the original .. Shepherd of Hermes .. Epistle of Barnabus -- are these no longer the word of God ?

No they aren't and never were.

 

[Renniks]

Do I have to believe that God teleported 2 Spectacled bears from South Africa - Polar Bears from the Arctic - Kangaroos from Australia to believe my version of the story ... Nope .. but you do.. You also have to believe that either God or Satan came after the fact and planted all the geological, archaeological, and historical "Proof" - to the contrary - unless one is able to completely throw out any semblance of logic and reason .. in which case - God still becomes the author of idiocy - which I personally do not believe he is.

Um, no not exactly. All you need is the different kinds of animals, not every variety. For example, you only need canines, not each coyote, fox, wolf etc.
And the "proof" is all in how you interpret the evidence. But I can see you don't really believe the Bible is inspired, so why would you believe Jesus died and was resurrected, for example?

 

[Heyzeus]

Um, no not exactly. All you need is the different kinds of animals, not every variety. For example, you only need canines, not each coyote, fox, wolf etc.
And the "proof" is all in how you interpret the evidence. But I can see you don't really believe the Bible is inspired, so why would you believe Jesus died and was resurrected, for example?

first post last here I think but a good question at the end !

but first - no .. biology doesn't work that way .. and if you want to get into a more serious conversation on this I happen to be a Microbiological Specialism :) .. with published papers of many.. but anyway .. 2100 -2300 BC we are talking .. 4300 years is a blink of an eye .. They can tell you how much neanderthal DNA you have . and the more you have the luckier you are .. less probability of disease .. no way you turn a Polar bear into a Spectacled bear .. and get him transported across the ocean .. in various directions .. all over the world in 4300 years .. and not find any trace of any of these species . .. in any of the other areas that they would have had to journey to to get where they were going.. NO kangaroo bones in Canada .. and so on over thousands of species.. all of which we can track genetically.

Mutations to another species do not happen that rapidly .. we know what kind of creatures were roaming around in Christs time .. have a plethora of records .. the history that we have of the world is massive .. NO sign of this happening over that time period .. yet .. go the same distance the other direction 2000 years .. and .. HUH ? NO .. and in fact we have records from much earlier than the common era .. what types of beasties there were out there . and so on .. what you are saying didnt happen..

but forget that .. what about the continuous culture throughout this time period - this time .. Zero is just the starting point .. We have huge amounts of history from Zero to 2300 BC - know dates very accurately -- There was continuous culture throughout the biblically stated time period .. didnt stop .. No evidence of anything like that happening at this time period .. sans .. After uniting the city states into the so called worlds first empire in 2350 BC Sargon of Akkad we have lots of history in this region .. we then have a dark age though around 2100 BC .. Which one could say well Maybe the flood hit there as this is the early edge of the envelope .. but no ..

After the dark age .. near 2000 - two empires now exist The Babylonians and Assyrians .. the of course you have the Egyptians and Hittites and Greeks and all these various other cultures that we know tons about from 2000 on down .. so no way you started at ground zero in 2100..

Didn't happen .. and 2300 .. while not linear .. is not far off that.. We have names of Kings and Pharaohs going back way further than this .. keeping in mind that we have near exact historical dating to 2000 .. some cases +/- a few years but gets rectified later when someone comes along that we do have an accurate date for ..

And we dig new stuff up every day. .. and things go way way further back than 2300 BC - No .. didn't happen too many people around the planet .. we haven't even gotten into history in South America .. China .. Europe .. and numerous other places around this time period .. massive cultures that did not suddenly come to an end through this time period .. and dating back well before this period.

Now if we want to include archaeology into the picture - and while Carbon Dating gets fuzzy if we are talking 25,000 years or some such thing .. it is pretty darn good dating something that is less than 10,000 years old .. and gets better as you go back .. and you get more replicate samples to - at some point - statistical precision.. especially when coupled and confirmed with other dating methods .. and other specimines.. associated with a big Volcano or some catastrophic event..

Look .. No - The Earth was a happening place in 2300 BC .. there was no big event that wiped these cultures out .. simultaneously .. same language .. same art .. same culture.. same customss .. and in this late of period "Same Writing" .. in a local area .. and this continues through.

No way this should happen if the culture was wiped off the map.. what replaces it is going to be different art .. language .. culture .. customes .. than prevously .. The next folks that come along to South America after a total wipe out .. are going to be completely different than the early SA societies .. which had a complete writing system by 900 BC .. later you had Inca Aztec Mayan and so on .. These new folks are going to have different artwork on their pottery .. different customs .. "Different Genetics" .. forgot about that one .. this is a huge problem .. we can trace genetics uniqueness way way back ..

all of these things should stop .. and when resume .. are completely different. and it simply doesn't happen.

 

[Heyzeus]

Maccabees isn't in the Protestant canon...

OK .. so now we have one Bible that says one thing .. and another that says another .. or can we just reject books at random ? claiming "That is not the word of God"

 

[Renniks]

first post last here I think but a good question at the end !

but first - no .. biology doesn't work that way .. and if you want to get into a more serious conversation on this I happen to be a Microbiological Specialism :) .. with published papers of many.. but anyway .. 2100 -2300 BC we are talking .. 4300 years is a blink of an eye .. They can tell you how much neanderthal DNA you have . and the more you have the luckier you are .. less probability of disease .. no way you turn a Polar bear into a Spectacled bear .. and get him transported across the ocean .. in various directions .. all over the world in 4300 years .. and not find any trace of any of these species . .. in any of the other areas that they would have had to journey to to get where they were going.. NO kangaroo bones in Canada .. and so on over thousands of species.. all of which we can track genetically.

Mutations to another species do not happen that rapidly .. we know what kind of creatures were roaming around in Christs time .. have a plethora of records .. the history that we have of the world is massive .. NO sign of this happening over that time period .. yet .. go the same distance the other direction 2000 years .. and .. HUH ? NO .. and in fact we have records from much earlier than the common era .. what types of beasties there were out there . and so on .. what you are saying didnt happen..

but forget that .. what about the continuous culture throughout this time period - this time .. Zero is just the starting point .. We have huge amounts of history from Zero to 2300 BC - know dates very accurately -- There was continuous culture throughout the biblically stated time period .. didnt stop .. No evidence of anything like that happening at this time period .. sans .. After uniting the city states into the so called worlds first empire in 2350 BC Sargon of Akkad we have lots of history in this region .. we then have a dark age though around 2100 BC .. Which one could say well Maybe the flood hit there as this is the early edge of the envelope .. but no ..

After the dark age .. near 2000 - two empires now exist The Babylonians and Assyrians .. the of course you have the Egyptians and Hittites and Greeks and all these various other cultures that we know tons about from 2000 on down .. so no way you started at ground zero in 2100..

Didn't happen .. and 2300 .. while not linear .. is not far off that.. We have names of Kings and Pharaohs going back way further than this .. keeping in mind that we have near exact historical dating to 2000 .. some cases +/- a few years but gets rectified later when someone comes along that we do have an accurate date for ..

And we dig new stuff up every day. .. and things go way way further back than 2300 BC - No .. didn't happen too many people around the planet .. we haven't even gotten into history in South America .. China .. Europe .. and numerous other places around this time period .. massive cultures that did not suddenly come to an end through this time period .. and dating back well before this period.

Now if we want to include archaeology into the picture - and while Carbon Dating gets fuzzy if we are talking 25,000 years or some such thing .. it is pretty darn good dating something that is less than 10,000 years old .. and gets better as you go back .. and you get more replicate samples to - at some point - statistical precision.. especially when coupled and confirmed with other dating methods .. and other specimines.. associated with a big Volcano or some catastrophic event..

Look .. No - The Earth was a happening place in 2300 BC .. there was no big event that wiped these cultures out .. simultaneously .. same language .. same art .. same culture.. same customss .. and in this late of period "Same Writing" .. in a local area .. and this continues through.

No way this should happen if the culture was wiped off the map.. what replaces it is going to be different art .. language .. culture .. customes .. than prevously .. The next folks that come along to South America after a total wipe out .. are going to be completely different than the early SA societies .. which had a complete writing system by 900 BC .. later you had Inca Aztec Mayan and so on .. These new folks are going to have different artwork on their pottery .. different customs .. "Different Genetics" .. forgot about that one .. this is a huge problem .. we can trace genetics uniqueness way way back ..

all of these things should stop .. and when resume .. are completely different. and it simply doesn't happen.

You never answered my question. And where does the Bible say when the flood happened?

Again, if it's all mythology, why believe in the resurrection?

 

[Renniks]

OK .. so now we have one Bible that says one thing .. and another that says another .. or can we just reject books at random ? claiming "That is not the word of God"

You don't believe God can guide the preservation of the essential Word?
Perhaps the history was important to early Jewish Christians, but not so much for later time periods.

 

[Renniks]

first post last here I think but a good question at the end !

but first - no .. biology doesn't work that way .. and if you want to get into a more serious conversation on this I happen to be a Microbiological Specialism :) .. with published papers of many.. but anyway .. 2100 -2300 BC we are talking .. 4300 years is a blink of an eye .. They can tell you how much neanderthal DNA you have . and the more you have the luckier you are .. less probability of disease .. no way you turn a Polar bear into a Spectacled bear .. and get him transported across the ocean .. in various directions .. all over the world in 4300 years .. and not find any trace of any of these species . .. in any of the other areas that they would have had to journey to to get where they were going.. NO kangaroo bones in Canada .. and so on over thousands of species.. all of which we can track genetically.

Mutations to another species do not happen that rapidly .. we know what kind of creatures were roaming around in Christs time .. have a plethora of records .. the history that we have of the world is massive .. NO sign of this happening over that time period .. yet .. go the same distance the other direction 2000 years .. and .. HUH ? NO .. and in fact we have records from much earlier than the common era .. what types of beasties there were out there . and so on .. what you are saying didnt happen..

but forget that .. what about the continuous culture throughout this time period - this time .. Zero is just the starting point .. We have huge amounts of history from Zero to 2300 BC - know dates very accurately -- There was continuous culture throughout the biblically stated time period .. didnt stop .. No evidence of anything like that happening at this time period .. sans .. After uniting the city states into the so called worlds first empire in 2350 BC Sargon of Akkad we have lots of history in this region .. we then have a dark age though around 2100 BC .. Which one could say well Maybe the flood hit there as this is the early edge of the envelope .. but no ..

After the dark age .. near 2000 - two empires now exist The Babylonians and Assyrians .. the of course you have the Egyptians and Hittites and Greeks and all these various other cultures that we know tons about from 2000 on down .. so no way you started at ground zero in 2100..

Didn't happen .. and 2300 .. while not linear .. is not far off that.. We have names of Kings and Pharaohs going back way further than this .. keeping in mind that we have near exact historical dating to 2000 .. some cases +/- a few years but gets rectified later when someone comes along that we do have an accurate date for ..

And we dig new stuff up every day. .. and things go way way further back than 2300 BC - No .. didn't happen too many people around the planet .. we haven't even gotten into history in South America .. China .. Europe .. and numerous other places around this time period .. massive cultures that did not suddenly come to an end through this time period .. and dating back well before this period.

Now if we want to include archaeology into the picture - and while Carbon Dating gets fuzzy if we are talking 25,000 years or some such thing .. it is pretty darn good dating something that is less than 10,000 years old .. and gets better as you go back .. and you get more replicate samples to - at some point - statistical precision.. especially when coupled and confirmed with other dating methods .. and other specimines.. associated with a big Volcano or some catastrophic event..

Look .. No - The Earth was a happening place in 2300 BC .. there was no big event that wiped these cultures out .. simultaneously .. same language .. same art .. same culture.. same customss .. and in this late of period "Same Writing" .. in a local area .. and this continues through.

No way this should happen if the culture was wiped off the map.. what replaces it is going to be different art .. language .. culture .. customes .. than prevously .. The next folks that come along to South America after a total wipe out .. are going to be completely different than the early SA societies .. which had a complete writing system by 900 BC .. later you had Inca Aztec Mayan and so on .. These new folks are going to have different artwork on their pottery .. different customs .. "Different Genetics" .. forgot about that one .. this is a huge problem .. we can trace genetics uniqueness way way back ..

all of these things should stop .. and when resume .. are completely different. and it simply doesn't happen.

BTW I find it extremely amusing that you presumably believe that God can and did transport himself to Earth to be planted into a human embryo while simultaneously running the universe, and later raised himself and others back to life, but you think he's gonna have trouble moving a polar bear?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The point is that " holiness" can't save you or keep you saved.
I can never be holy enough to deserve salvation.

Right, and no one is saying that. Works will never literally pay for one's entrance into the kingdom of God. What happens is a person's holy living justifies him as being righteous. Righteous in Christ of course, not of his own accord. That's different than what Paul is talking about when he says a person is justified by his faith in God. Paul is speaking of securing a legal declaration of being made righteous by believing in and accepting the cleansing forgiveness of God. James is talking about being declared righteous by the evidence of your works. A person must be justified by both faith and works in order to enter into the kingdom of God. Which only stands to reason. I mean if you've been given the power of the Holy Spirit to live holy it follows that you would then live holy and that holiness could be used to judge you as righteous at the resurrection. Just as your unrighteousness is used to judge you as a goat that goes to the left into destruction.

 

[Heyzeus]

You never answered my question. And where does the Bible say when the flood happened?

Again, if it's all mythology, why believe in the resurrection?

I believe in the resurrection of the Soul. The reasons for this are numerous. The question I like to ask is assuming your soul does go to heaven - what would you like your next vacation to be :) and how many worlds do you think you will have to choose from . but remembering .. you won't remember your past life while on the vacation .. cept maybe a glimmer or two.

Abraham is dated most often around 1800 BC ... various descriptions corrospond to this time period .. and one of the Kings mentioned is thought to be Hammurabi- Babylonian King round this time - you have heard of his law code I am sure. Abraham was born in Ur .. Babylon .. so this would make sense.. in any case .. latest we can realistically go back is say 2000 .. too many things start not to add up beyond this .. names of places .. kings.. customs .. livestock .. way of life. Even Creationists use this date for Abraham - which is kind of ironic.

And then how many years do you want to put the descendants in Egyptian captivity ? - at 1800 BC we are getting near the 4-500 year mark. well no .. say 3-400 years cause they didn't go into captivity for round 100 years .. so that puts is in the ballpark ..

so once you have Abraham - it is 300 years to Noah .. and if you do the math .. not too many generations back from Shem's Son - is Abrams father Terah .. who has taken to worshiping other Gods .. and is an Idol Maker .. although he still reveres "EL" as chief of the Pantheon .. because everyone did at that time .. and we know the religious history very well .. and of the near East in General because they all shared this believe in Abrams time .. but specially Terah ... near everyone you meet is related to Shem in some way and can trace their lineage back ..
So they should be all worshiping "the Most High" . and they were .. cept they had taken to worshiping some of the Sons of the Most High and there were obviously female dieties as well. El's Consort Asherah being the one.

So Abrams God was El .. "the Most High" "The Father" "Creator" "God who Dwells in the Mountain - El Shaddai" .. Abraham dispensed with the worship of other Gods .. and worshiped only the Most High.. El Shaddai - God who Dwells in the Mountain .. This God was also know to the Canaanites .. which makes sense as they were in such close proximity to each other .. and they have similar religious literature as what we find in the Bible..

The fights between the various canaanite clans and peoples along the way were not fights over who's God was the most high .. as they all had the same fellow as the grand Pubahh .. it was whose local God was better .. the battle between YHWH and one of El's other sons Baal .. and there were other son's as well. But this fellow got most of YHWHs attention in the Literature.

Eventually YHWH absumes all the Characteristics of El .. and basically supplants him .. but this takes a long time .. the old El is still around in Deuteronomy .. and still there in Psalm 82.

It matters not what name we give to the most high he is what he is .. it is .. what It is ... I am what I am .... which is not a name.
and YHWH himself tells us that he was known by another name back in the good old days..

I have no desire to put a literalist perspective on things .. but nor do I think it is all myth .. I believe there are things inspired that happen.. just no need to believe that God is some flip flopping xenophobic genocidal maniac - with the most petty and nasty of human emotions .. to believe this.

Folks need to dispense with literalism .. it is not the road to the Truth. It is not the way to a strong foundation when the weakest link in the chain brings down the whole structure.

 

[Heyzeus]

BTW I find it extremely amusing that you presumably believe that God can and did transport himself to Earth to be planted into a human embryo while simultaneously running the universe, and later raised himself and others back to life, but you think he's gonna have trouble moving a polar bear?

Well .. you have presumed incorrectly methinks .. while I am sure God can do this - I do not see it as sensible or reasonable .. nor scriptural for that matter.

Jesus was made divine at his Baptism according to the earliest account and one closest to the source.. you must be confusing me with someone who accepts modern Trinity Dogma .. a man made doctrine.. from which little good has come.

 

[justbyfaith]

Of the college professor type God says this...

Rom 1:21, Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 

[Heyzeus]

Of the college professor type God says this....

Unable to respond to the content - JBF decides snide comments from the peanut gallery might do the trick :) :)

Have you lost your voice Luke - so twisted and turned are thy thoughts that thy vocal chords no longer work ?

Speak man -- was another poster today what was on the ground in the fetal position .. mumbling sweet nothings to themselves - must be in the air .. weather is bad here .. looks like snow coming .. how about where you are at ? Covid got your knickers in a tizzy ?

 

[justbyfaith]

Paraphrasing here......If God came up with a set of Laws that could save anybody— “ Christ is Dead in Vain...”

If righteousness comes by the law, Christ is dead in vain; to be more accurate...

Which indicates that righteousness does come; which is attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

Christ is the END OF THE LAW for Righteousness””

For righteousness, we do obtain it by faith.

We receive the Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14) and we thus bear the fruit of the Spirit; against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23).

Thus we have a righteousness of God apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

What this means is that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

The law attests to the fact that this righteousness which is by faith is righteousness indeed (Romans 3:21).

Thus, the way that the law becomes a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25) is in that it shows man that he is a sinner in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20) who can save him from his sins (Matthew 1:21).

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!

What you have to determine therefore is whether or not you are a Christian.

Those who are born of God "do not" and "cannot" commit sin (1 John 3:9); and the one who abideth in Him "sinneth not" (1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17).

I can’t prove it with Scripture , But I have a feeling those Creeps were always standing at the fringes....checking out their Enemy.....waiting for Him to say something that they could “try” to throw in His face later....

In Matthew 5-7, it was too early in the game for the scribes and Pharisees to be spying on Jesus.

The Standard is Perfection 24/7 and you, my friend do not MEET that Standard and you ain’t GONNA meet that Standard! <fify>

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

If you are a Blessed person, a person whose heart has been pierced and convicted of Sin by hearing Jesus Sermon Of Condemnation for those That have not Turned to God, DO what this Sermon was intended to MAKE you do ! Get on your Sinful Knees and cry out like the Contrite Publican did—- “Lord,have Mercy on me, a Sinner”......That Prayer , according to Jesus got that man Saved . It was a prayer that got ME Saved. It is a prayer that will get YOU Saved .......It is a HOLY Promise from God and God NEVER breaks a Promise!

What I did when I read this Sermon was that my prayer was, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean..." to which He said, "I am willing; be thou clean."

This is the response that the context would teach us to have when reading the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 8:1-4).

The question being that, If I consider myself a spiritual leper after having read the Sermon on the Mount, for that I do not measure up; what will being cleansed from that leprosy do for my practical life?

Your claim that you have a free pass through the pearly gates .. and do not have to pass judgement - is contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

I beg to differ.

Jesus said,

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Not only did Paul not know Jesus - spending his time persecuting Christians while Jesus was alive - Paul does not know much about the teachings of Jesus.

nevertheless, Paul's writings are indirectly substantiated by Jesus. For Jesus gave credence to Peter (John 16:13) and Peter gave credence to Paul (2 Peter 3:15-16); who subsequently gave credence to the rest of holy scripture as being inspired by the Holy Ghost (2 Timothy 3:16); who I will say here is Jesus (His Spirit).

Where in the passage above does it say that Paul was one of Jesus's Sheep ?

You are grasping at straws. That Paul was one of Jesus' sheep is a given; and to say that he was not is basically a ridiculous notion.

The passage from Matt does not mention Paul - and I did not claim that Jesus did not know Paul <fify>.

You claimed that Paul did not know Jesus; yet, since Paul was one of Jesus' sheep, he did know Jesus according to John 10:14.

Further - nowhere in scripture does it say or suggest that Paul was personally tutored by Jesus for 3 years

It is most certainly suggested by holy scripture.

Doesn't help at all mate .. Nowhere in anything you posted is it suggested that Jesus spend 3 years tutoring Paul in Arabia.

I think that he actually made a pretty good case for that idea.

The claim that Paul was tutored directly by Jesus for 3 years makes no sense in light of what Paul wrote.

Jesus may have taught Paul things different than what he taught the original apostles...so that what Paul taught was the extra revelation that the original disciples could not bear before the Cross (John 16:12-13).

Then when corrected via my posting of the teachings of Jesus ..

I haven't seen you post the teachings of Jesus very much in all of your posting.

I view the teachings of Jesus as inspired .. the teachings of those which conflict with the teachings of Jesus .. not so much.

How about you ?

I consider that Jesus indirectly substantiated Paul by giving credence to Peter (John 16:13) who gave credence to Paul (2 Peter 3:15-16) and also made John 16:13 apply to Paul's writings.

and not simply on the basis that some global flood killing all Land Creatures sans Noah and kin didn't happen round 2100-2300 BC

2Pe 3:3, Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5, For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6, Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

So yes .. That we should submit and view vicious dictators as subjugating us under the authority of God ... such that we should not rebel .. and be passive sheep of Jesus .. because these are ordained servants of the Lord ..

You claim that this is the perspective of Jesus .. I beg to differ ..

It is indeed the perspective of Jesus...did He not tell us to turn the other cheek...and also to go the extra mile if someone forces you to go one mile? On the sabbath day, Jewish law prohibited travelling more than one mile...so Jesus was telling His disciples to place governmental rule over and above what the Pharisees' were teaching about the law of God at that time.

I provided Scriptural evidence that the Word of God .. is sometimes not "The word of God" :)

So, it seems to me that you are advocating "smorgasborg religion"

OK .. so now we have one Bible that says one thing .. and another that says another .. or can we just reject books at random ? claiming "That is not the word of God"

It seems to be what you do...