I'm a Christian and I support the legality of same-sex marriage

[Rita]

I don't think anyone's forgetting the part of the scripture that says, "and that is what some of you were." That part of the scripture simply means those people who were practicing homosexuals at one time stopped being practicing homosexuals. These men and women if living with one another and having sex with one another stopped having sex with one another and living with one another because they believed the truth that was being spoken to them so they changed.

My point was that many condemn homosexuals period, end of ,with no hope- or at least that is how some posts come across.

I must admit reading this thread has been quite an eye opening with regards to the USA and what it thinks about the laws and how it should be universally Christian - I don’t think the OP or any comments that he has made confirm that he agrees with same sex marriage on a personal level.( unless I have misunderstood )
I read the comments as being about the reality that as human beings we make choices , and have all had the freedom to do so. All of us have had that right as adults - and even as children we still made choices good or bad. Our parents didn’t always agree, and as parents we don’t agree with all the choices they made. Some were against the law, some were within the law, some were within the moral standards that the Lord has set, some weren’t, but we all had that freedom. Doesn’t that same freedom exists for everyone within society.
Freedom of choice doesn’t mean we agree with all the choices, and there are always consequences, and for many the consequences are and will be extreme. Of course we should endeavour to protect, whether that be through advice , warnings or law, but that freedom to choose still exists.
If the law enables two men or women to marry, then that is the law of the land at that time,it doesn’t mean that by accepting that law Is there and acted upon that you agree with it, but if those within the society at the particular time choose to act on that law then they are well within their rights as a citizen of that country to act on the law. It doesn’t mean others should not vote for it to be changed, or follow a different party that would bring change if they disagree, but those people are not going against the authorities of the land.

Whether we like it or not we live in a multi cultural society now - it’s not as it was all those generations ago - I am still staggered that many on here expect everyone to live in their world, when scripture dictates we live as members of a different kingdom and separate from the world on one level - the world around us will always act in ways that are opposed to Gods ways and it will be like that until the Lord returns and puts everything right.

These are just my thoughts on this thread as I have read through it- just my prospective.
Rita

 

[Grailhunter]

Why do so many only quite part of those verses-
V11 and that is what some of you were , But you were washed , you were sanctified, your were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

He is addressing Christians who were in the Kingdom, and some of them came from that group of people mentioned. He doesn’t exclude homosexuals and says , oh yes, not those , they can’t be changed , washed, sanctified, justified ect ect

Rita

The sin of homosexuality is a common thread between the OT and NT. There is no reprieve. You cannot repent of something that is your lifestyle, habitual sins that you do not intend to stop. The name it and claim it thing is a fallacy.

The topic gets a little more complex with women, but most Christians would but them in the same category.

 

[Rita]

The sin of homosexuality is a common thread between the OT and NT. There is no reprieve. You cannot repent of something that is your lifestyle, habitual sins that you do not intend to stop. The name it and claim it thing is a fallacy.

The topic gets a little more complex with women, but most Christians would but them in the same category.

So you are denying what Paul said , interesting. Do you honestly believe that habitual sin cannot be dealt with by the Lord, or are you just taking that one thing out of a list of other habitual sins ? Rita

 

[kcnalp]

The sin of homosexuality is a common thread between the OT and NT. There is no reprieve. You cannot repent of something that is your lifestyle, habitual sins that you do not intend to stop. The name it and claim it thing is a fallacy.

The topic gets a little more complex with women, but most Christians would but them in the same category.

I had a cousin who was gay most of his life. God saved him and he totally changed his life! God can work miracles for those who believe He will.

 

[Marymog]

I support freedom and personal choice. I do not want to live under a theocracy. Therefore, religious doctrine should NOT be used to regulate another's behavior, such as same-sex relations or marriage. I DO support laws that protect being victimized by another. For example, murder, assault, abortion, etc. should be ILLEGAL because they adversely affect an innocent, third-party. Same-sex marriage does not.

Frankly, the government should NOT be in the marriage "business". Why should citizens have to pay a fee to the government to get a marriage license? State governments should get OUT. Then, two consenting, competent adults can get "married" within their private organization and they can tell us everyone they're "married" and we can choose to recognize it or ignore it. Courts can continue to deal with marital issues as they are the arbitrator for all sorts of contracts, including marriage.

As well, I will remind my Christian friends that, God gave us free will to make our own choices. Who are we to restrict another's free will by imposing laws against behavior that doesn't affect us in the slightest? While we're at it, I also believe that prostitution, drug use and gambling should also be legal.

Hi K9Buck,

I agree with you that government should not be in the marriage business. It started out as a religious “contract” with/under God thru The Church and it should have stayed that way!! My question for you is if you had the chance to vote to legalize/recognize same sex marriage in your State; would have you voted for it or against it?

Isn’t Christianity a theocracy? :cool:

Mary

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

No kidding?

If you're going to quote me quote all I say. Don't make it seem that I said something like I agreed with you.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

So you are denying what Paul said , interesting. Do you honestly believe that habitual sin cannot be dealt with by the Lord, or are you just taking that one thing out of a list of other habitual sins ? Rita

I don't see anyone saying that homosexuality is the unforgivable sin. I don't see anyone saying that it's the worst sin someone can commit. Of course, homosexuals can repent. I hope and pray that they will all see the truth and repent! I believe that it's an extremely powerful stronghold of the enemy, though, and it seems to hold onto its victim, but they can be set free!

This issue is very personal to me. My brother turned to that lifestyle and died of AIDS. I believe that our homosexual uncle had molested my brother when he was a child, and that this contributed, if not caused, my brother to desire sex with other men. After my brother died, my uncle killed himself. It's tragic, and I don't wish this stronghold on anyone!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

My point was that many condemn homosexuals period, end of ,with no hope- or at least that is how some posts come across.

I must admit reading this thread has been quite an eye opening with regards to the USA and what it thinks about the laws and how it should be universally Christian - I don’t think the OP or any comments that he has made confirm that he agrees with same sex marriage on a personal level.( unless I have misunderstood )
I read the comments as being about the reality that as human beings we make choices , and have all had the freedom to do so. All of us have had that right as adults - and even as children we still made choices good or bad. Our parents didn’t always agree, and as parents we don’t agree with all the choices they made. Some were against the law, some were within the law, some were within the moral standards that the Lord has set, some weren’t, but we all had that freedom. Doesn’t that same freedom exists for everyone within society.
Freedom of choice doesn’t mean we agree with all the choices, and there are always consequences, and for many the consequences are and will be extreme. Of course we should endeavour to protect, whether that be through advice , warnings or law, but that freedom to choose still exists.
If the law enables two men or women to marry, then that is the law of the land at that time,it doesn’t mean that by accepting that law Is there and acted upon that you agree with it, but if those within the society at the particular time choose to act on that law then they are well within their rights as a citizen of that country to act on the law. It doesn’t mean others should not vote for it to be changed, or follow a different party that would bring change if they disagree, but those people are not going against the authorities of the land.

Whether we like it or not we live in a multi cultural society now - it’s not as it was all those generations ago - I am still staggered that many on here expect everyone to live in their world, when scripture dictates we live as members of a different kingdom and separate from the world on one level - the world around us will always act in ways that are opposed to Gods ways and it will be like that until the Lord returns and puts everything right.

These are just my thoughts on this thread as I have read through it- just my prospective.
Rita

You have to understand that the society you're talking about is from a wicked world we live in. This wicked world we live in is ruled by Satan. That means that this wicked world we're living in will be destroyed one day. Only those who love God and have faith in him will live in the new earth and live forever on a paradise earth.

Since we live in a world that's ruled by Satan don't you think that you will meet a lot of people who will condemn homosexuals period. Satan is about hate not love. There is going to be a lot people that's going to judge homosexuals that way. They will honestly believe themselves to be Christians, they will not be. The True Christian condemns the act of homosexuality. Just as a true Christian condemns the act of cheating on your marital spouse. The True Christian prays and hopes such individuals will change and love God enough to have faith that he knows what's best for what he created(humanity)

 

[Grailhunter]

I had a cousin who was gay most of his life. God saved him and he totally changed

Changing course is a wonderful thing

 

[Grailhunter]

Weird site....changing coarse is a wonderful thing

 

[Rita]

You have to understand that the society you're talking about is from a wicked world we live in. This wicked world we live in is ruled by Satan. That means that this wicked world we're living in will be destroyed one day. Only those who love God and have faith in him will live in the new earth and live forever on a paradise earth.

Since we live in a world that's ruled by Satan don't you think that you will meet a lot of people who will condemn homosexuals period. Satan is about hate not love. There is going to be a lot people that's going to judge homosexuals that way. They will honestly believe themselves to be Christians, they will not be. The True Christian condemns the act of homosexuality. Just as a true Christian condemns the act of cheating on your marital spouse. The True Christian prays and hopes such individuals will change and love God enough to have faith that he knows what's best for what he created(humanity)[/QUOTE
I think you have either misunderstood my point or presume you are talking to someone who is not ‘ a true believer ‘ and hasn’t a clue about the world in which we live, Satan’s hold on the world ect. Your preaching to the converted x
Rita

 

[Rita]

I don't see anyone saying that homosexuality is the unforgivable sin. I don't see anyone saying that it's the worst sin someone can commit. Of course, homosexuals can repent. I hope and pray that they will all see the truth and repent! I believe that it's an extremely powerful stronghold of the enemy, though, and it seems to hold onto its victim, but they can be set free!

This issue is very personal to me. My brother turned to that lifestyle and died of AIDS. I believe that our homosexual uncle had molested my brother when he was a child, and that this contributed, if not caused, my brother to desire sex with other men. After my brother died, my uncle killed himself. It's tragic, and I don't wish this stronghold on anyone!

I believe grailhunter conveyed ‘ there is no reprieve ‘ - hence why I asked him if he was denying what Paul said when he relayed ‘ some of you were like that ‘. Paul was talking to Christians who had come to faith. Also some of the comments seem to imply the same, but it could be that they are not in context of what the writer believes over all on the matter.

Sorry about what has happened in your family- it’s touched my family as well. Xx
Rita

 

[Nancy]

So you are denying what Paul said , interesting. Do you honestly believe that habitual sin cannot be dealt with by the Lord, or are you just taking that one thing out of a list of other habitual sins ? Rita

Amen Rita,
Every one of us had "habitual sin" before coming to The Lord.! And, if others on here think that God will change your orientation, think again...doesn't happen that way, sexual orientation does not change. And please don't anyone start on that so called "reformative therapy"!
You will end up worse, the empty promises and feeling that you are less than normal will leave you drowning in a sea of shame. And, if you were fortunate enough to come out of that terrible type of therepy and have not offed yourself yet...run for the hills cause you are hated beyond sense...and the pithy saying"hate the sin, love the sinner" is bunk, just plain bunk. In my book, if one is gay (not bi!) the only choice they have is forced celibacy, and to depend on God's grace to keep you content and He will do that. If a gay marries a straight person, it is not fair at all to the either spouse. They go through the motions and sometimes will refuse to have sexual relations with the opposite sex spouse. So, no...orientation does NOT change. It is not that God couldn't but...He just does not do that! His grace is sufficient but, non believers do not understand that so, this is such a
conundrum. God help us ALL.
Sorry Rita, guess I sounded off here after replying

 

[Rita]

No need to apologise Nancy - agree with what you have conveyed xxxx
Rita

 

[Grailhunter]

No need to apologise Nancy - agree with what you have conveyed xxxx
Rita

Amen Rita,
Every one of us had "habitual sin" before coming to The Lord.! And, if others on here think that God will change your orientation, think again...doesn't happen that way, sexual orientation does not change. And please don't anyone start on that so called "reformative therapy"!
You will end up worse, the empty promises and feeling that you are less than normal will leave you drowning in a sea of shame. And, if you were fortunate enough to come out of that terrible type of therepy and have not offed yourself yet...run for the hills cause you are hated beyond sense...and the pithy saying"hate the sin, love the sinner" is bunk, just plain bunk. In my book, if one is gay (not bi!) the only choice they have is forced celibacy, and to depend on God's grace to keep you content and He will do that. If a gay marries a straight person, it is not fair at all to the either spouse. They go through the motions and sometimes will refuse to have sexual relations with the opposite sex spouse. So, no...orientation does NOT change. It is not that God couldn't but...He just does not do that! His grace is sufficient but, non believers do not understand that so, this is such a
conundrum. God help us ALL.
Sorry Rita, guess I sounded off here after replying

Every one of us had "habitual sin" before coming to The Lord.!
I am not sure if that statement has any connection to logic. Of course we are sinners...but somethings you need to stop.

The assassins of the Mafia would kill on Thursday and go to Church on Sunday. Why does God make certain activities wrong? Why will certain activities send you to hell? Why should Christians stand against certain activities? Where do you draw the line?

Certainly Christ will sort them out in the end? Should we then live and let live....or let them kill in the case of murderers. Logic is not something that everyone can grasp. Some feel their way through life. A lot of times they think their feelings are messages of God. "If it feels good, do it, if it don't let it lie."

Social morals, what is that? What is the purpose of social / religious morals? Right now we are in period where it is fashionable to deny God and kill all establish social and religious norms. So here on a Christian forum you ladies give these homosexuals justification and support.... Again logic.... I am sure it is cry for "have a heart"
But sometimes having a heart is heartless, because of the people it harms and kills.

Logic requires considering the ramifications of what you say and do. So then...ramifications...let us put that in motion, so when the homosexuals stand before Christ on judgment day, and they say, I knew Christians that said it was ok, or that they believed that Christ would forgive us of this sin. If they go to hell because you steered them the wrong way, what happens to you?

I am all for the feminine voice in Christianity but please try to consider the consequences. Certainly Christ is going to have the last say, but don't set them up for hell. There is no wiggle room in the OT or NT for homosexuality, so you are preaching against the Bible from cover to cover.

Sin has its effects and has footprints. It is not just that they like each other's rear ends and the nastiness of all that. It is also the tendency to spread disease. It is all the perverted fetishes that go along with it. Homosexual couples raising children. Are they going to raise them Christians? Could they? Most homosexuals are not Christian or they are atheist. Some of them have children because they like eating poop out diapers. The anus being a sexual desire carries on to other fetishes.

Granted it is a mental disorder...misalignment. So are sociopaths, Charles Manson thought it was his right to kill. Homosexuals that molest children think they are liberating them. And they are bold! I've had Christians tell me I am too violent...lol...But on two different occasions it was me they came to when it was their children that were molested in the church bathroom. Bold they are? In your front yard...as they walk down the sidewalk....in school. No this sin is dirty, nasty, and despicable...and we should not tolerate it, give evil no mercy, no tolerance, no quarter. I wonder were that motto came from? What is the alternative? Throw the Bibles in the trash and do as we wish?

 

[Rita]

I am so pleased you are all for the feminine voices in Christianity - good for you.
I will leave you to your own opinions and thoughts, you answered my question - you do not believe in what Paul was conveying. I will leave it there.
Rita

 

[Grailhunter]

I am so pleased you are all for the feminine voices in Christianity - good for you.
I will leave you to your own opinions and thoughts, you answered my question - you do not believe in what Paul was conveying. I will leave it there.
Rita

I do believe in Paul and Paul addressed homosexuality more than once.

 

[Nancy]

Every one of us had "habitual sin" before coming to The Lord.!
I am not sure if that statement has any connection to logic. Of course we are sinners...but somethings you need to stop.

The assassins of the Mafia would kill on Thursday and go to Church on Sunday. Why does God make certain activities wrong? Why will certain activities send you to hell? Why should Christians stand against certain activities? Where do you draw the line?

Certainly Christ will sort them out in the end? Should we then live and let live....or let them kill in the case of murderers. Logic is not something that everyone can grasp. Some feel their way through life. A lot of times they think their feelings are messages of God. "If it feels good, do it, if it don't let it lie."

Social morals, what is that? What is the purpose of social / religious morals? Right now we are in period where it is fashionable to deny God and kill all establish social and religious norms. So here on a Christian forum you ladies give these homosexuals justification and support.... Again logic.... I am sure it is cry for "have a heart"
But sometimes having a heart is heartless, because of the people it harms and kills.

Logic requires considering the ramifications of what you say and do. So then...ramifications...let us put that in motion, so when the homosexuals stand before Christ on judgment day, and they say, I knew Christians that said it was ok, or that they believed that Christ would forgive us of this sin. If they go to hell because you steered them the wrong way, what happens to you?

I am all for the feminine voice in Christianity but please try to consider the consequences. Certainly Christ is going to have the last say, but don't set them up for hell. There is no wiggle room in the OT or NT for homosexuality, so you are preaching against the Bible from cover to cover.

Sin has its effects and has footprints. It is not just that they like each other's rear ends and the nastiness of all that. It is also the tendency to spread disease. It is all the perverted fetishes that go along with it. Homosexual couples raising children. Are they going to raise them Christians? Could they? Most homosexuals are not Christian or they are atheist. Some of them have children because they like eating poop out diapers. The anus being a sexual desire carries on to other fetishes.

Granted it is a mental disorder...misalignment. So are sociopaths, Charles Manson thought it was his right to kill. Homosexuals that molest children think they are liberating them. And they are bold! I've had Christians tell me I am too violent...lol...But on two different occasions it was me they came to when it was their children that were molested in the church bathroom. Bold they are? In your front yard...as they walk down the sidewalk....in school. No this sin is dirty, nasty, and despicable...and we should not tolerate it, give evil no mercy, no tolerance, no quarter. I wonder were that motto came from? What is the alternative? Throw the Bibles in the trash and do as we wish?

So, I see you do not understand the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. I could explain it to you but, then you would need to have logic to understand

 

[Nancy]

I don't see anyone saying that homosexuality is the unforgivable sin. I don't see anyone saying that it's the worst sin someone can commit. Of course, homosexuals can repent. I hope and pray that they will all see the truth and repent! I believe that it's an extremely powerful stronghold of the enemy, though, and it seems to hold onto its victim, but they can be set free!

This issue is very personal to me. My brother turned to that lifestyle and died of AIDS. I believe that our homosexual uncle had molested my brother when he was a child, and that this contributed, if not caused, my brother to desire sex with other men. After my brother died, my uncle killed himself. It's tragic, and I don't wish this stronghold on anyone!

How very sad, I am so sorry

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Amen Rita,
Every one of us had "habitual sin" before coming to The Lord.! And, if others on here think that God will change your orientation, think again...doesn't happen that way, sexual orientation does not change. And please don't anyone start on that so called "reformative therapy"!
You will end up worse, the empty promises and feeling that you are less than normal will leave you drowning in a sea of shame. And, if you were fortunate enough to come out of that terrible type of therepy and have not offed yourself yet...run for the hills cause you are hated beyond sense...and the pithy saying"hate the sin, love the sinner" is bunk, just plain bunk. In my book, if one is gay (not bi!) the only choice they have is forced celibacy, and to depend on God's grace to keep you content and He will do that. If a gay marries a straight person, it is not fair at all to the either spouse. They go through the motions and sometimes will refuse to have sexual relations with the opposite sex spouse. So, no...orientation does NOT change. It is not that God couldn't but...He just does not do that! His grace is sufficient but, non believers do not understand that so, this is such a
conundrum. God help us ALL.
Sorry Rita, guess I sounded off here after replying

I would prefer to leave this alone, but I don’t feel that I can in good conscience. Sometimes, God does deliver from homosexual desires and tendencies. Sometimes. So, it is possible.

I hear ya about being celibate. As a single, that is my only option, and it’s not an easy one. The world all around us tells us that sex outside of marriage is okay. I don’t see that in God’s Word, so if I went with what the world says, I would displease my Lord and lose my self-respect in the process. It’s not worth it to me!