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mjrhealth

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No He did not.

You're saying Jesus wasn't good? Pity you!
Pity Jesus doesnt know who He is, imagine that He gets no Honor from Men just liek He says.

Joh_5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Joh_8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
 

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Pity Jesus doesnt know who He is, imagine that He gets no Honor from Men just liek He says.

Joh_5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Joh_8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Jesus indeed knows Who He is.

John 14 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
 

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Jesus indeed knows Who He is.

John 14 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
Yep because the are both one in accord, never said He was God,

Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Just like He stated He is.
 

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Yep because the are both one in accord, never said He was God,
Yes He did.
John 14 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.
Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Jesus is God the Creator!
Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Just like He stated He is.
John 3:13
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
 

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Yes He did.
John 14 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.
Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Jesus is God the Creator!

John 3:13
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
So you going to go tell the son that he is a deceiver because he is actually the father,
 

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The entire message of the Gospel is this in summary....
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
But, the incarnationist refutes it by thinking Paul really meant this...
19 To wit, that God was in HIS OWN FLESH, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
What a huge difference.

No idea what you are Referencing.
19 - references nothing.

* The Word of God was IN God.
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

* The Word of God was WITH God, IS God.
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

* The Word of God was made Flesh.
John 1:
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

* The Word of God, in Flesh, in a human form IS called Jesus.
Matt 1:
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt callhis name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

* The Word of God, called Jesus, SHALL be called, the Son of God.
Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The Word of God IS IN, WITH, IS God.
Gods Word IS IN, WITH, IS God.

Doesn't matter What FORM or FASHION, God reveals HIS Word to His created mankind....
BE it...BY a Sound, BY a Vision, BY a Flame, BY a Dove, BY the Flesh FORM in the LIKENESS "as" a human man...
God Himself plainly Notifies man, it IS HE Himself being Revealed.


Flesh Body-
* God Himself revealed Himself...IN a FLESH Body... that Resembled the "LIKENESS" of a Flesh Body of "His created and Made and Formed mankind".

I have quoted numerous Scriptures regarding this point. --->
* the Flesh Body Gods Word "Appeared to mankind"...
* was NOT human Flesh
* was NOT human Blood and Bone
* was NOT by the Will or Act of a Human man
* was NOT by a Human sperm or Human egg
* was NOT Corrupt
* was NOT a human

* WAS in a FASHION...that Looked "LIKE" a Human man.
* WAS in a "FORM"...that Looked "LIKE" a Human man.
* WAS in a "FASHION" ...that walked, talked, ate, slept, heard, displayed emotional feelings, seen by Human men, was called a man, was Treated Like a man, was plotted against, was tried to be Tricked, was gossiped about, was rightly followed, was wrongly accused, was accepted, was doubted, was denied, was rejected, was mocked, was abused, was kind, was helpful, was offering, was giving, was exalting of God, was Teaching of Gods Truth, was just, was forthright, was righteous...was without Corruption.

That Flesh Body- was Prepared of God.
The Word of God- IS God, IS Spirit.
The Word of God....Who IS God, Who IS Spirit...
IS The Spirit "THAT" Took "upon" Himself TWO Things...
1) - a Prepared Flesh (not a CREATED Human Flesh)
2) - The SEED of (Faithful, servant, Righteous, father of nations ON Earth)... Abraham.

* UPON...IS the Outer of That which already Exists.
* Gods Spirit, Word is Without Beginning or Ending...Exists Eternally...Never Changes.
* God revealed WHAT He Took Upon Himself.
* God revealed WHY He took Those Two Things Upon Himself.

The WHOLE intent of the Gospel is to hear, learn, comprehend Gods Desire is To CHANGE a Willing corrupt Natural man INTO a wholly Whole holy man to forever be WITH God.

The WHOLE Gospel IS mankind's Offering (by God) of Knowledge, Way, Wisdom, Example for ANY willing man, TO BE informed of Gods Offering...and such man Freely Accept or Freely Reject Gods Offering.

Incarnate-
a deity or spirit embodied in flesh; in human form.

Yes the Holy Spirit of God took upon Himself a FLESH Body "He Prepared", that "Appeared" in the "Likeness" as the Created Form of a Human man. (Not the "likeness" form of a CREATED angel, not the "likeness" form of a CREATED animal)

No the Holy Spirit of God DID NOT take upon His (Himself) Spirit...an already existing Flesh Body or an already existing Human.

God is always IN Agreement With Himself,
God is Always IN, WITH, IS Himself.

Gods Flesh, IS Not Human Flesh.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Because God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit. We don't only worship one part of the Trinity. But Jesus also accepted worship of himself. No mere man can do that unless he is a deciever or is truly God.
God is worshiped THROUGH the body of Jesus.

You cannot skip Jesus in any part of the process.

Never even try it.
 

Truther

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The Word became flesh.

John 3:13
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Right, man in heaven.

Jesus even died before the world was made.

That is how a man was in heaven all along.

God had a human Jesus in heaven, because He can transcend time.
 

Truther

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Why do you struggle so with the Book of miracles?

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
That does not say Jesus has omnipresent flesh.
 

Truther

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Why not? Because you say so? The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God!


Isaiah 40
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness: "Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.
Matthew 3
3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying: "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the LORD; Make His paths straight.' "
Did you know that incarnationists universally teach the body of Jesus is only man sized, and that only certain parts of God are in Jesus' body, and not every bit of what God consists of per Col 2:9?

You may be shocked to find that out...I was.
 

Truther

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No idea what you are Referencing.
19 - references nothing.

* The Word of God was IN God.
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

* The Word of God was WITH God, IS God.
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

* The Word of God was made Flesh.
John 1:
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

* The Word of God, in Flesh, in a human form IS called Jesus.
Matt 1:
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt callhis name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

* The Word of God, called Jesus, SHALL be called, the Son of God.
Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The Word of God IS IN, WITH, IS God.
Gods Word IS IN, WITH, IS God.

Doesn't matter What FORM or FASHION, God reveals HIS Word to His created mankind....
BE it...BY a Sound, BY a Vision, BY a Flame, BY a Dove, BY the Flesh FORM in the LIKENESS "as" a human man...
God Himself plainly Notifies man, it IS HE Himself being Revealed.


Flesh Body-
* God Himself revealed Himself...IN a FLESH Body... that Resembled the "LIKENESS" of a Flesh Body of "His created and Made and Formed mankind".

I have quoted numerous Scriptures regarding this point. --->
* the Flesh Body Gods Word "Appeared to mankind"...
* was NOT human Flesh
* was NOT human Blood and Bone
* was NOT by the Will or Act of a Human man
* was NOT by a Human sperm or Human egg
* was NOT Corrupt
* was NOT a human

* WAS in a FASHION...that Looked "LIKE" a Human man.
* WAS in a "FORM"...that Looked "LIKE" a Human man.
* WAS in a "FASHION" ...that walked, talked, ate, slept, heard, displayed emotional feelings, seen by Human men, was called a man, was Treated Like a man, was plotted against, was tried to be Tricked, was gossiped about, was rightly followed, was wrongly accused, was accepted, was doubted, was denied, was rejected, was mocked, was abused, was kind, was helpful, was offering, was giving, was exalting of God, was Teaching of Gods Truth, was just, was forthright, was righteous...was without Corruption.

That Flesh Body- was Prepared of God.
The Word of God- IS God, IS Spirit.
The Word of God....Who IS God, Who IS Spirit...
IS The Spirit "THAT" Took "upon" Himself TWO Things...
1) - a Prepared Flesh (not a CREATED Human Flesh)
2) - The SEED of (Faithful, servant, Righteous, father of nations ON Earth)... Abraham.

* UPON...IS the Outer of That which already Exists.
* Gods Spirit, Word is Without Beginning or Ending...Exists Eternally...Never Changes.
* God revealed WHAT He Took Upon Himself.
* God revealed WHY He took Those Two Things Upon Himself.

The WHOLE intent of the Gospel is to hear, learn, comprehend Gods Desire is To CHANGE a Willing corrupt Natural man INTO a wholly Whole holy man to forever be WITH God.

The WHOLE Gospel IS mankind's Offering (by God) of Knowledge, Way, Wisdom, Example for ANY willing man, TO BE informed of Gods Offering...and such man Freely Accept or Freely Reject Gods Offering.

Incarnate-
a deity or spirit embodied in flesh; in human form.

Yes the Holy Spirit of God took upon Himself a FLESH Body "He Prepared", that "Appeared" in the "Likeness" as the Created Form of a Human man. (Not the "likeness" form of a CREATED angel, not the "likeness" form of a CREATED animal)

No the Holy Spirit of God DID NOT take upon His (Himself) Spirit...an already existing Flesh Body or an already existing Human.

God is always IN Agreement With Himself,
God is Always IN, WITH, IS Himself.

Gods Flesh, IS Not Human Flesh.

Glory to God,
Taken
I reiterate...

The Bible teaches God INSIDE Christ.

Anyone that teaches incarnation, teaches the exact opposite.

They teach God IS ACTUALLY Christ.

They teach God is inside Himself, in every verse that says "God inside Christ".

They simply teach a faux Christ, a flesh blob of God.
 

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Right, man in heaven.
You missed the point. He was in Heaven and on Earth at the same time. He is God.
Jesus even died before the world was made.
John 10
17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
Jesus is God!
That is how a man was in heaven all along.

God had a human Jesus in heaven, because He can transcend time.
"You missed the point. He was in Heaven and on Earth at the same time. He is God."
 

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I reiterate...

The Bible teaches God INSIDE Christ.

Anyone that teaches incarnation, teaches the exact opposite.

They teach God IS ACTUALLY Christ.

They teach God is inside Himself, in every verse that says "God inside Christ".

They simply teach a faux Christ, a flesh blob of God.
John 1 The Word was God.

God can't stop nor start being God.
 

kcnalp

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Did you know that incarnationists universally teach the body of Jesus is only man sized, and that only certain parts of God are in Jesus' body, and not every bit of what God consists of per Col 2:9?

You may be shocked to find that out...I was.
I don't care what they teach. I care what the Bible says.

John 17
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Jesus is God!
 

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I don't care what they teach. I care what the Bible says.

John 17
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Jesus is God!
Here is that glory Jesus prayed for...


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


Then notice, Jesus died right after that prayer.
 

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God is worshiped THROUGH the body of Jesus.

You cannot skip Jesus in any part of the process.

Never even try it.
Through the body of Jesus? So, how did they worship before Jesus came in bodily form? You also seem to be contradicting yourself. First you say God is Spirit so we have to worship him in Spirit and now you say we only worship through his body. You need to be consistent.