Shall we discuss this?

[Truther]

How are you qualified to determine all that?

Before the seminary was invented, the KJV reader was qualified.

Those pesky seminarians love making new versions.

 

[user]

Because God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit. We don't only worship one part of the Trinity. But Jesus also accepted worship of himself. No mere man can do that unless he is a deciever or is truly God.

The man-made trinity theory that evolved around 325AD (long after the apostles had died) states there are three (3) co-equal, co-eternal, co-existent "PERSONS" in the godhead.

However scriptures state...

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The trinity theory has two (2) SPIRITS IN THE GODHEAD, one for Father and one for Holy Ghost. We also know that Jesus' daddy was the Holy Ghost which over shadowed Mary, however when Jesus made reference to his daddy it was God the Father. So how does one that refuses to embrace the man-made trinity theory address this conflict...

Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Father is HOLY and Father is SPIRIT = Holy Spirit
Father IS the Holy Spirit.

God Bless!

 

[Enoch111]

However, the word of God can make a sperm cell(flesh) to mate with a woman's egg cell...

You would be wise to shut up at this point before you dig yourself any deeper with this kind of nonsense.

 

[Truther]

You missed the point. He was in Heaven and on Earth at the same time. He is God.

John 10
17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
Jesus is God!

"You missed the point. He was in Heaven and on Earth at the same time. He is God."

Where did his power originate?...


10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 

[kcnalp]

Before the seminary was invented, the KJV reader was qualified.

Those pesky seminarians love making new versions.

That doesn't qualify you to rewrite our Christian Bibles.

 

[Truther]

Through the body of Jesus? So, how did they worship before Jesus came in bodily form? You also seem to be contradicting yourself. First you say God is Spirit so we have to worship him in Spirit and now you say we only worship through his body. You need to be consistent.

We now worship Jesus because of the Col 2:9 effect on his post resurrection body.

We cannot bypass Jesus and go to God for even a single word per the verse.

 

[kcnalp]

Where did his power originate?...


10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

"I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."

 

[Truther]

You would be wise to shut up at this point before you dig yourself any deeper with this kind of nonsense.

Was Mary's egg cell involved at all with the conception of the son of man(David/ seed of Abraham)?

 

[Truther]

That doesn't qualify you to rewrite our Christian Bibles.

Rather, the modern versions are a rewrite if the ancient KJV.

 

[kcnalp]

Was Mary's egg cell involved at all with the conception of the son of man(David/ seed of Abraham)?

You're trying to figure out Bible miracles with your mind. Don't waste your time.

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Truther]

"I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."

Now you know where he got his power.

He had no power of his own...


I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

 

[kcnalp]

Rather, the modern versions are a rewrite if the ancient KJV.

You didn't know the KJV says Jesus is God?
KJV
John 1 The Word was God.

 

[kcnalp]

Now you know where he got his power.

He had no power of his own...


I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

KJV John 1 The Word was God.

 

[user]

Rather, the modern versions are a rewrite if the ancient KJV.

Yes I agree. All those later versions have omitted entire passages. When creating a new version, one must make enough text change to avoid copyright laws, thus those later versions have CHANGED God's Word and/or taken from God's Word.

For example take the NIV and turn to Matthew 17:21 ... not there? That's Ok, we can read it in the KJV.

God Bless!

 

[Enoch111]

Was Mary's egg cell involved at all with the conception of the son of man(David/ seed of Abraham)?

Only God has those answers. But what He has revealed to us is that Jesus was conceived SUPERNATURALLY in Mary's womb, by the power of the Holy Spirit. And that is all you need to know.

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS...And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:31,35)

If Christians are not prepared to be satisfied with this, then it is clear that Satan is egging them on to go beyond Scripture.

 

[Renniks]

The man-made trinity theory that evolved around 325AD (long after the apostles had died) states there are three (3) co-equal, co-eternal, co-existent "PERSONS" in the godhead.

However scriptures state...

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The trinity theory has two (2) SPIRITS IN THE GODHEAD, one for Father and one for Holy Ghost. We also know that Jesus' daddy was the Holy Ghost which over shadowed Mary, however when Jesus made reference to his daddy it was God the Father. So how does one that refuses to embrace the man-made trinity theory address this conflict...

Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Father is HOLY and Father is SPIRIT = Holy Spirit
Father IS the Holy Spirit.

God Bless!

Only we have instances in scripture where all three members of the Trinity are present at once...

 

[Renniks]

We now worship Jesus because of the Col 2:9 effect on his post resurrection body.

We cannot bypass Jesus and go to God for even a single word per the verse.

Saying you worship Jesus through his body sounds very Catholic actually, very much like they claim Eucharist works.
We worship every member of the Trinity IMO.

The three persons of God do not divide the substance of God into three, with each getting a third. Rather, each of the three persons "is God whole and entire."

I think you are confused about this.

 

[Taken]

"your Living Soul goes to heaven, Waits for Body to Be Raised?". where is that in the bible? that our souls go to heaven?

Straight off ... The Bible does not give us the elementary Billited points of Facts. We have to read and study to discover What the Facts Are.
So there is No one Scripture I can quote that says the Living Soul goes to Heaven (or that Living Soul is in waiting, or the waiting is for its Body to be Raised).

It would confuse the reader to say All Living souls go God to Heaven...because all Living souls DO NOT go to Heaven. I said "your" TO YOU, because my impression is "YOUR" soul is Saved unto God.

A Body is the Form of a man. It is Formed by God, called a man KIND of thing, by God, Requires a LIFE source for that Formed Body to Begin its own Individual Alive Living Life.
That Life "source" IS Gods Breath.
Gods Breath is IN a Soul.
God Breaths His Life IN a Soul, INTO every Bodily human Body He Forms, AND brings That Bodily Form INTO a Living a state.
That Form (Body) is Then an Individual Living Form.
The LIFE (BLOOD) of that created Form (Body) is then its own individual Living Thing ( called a man KIND of thing)
That Form (Body) was MADE an individual "Alive Living man KIND of thing" the moment it Received a Soul from God With Gods Breath IN that soul.

Body's are Named...and that is the identity of that Formed Body.
A soul IN that Body...has the Same identifying Name as the Body it was put in.

That Body that speaks, calls himself, his soul within him...possessive...him, his, he, my, mine, I, me, etc.

Yet the Blood LIFE OF the Formed Body ... is by Gods Creation...
And the LIFE OF the soul is OF Gods Breath.

The Created LIFE source of the Body (Blood)...is Appointed TO DIE....shall Die.
Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require;

Gods LIFE Shall Never Die.

And ALL Souls Belong to God (who made them)... that God can DO with ANY Soul what He pleases.
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine...
Isa 57:
[16] ... the souls which I have made...

Body (Blood) and Soul (Gods Breath)
Two different Living things.
Two different LIFE Sources.

God informs us:
He is a God of the Living.
God life IN a thing which IS Living.
God is NOT in a thing which is Dead.

When a Body's LIFE (Blood) dies.
The Living Soul leaves the Body.
The Body returns to the ground, from which it came, and returns to Dust of the ground, from which it came.

Gen 35:
[18] And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) ...

So where DO Living souls departed out of Dead Bodies GO?

A Saved soul Always goes to Where "The Tree of Life" IS.

And Where the "Tree of Life" is was Revealed called Paradise.

An unsaved soul Always goes to Where the "The Tree of Life" is Not.

The Tree of Life was IN the Garden of Eden. It was not revealed at that time, called Paradise, or that was Where saved departed souls go.

The Tree of Life in the Garden was simply revealed Good to eat from As a Forever LIFE source.
Gen 2:9
Gen 3:22

Prov 11:
[30] The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life...

You have to decide IF you believe JESUS is Righteous.
If His Soul is Saved.
If His Body died.
If His Body was 3 days/3 nights buried.
If His Soul departed His Body.
If His Soul was 3 days/3 nights in the heart of the Earth.
If His Soul preached to the souls in the heart of the Earth.
If all Living souls of dead men "from the beginning" went to the heart of the Earth.
If there was a Division (a great Gulf) in the heart of the Earth.
If the heart of the Earth is Hell.
If that Division, Divided Saved souls from insaved souls.
If no Saved souls could rise up to Heaven, Until Jesus, came to Earth, was Bodily killed,
...His Soul went to Hell, His Soul returned to
...His Body, His Body rose up back to Living,
...He was Seen by men, and He returned To
...Heaven from whence, He came.
That is IF you believe...Jesus IS Before and
...First in All things...(even men waited for ...Jesus' Soul to rise up to Heaven, before any
...Saved soul could rise up to Heaven.)
If His Soul went to paradise.
If Paradise is where the Tree of Life IS.
If Tree of Life is where Paradise IS.

I can not read, learn, study, Understand for another.
You can word search:
Soul, Tree of Life, Paradise every place in Scripture:
read, learn, study what it means, where it goes, when and why.

Every change God makes in our soul, spirit, Body ... continues to be maintained.

A Saved soul shall live forever, in the Lord Gods Kingdom...
* when the Body is Dead, the Living Soul shall go up to Gods Kingdom, which is Heaven.
* when the Lord Gods kingdom is revealed on Earth..(paradise)...(the WHOLE of a man shall live forever with the Lord God) the whole...risen Body in Glory, The Restored Saved Living Soul, The Quickened born Again spirit...and shall be maintained...by the Tree of Life, and its Fruit.

2 Cor 12:
[4] How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Rev 2:
[7] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev.22
[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[101G]

Straight off ... The Bible does not give us the elementary Billited points of Facts. We have to read and study to discover What the Facts Are.
So there is No one Scripture I can quote that says the Living Soul goes to Heaven (or that Living Soul is in waiting, or the waiting is for its Body to be Raised).

It would confuse the reader to say All Living souls go God to Heaven...because all Living souls DO NOT go to Heaven. I said "your" TO YOU, because my impression is "YOUR" soul is Saved unto God.

A Body is the Form of a man. It is Formed by God, called a man KIND of thing, by God, Requires a LIFE source for that Formed Body to Begin its own Individual Alive Living Life.
That Life "source" IS Gods Breath.
Gods Breath is IN a Soul.
God Breaths His Life IN a Soul, INTO every Bodily human Body He Forms, AND brings That Bodily Form INTO a Living a state.
That Form (Body) is Then an Individual Living Form.
The LIFE (BLOOD) of that created Form (Body) is then its own individual Living Thing ( called a man KIND of thing)
That Form (Body) was MADE an individual "Alive Living man KIND of thing" the moment it Received a Soul from God With Gods Breath IN that soul.

Body's are Named...and that is the identity of that Formed Body.
A soul IN that Body...has the Same identifying Name as the Body it was put in.

That Body that speaks, calls himself, his soul within him...possessive...him, his, he, my, mine, I, me, etc.

Yet the Blood LIFE OF the Formed Body ... is by Gods Creation...
And the LIFE OF the soul is OF Gods Breath.

The Created LIFE source of the Body (Blood)...is Appointed TO DIE....shall Die.
Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require;

Gods LIFE Shall Never Die.

And ALL Souls Belong to God (who made them)... that God can DO with ANY Soul what He pleases.
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine...
Isa 57:
[16] ... the souls which I have made...

Body (Blood) and Soul (Gods Breath)
Two different Living things.
Two different LIFE Sources.

God informs us:
He is a God of the Living.
God life IN a thing which IS Living.
God is NOT in a thing which is Dead.

When a Body's LIFE (Blood) dies.
The Living Soul leaves the Body.
The Body returns to the ground, from which it came, and returns to Dust of the ground, from which it came.

Gen 35:
[18] And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) ...

So where DO Living souls departed out of Dead Bodies GO?

A Saved soul Always goes to Where "The Tree of Life" IS.

And Where the "Tree of Life" is was Revealed called Paradise.

An unsaved soul Always goes to Where the "The Tree of Life" is Not.

The Tree of Life was IN the Garden of Eden. It was not revealed at that time, called Paradise, or that was Where saved departed souls go.

The Tree of Life in the Garden was simply revealed Good to eat from As a Forever LIFE source.
Gen 2:9
Gen 3:22

Prov 11:
[30] The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life...

You have to decide IF you believe JESUS is Righteous.
If His Soul is Saved.
If His Body died.
If His Body was 3 days/3 nights buried.
If His Soul departed His Body.
If His Soul was 3 days/3 nights in the heart of the Earth.
If His Soul preached to the souls in the heart of the Earth.
If all Living souls of dead men "from the beginning" went to the heart of the Earth.
If there was a Division (a great Gulf) in the heart of the Earth.
If the heart of the Earth is Hell.
If that Division, Divided Saved souls from insaved souls.
If no Saved souls could rise up to Heaven, Until Jesus, came to Earth, was Bodily killed,
...His Soul went to Hell, His Soul returned to
...His Body, His Body rose up back to Living,
...He was Seen by men, and He returned To
...Heaven from whence, He came.
That is IF you believe...Jesus IS Before and
...First in All things...(even men waited for ...Jesus' Soul to rise up to Heaven, before any
...Saved soul could rise up to Heaven.)
If His Soul went to paradise.
If Paradise is where the Tree of Life IS.
If Tree of Life is where Paradise IS.

I can not read, learn, study, Understand for another.
You can word search:
Soul, Tree of Life, Paradise every place in Scripture:
read, learn, study what it means, where it goes, when and why.

Every change God makes in our soul, spirit, Body ... continues to be maintained.

A Saved soul shall live forever, in the Lord Gods Kingdom...
* when the Body is Dead, the Living Soul shall go up to Gods Kingdom, which is Heaven.
* when the Lord Gods kingdom is revealed on Earth..(paradise)...(the WHOLE of a man shall live forever with the Lord God) the whole...risen Body in Glory, The Restored Saved Living Soul, The Quickened born Again spirit...and shall be maintained...by the Tree of Life, and its Fruit.

2 Cor 12:
[4] How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Rev 2:
[7] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev.22
[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Glory to God,
Taken

First thanks for your reply, second, but nothing you said, move me from my positions. but thanks for the reply.

PICJAG.

 

[user]

Only we have instances in scripture where all three members of the Trinity are present at once...

Please post them so to take a look

 

[Taken]

I reiterate...
The Bible teaches God INSIDE Christ.

Ya well it also Teaches the Word is Jesus, and uh...Jesus came forth out from God...

Not rocket science...for the Word Jesus to come out from God...He was IN God!

Anyone that teaches incarnation, teaches the exact opposite.

No.

They teach God IS ACTUALLY Christ.

Well, Christ is the Name of:
Gods Power
Gods Wisdom
Gods Seed

They teach God is inside Himself, in every verse that says "God inside Christ".

Good grief man, get a grip.

The Lord God Almighty IS One God.
Every part of God is God...
His Thoughts, His Word, His Spirit, His Power, His Seed, His Soul, His Authority, His Righteousness, His Goodness....

God has Multiple Names and Titles...still One God.

Why is that so confusing to you?

Are You multiple persons because you have your own thoughts, words, spirit, power, seed, soul, authority, multiple names, multiple titles???

When your word comes forth out of your mouth...
Did you not think it? Did you not use your Power to make your word come forth out from you? And what? did your own word not also remain in you?

When you use your power to get out of bed...
Are you now in a predicament...and used up all your power? Have no power left in you to take a step?

Gods Word / Gods Power comes forth out from Him and His Word / His Power Remains IN Him.

You come to this forum with a Name you Picked...to reveal your words...

But I bet you have other Names and Titles...
So What...Can God NOT DO the very same things? Choose His Own Names, Choose His Own Titles?

Of course He Can...and has shown us He Has Numerous Times...why is that seemingly a phenomenon to you...when you do the same thing?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

First thanks for your reply, second, but nothing you said, move me from my positions. but thanks for the reply.

PICJAG.

Not precisely sure what your position is...or what you precisely Reject...

However I have read, learned, studied and am confidant...
A man who is not Made Accounted Whole (Body, soul, spirit), (by The Lord God Almighty's accounting)...will Not live forever With the Lord God).

Glory to God,
Taken