What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?

[BarneyFife]

You are not a post. I merely made an observation on the inaccuracy of the polling post because it (not a poster) left our other possibilities.

Additionally, I suggest that you (and others) apply the correct definition of the term; it means "to the man", to whatever I may post, and you will see that I never went after a poster, calling names or demeaning his character.

As an aside, if what Christophany stated, the rules here (which i admit to not seeing (despite seeking them) forbid calling out others, and going personal, I am surprised that the mods did not close this thread for that reason.

As I understand this forum, it is a place for DISCUSSION. In a DISCUSSION it is expected that not all will agree, and that there will be a give and take about the topics at hand. I will be happy to contribute to a DISCUSSION but I refuse to participate in elementary school games of name calling.

You're leaving us, then?

 

[ChristisGod]

Why is ad hominem bad?

But ad hominem attacks are generally viewed as a sign of low intelligence. Even Urban Dictionary—hardly a forum for high brows—recognizes that ad hominem arguments are generally used “by immature and/or unintelligent people because they are unable to counter their opponent using logic and intelligence.”Dec 4, 2018

 

[BarneyFife]

Why is ad hominem bad?

But ad hominem attacks are generally viewed as a sign of low intelligence. Even Urban Dictionary—hardly a forum for high brows—recognizes that ad hominem arguments are generally used “by immature and/or unintelligent people because they are unable to counter their opponent using logic and intelligence.”Dec 4, 2018

Addressing legitimate ill-behavior is not ad hominem, and "ad-hominem" is often the cry of those who are thus addressed.
A good example of ad hominem would, however, be suggesting that someone possesses a low level of intelligence if they are doing or saying something that is disagreeable to the suggester. Something I've never done, by the way.

 

[BarneyFife]

Anybody have any other ideas about what keeps saints and angels from sinning throughout eternity future?

 

[ChristisGod]

Look I will say one last thing on this issue and lay it to rest and this speaks to everyone of us here. Lets bury this put it behind us and give us all a clean slate and forgive one another. That means not holding anything that has happened in the past and use it against another person. Let us apply this to our discussion below and act like adult mature christians.

Matthew 5:43-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

hope this helps !!!

 

[john t]

I described your POSTS, Barney. I did not call you names as you just did to me in your last post:

I'm just going to cite two of the most egregious examples of your narcissistic, pompous pontificating

I made a reasonable assumption about your theology, (NOT YOUR PERSON) based upon your posts..



Are perhaps COJCLDS?

 

[BarneyFife]

I described your POSTS, Barney. I did not call you names as you just did to me in your last post:



I made a reasonable assumption about your theology, (NOT YOUR PERSON) based upon your posts..



Are perhaps COJCLDS?

I didn't call you names. I specifically desrcibed your behavior. And the examples I gave were addressed to someone other than me. Just gotta put me in a box, huh? I'm not even close to being a Mormon (although some of the finest people I know are). Simply amazing. When are you going to get it through your head that this is not about theology? It's about the way you talk to people. Maybe over at CARM it's okay to talk down to people you disagree with. It's not looked upon terribly fondly in most forums. You'll get away with it here more readily than you would at CF, to be sure, but it is unChrist-like behavior. I forgave you the minute you spoke offensively to me. That's how forgiveness works. It's not an event, it's a state of mind. It is the very glory of God. Christ had no time to kneel and pray for strength to forgive the high priest's guard when he struck Him. But I'm not going to stand by and watch you spank people who've been here for years without saying anything. I'll give up soon enough, and I bear you no malice, but I concede nothing. Narcissistic behavior does not necessarily a narcissist make. But it is what it is.

 

[BarneyFife]

@john t
By the way, I notice you didn't even address the content of the examples I gave.

 

[BarneyFife]

Look I will say one last thing on this issue and lay it to rest and this speaks to everyone of us here. Lets bury this put it behind us and give us all a clean slate and forgive one another. That means not holding anything that has happened in the past and use it against another person. Let us apply this to our discussion below and act like adult mature christians.

Matthew 5:43-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

hope this helps !!!

Thanks for the orders, but I have my own convictions to consult.

 

[ChristisGod]

Thanks for the orders, but I have my own convictions to consult.

not my orders just quoting Jesus standards not mans.

 

[BarneyFife]

not my orders just quoting Jesus standards not mans.

Of course.

 

[BarneyFife]

Many of those things which some people support almost automatically without consideration of scriptures pointing, or seeming to point, to something else I never learned really even in part until arriving regularly at an Internet forum many years ago. This is not all clear to me by any means. A possible difference between the Bride of Christ and the Church apparently amazes some people because I would even consider such a thing. Who is it that comes with Jesus in the clouds... or what are those clouds, if not perhaps the Bride already taken out of the Church but the Church is still be saved? This is only a thought and perhaps a belief, but for some it is heresy or borders on it. No questions please. So then jump into a denomination and already pleases you completely in the place where you already are. The Reformers did it, those who came out with the Reformers continue to jump... each time they have a new thought or revelation. If we were all still together sharing thought and revelations and listening to each other... in the physical churches maybe there would or could be a mover toward the Unity needed...But that won't happen because people fixed in their ATs [Absolute Truths] won't allow it to happen... So here we are on an Internet forum where some interaction is allowed although here too there are many holding to their ATs and wanting heretics [according to them] to be banned... Should each forum then become another restricted denomination. And in such a denomination for each mistake held as an AT, God is left outside with those called heretics.


I wouldn't even understand your words here without having first looking up "eschatological". Some things like that won't stick in my brain and God has not written anything in my heart using that word. I am not against people studying that way, but it got me into trouble about 30 years ago and God taught me a lesson about studying that I will never forget. That part is written in my heart. Can a person love God without being a theology student? [Don't answer that question!]

In response to Paul's request regarding the thorn, the answer was "my grace is sufficient". In effect I say that about things where I lack a specific answer, but some people hear that immediately decide I need a lesson in what "grace" is. Believe me there is more than one on this forum to provide the lesson. Many I would guess are Bible students. I am a Bible student also in a sense, but the Bible alone [sola scriptura?] combined with carnal mind of man even with 'good' intentions causes a lot of confusion and establishes quite often some more denominations.

Most, [or perhaps all], of them will pay lip service to following the lead of the Holy Spirit, but perhaps you have seen some of the arguments about what the Holy Spirit is and what it means for the Holy Spirit to lead: More denominations!


God is complicated but simple. He is complicated for those who don't understand Him at all or for those who try to figure Him out with their own brains alone. He is simple to those to whom He has revealed Himself.

All of these different subjects about God and the Bible on this forums and others, may be needful and useful, but is it necessary for every person to understand it all and agree to all of any one of this or any one of that? God calls different people to be the different parts of the Body of Christ. It is throughout the Bible is you are given to see it, but very simply read I Corinthians chapter 12. Having done that then understand that all of details I need are not necessarily all of the details you or some other part of the Body may need. God will use us to help each other, if we are usable and it is somehow part of our function for the part that we are.

But too many people want to be the Head and that job is already taken for anyone who is can understand it.

For God it is simple! For us our part can be simple if we are always following His Lead! Don't be a theologian, or try to be one, if God did not call you to be one!


So far you have given me no reason to doubt the sincerity of your purpose...On the contrary!

Consider one the blessings Jesus mentions:

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Are you hungry and thirsty for the right thing?

It's interesting. I bookmarked this page in my email account and, upon stumbling over it while looking for something else, decided to review it.

You amaze me. I know you don't care for flattery one whit, but I just got back from my morning walk so my mind is I unusually clear. And so I just now read through this post of yours with very little distraction.

But it reminded that sometimes I'm not able to give your posts the appreciation they merit because they simply overwhelm my mental capacity—often at no more than a glance.

Obviously, I'm able to express voluminous thought without much trouble. Not so much for consuming the lengthy essays of others'.

I often do wish it were the other way around.

This was a very good post from you, in a thread I started, and I basically missed it entirely. It's too bad, really.

 

[amadeus]

It's interesting. I bookmarked this page in my email account and, upon stumbling over it while looking for something else, decided to review it.

You amaze me. I know you don't care for flattery one whit, but I just got back from my morning walk so my mind is I unusually clear. And so I just now read through this post of yours with very little distraction.

God amazed people throughout the OT and Jesus amazed people when he walked planet Earth as a man. When we similarly amaze people around us, is it not because God has given us the words or the attitudes which are amazing? Let us remember that so as to hopefully avoid the swelling of our heads which so often wants to manifest itself in us.

But it reminded that sometimes I'm not able to give your posts the appreciation they merit because they simply overwhelm my mental capacity—often at no more than a glance.

Obviously, I'm able to express voluminous thought without much trouble. Not so much for consuming the lengthy essays of others'.

I often do wish it were the other way around.

This was a very good post from you, in a thread I started, and I basically missed it entirely. It's too bad, really.

Give God the glory, my friend! Who else is worthy of it?

 

[dremnant]

The thread title...

What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?​

...is like asking what keeps a fish from running (after transforming it from a horse)?

 

[BarneyFife]

God amazed people throughout the OT and Jesus amazed people when he walked planet Earth as a man. When we similarly amaze people around us, is it not because God has given us the words or the attitudes which are amazing? Let us remember that so as to hopefully avoid the swelling of our heads which so often wants to manifest itself in us.

Give God the glory, my friend! Who else is worthy of it?

Just the reply I expected, and well said.

 

[lforrest]

A few things I expect to contribute:

1. Our new spiritual bodies will not be tempted by the flesh.

2. No temptations from demons or fallen angels.

3. Faith will not be required to know the Lord sees what we are doing.

4. The peace of the Lord will change our behavior.

5. Our experiences from this life will make us weary of sin, and cause us to appreciate God's sovereignty with the knowledge that Jesus is the only reason we made it.

 

[BarneyFife]

The thread title...

What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?​

...is like asking what keeps a fish from running (after transforming it from a horse)?

Welcome, Friend.

Will we then be a different type of fish than that which was created in Adam before the fall?

 

[dremnant]

Welcome, Friend.

Will we then be a different type of fish than that which was created in Adam before the fall?

Firstly, I admit I didn't take the time to read through the whole thread prior to posting...so my apologies.

Just like a typical fish is incapable of running...so shall the saved people be incapable of sinning when they get their new glorified bodies. Imagine there will be no such thing as the lust of the flesh anymore.

 

[BarneyFife]

Firstly, I admit I didn't take the time to read through the whole thread prior to posting...so my apologies.

Who could blame you?

Thanks for voicing, so to speak, your thoughts.

 

[Ezra]

38 pages later what kind of bone head question what keeps us from sinning in heaven . 1. we have a glorified Body not a fleshly sinful nature body. 2 there is NO SIN IN HEAVEN highway of holiness ..........>

Isaiah 35:8-10

King James Version

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8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
10 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.