What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?
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Absolutely!!! It would be abhorrent to me to think that we should have any inherent advantage over them. In that case, the game would have been fixed and that seems impossible, doesn't it? What will keep us from falling is the same thing that keeps the unfallen angels from falling. The plan of salvation was revealed to the angels from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8). They have been working for our benefit ever since. The fallen angels had witnessed for ages the glory of God in very close proximity and were therefore without excuse for their rebellion. Adam and Eve's rebellion took them captive under very quick and deceitful circumstances, so they were granted a further probation period.
The blood of Christ is the eternal antidote for sin. It is a contingency brought about by Lucifer's self-deception EDIT> and his exile to the earth <EDIT. Of course, God foresaw it. But it needn't have ever happened. Only angels and man can be blamed for the entrance of sin into God's perfect creation.
Atonement does 3 things for mankind, all by divine authority. It first justifies, or accounts us righteous before God. It also sanctifies, or transforms our character/behavior. Finally, it glorifies, or transforms our physical condition from either death or, in the case of those who are alive at the time of parousia (Christ's 2nd physical coming), from sickly, corruptible bodies into those like Adam and Eve had before their fall. These 3 things have countless ramifications and sub-categories, of course.
Perfect, sinless nature failed in Heaven with Lucifer and his deceived host. It also failed with the Edenic pair. But with the testimony of what sin cost the only begotten Sovereign of the universe, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world--the scars that Thomas demanded upon Christ's resurrection--the power of the Antidote will be fully effective forever.
To ascribe the prevention of sin in eternity future as being the knowledge of Christ and Him crucified just seems perfectly natural and reasonable to me.
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The pluralism that exists in post-modern Christendom seems to entertain any number of hypotheses as "truth."
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CharismaticLady
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That is why it couldn't be true, yet the only one that came closest to us loving God totally out of free will, and being completely pleasing to God already before we die.
The corruptible will put on incorruptible. Does that not show a difference?
Much love!
CharismaticLady
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What I find appalling is the fact that false doctrines have become Orthodox, and the Truth found in His word has become heresy!
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
I knew this objection would come up. I believe the incorruptible refers to the physical.
I find that having single words to express lengthy terms can be quite handy. You're free to look them up or ignore, etc. Don't hate me because I use a big word now and then. ;)
Hate nah, Jesus never needed to use big words, He had no one to impress. Jesus spoke plain and simple, you will never find Jesus telling anyone to exegete this or that, for Him its imply, this is the way it is, take it or leave it.
God was and is no respecter of persons. He is also inherently fair, something that no man in his flesh can always be. And never changes! This is why God alone is to render a final judgment against anyone. People want a final assurance that they cannot fail, but during their allotted time to expect and know that would put us one up on Adam and Eve.
"These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Prov 24:23
"And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men." Matt 22:16
"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34
"For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?" James 2:2-4
God judges us based on what have done with what we have been given and He alone knows exactly what we have been given, be it money, or time, or education, or opportunity, or loving natural parents, or birth in a poor country to poor parents or... and so forth:
"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48
Waiting on him
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I ve yet to read any scripture that suggests to me there will be a physical return.
Yeah, I really, really love that about Him. But with Paul in the Canon of Scripture, the big words come out with both barrels. Whaddya gonna do? :)
I'll bet you have. You just subscribe to an alternative interpretation.
You've never read this?:
who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
(Acts 1:11)
CharismaticLady
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I like Acts of the Apostles 1
The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
John 14
1“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, https://biblehub.com/nkjv/john/14.htm#footnotesI would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
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