Passover vs Eucharist

[Eternally Grateful]

If you did not learn what you are teaching from men, then from whom did you learn it?

I have asked you the same question multiple times now

Please answer

after you eat the flesh of Christ at mass. do you think you can die?

 

[Marymog]

yawn

You were not there 2000 years ago so you historical persective does not mean anything, You are assuming history as you see it was correctly written by men.

This is the same argument the jews used against Christ.

If that's how you want to go?

Again

after you eat the flesh of Christ at mass. do you think you can die?

You are truly a fascinating person. I am trying to figure out if you really believe what you write. Since I wasn't there 2,000 years ago my historical persective (perspective?) does not mean anything???? I am assuming history was correctly written by me????? Buuuuttttt the same doesn't hold true to YOU and the men YOU follow???

BTW...What man did you learn your 'chew and gnaw' theory from?

 

[Marymog]

I have asked you the same question multiple times now

Please answer

after you eat the flesh of Christ at mass. do you think you can die?

Read post #234 along with the other MULTIPLE TIMES I have answered kiddo.

 

[Marymog]

I have asked you the same question multiple times now

Please answer

after you eat the flesh of Christ at mass. do you think you can die?

Since you have refused multiple request to tell me from what men you have learned your "chew and gnaw" teaching from I suspect you are to embarrassed to tell me. I feel bad for people who shout from the roof top what they believe but then shy away from revealing who taught them. I suspect they have their reasons.....

I will save you the embarrassment of revealing your teacher and move on.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus

If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

If you are talking Spiritually (which I believe you are) I will die (go to hell) IF I did not fulfill all the other expectations put forth in Scripture that I am supposed to do to be saved.

Mary

Thanks, You just proved you do not believe when he said WHOEVER eats will never die

There is no need to go further with our discussion.

I can not follow you or anyone who says Jesus lied when he made this specific promise

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Since you have refused multiple request to tell me from what men you have learned your "chew and gnaw" teaching from I suspect you are to embarrassed to tell me. I feel bad for people who shout from the roof top what they believe but then shy away from revealing who taught them. I suspect they have their reasons.....

I will save you the embarrassment of revealing your teacher and move on.

that is irrevelent to our conversation.

You assume I remember the name of the person who pointed out to ne what the word eat actually means

Your drawing on straws. using history, and all the other excuses

You answered my question, and proved (at least to me) you do not believe Jesus when he made the promise

There is no need to go any further.. Thank you for the converation

 

[Marymog]

yet you had time to say yes or no right here.

lol

sorry, But this makes me laugh as to how you can not see what you just did

Alright kiddo....I did answer your question BEFORE you asked me to answer it a 2nd time sooooo there is nothing to "see what I just did".

You are impatient....take a chill pill and slow down. Wait for me to respond before asking the same question again in a different post....

 

[Marymog]

Thanks, You just proved you do not believe when he said WHOEVER eats will never die

Ok kiddo.....I'm going to try this one more time.

ONCE AGAIN: There is more to Scripture about what it takes to be saved or "not die" than one single passage about eating and never dying. You are stuck on ONE PASSAGE from Scripture as your "proof passage" instead of looking at all of Scripture. That is a common Protestant mistake.

I bid you well....God bless...Mary

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok kiddo.....I'm going to try this one more time.

ONCE AGAIN: There is more to Scripture about what it takes to be saved or "not die" than one single passage about eating and never dying. You are stuck on ONE PASSAGE from Scripture as your "proof passage" instead of looking at all of Scripture. That is a common Protestant mistake.

I bid you well....God bless...Mary

Ok Kiddo

I am going to explain this one more time

JESUS SAID WHOEVER EATS THIS BREAD WILL NEVER DIE,

I take Jesus at his word. If we can eat his bread and still die, JESUS LIED.

 

[Marymog]

Ok Kiddo

I am going to explain this one more time

JESUS SAID WHOEVER EATS THIS BREAD WILL NEVER DIE,

I take Jesus at his word. If we can eat his bread and still die, JESUS LIED.

I feel sorry for the person who calls Him a liar.;)

Praying for you....

 

[Marymog]

Ok Kiddo

I am going to explain this one more time

JESUS SAID WHOEVER EATS THIS BREAD WILL NEVER DIE,

I take Jesus at his word. If we can eat his bread and still die, JESUS LIED.

I take Jesus at his word also kiddo.

He called Peter satan so he must really be satan.

 

[Renniks]

I didn't read the whole thread, but if it was literal and not symbolic, I must have missed that part where the disciples all turned into vampires and suddenly decided it was ok to drink human blood, and the part where Jesus drained his blood into thier cups.

 

[Marymog]

I didn't read the whole thread, but if it was literal and not symbolic, I must have missed that part where the disciples all turned into vampires and suddenly decided it was ok to drink human blood, and the part where Jesus drained his blood into thier cups.

Hi Renniks,

Vampires suck the blood from a living thing, they do not drink from a cup, sooooo your vampire comparison makes no sense.

Jesus handed them a cup of wine and said "This is my blood...". What did he mean by that since he obviously didn't 'drain his blood into the cup'?

If you believe He meant that the bread and wine were symbols of his body and blood then do you 'symbolically' act like a vampire?

Who's writings (beliefs/teachings) do you think are more reliable on this matter: The writings of the 1st century Christians who walked and talked with the Apostles or the writings of the 16th century Christians?

Curious

 

[marks]

Who's writings (beliefs/teachings) do you think are more reliable on this matter: The writings of the 1st century Christians who walked and talked with the Apostles or the writings of the 16th century Christians?

I would base my understandings directly from Scripture. I do not find it lacking.

Your perception of 1st century Christians is narrowly guided by the extant literature. Commentators should always be checked against Scripture regardless of what century.

Much love!

 

[marksman]

Jesus CLEARLY told them they had to eat his body and drink his blood soooooooo CLEARLY he did tell them to do something that was...what you believe.....contrary to Jewish Law.

The disciples that were offended by what He said question him and walked away. They couldn’t fathom eating his body and drinking his blood and maybe even, as you suggested, they rejected him because they knew it was against Jewish Law. Here we are 2,000 years later and you are questioning Him, rejecting him and walking away just like they did....how sad.

Mary

No comment as I have made my understanding clear.

 

[marksman]

Hmmmm......Sooooooo Jesus didn’t say to the Apostles at The Last Supper “This IS my body/blood...”?

The Old Testament is specific about why one was not to eat blood: “The life of every creature is the blood of it; therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood” (Lv 17:14, cf. Dt 12:23). The Israelites could not eat animal blood because it contained the animal’s life, but there is one Person whose life you must have in you, “ unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you (John 6:53).


Curious

No comment. I have made my position clear.

 

[Grailhunter]

I take Jesus at his word also kiddo.

He called Peter satan so he must really be satan.

Well I guess Marymog...The people were disgusted because it was regular food and drink? That His disciples left over regular food and drink? He risked losing His disciples and Apostle over a dinner? He was describing this disgusting thing so it would offend people? He was risking turning away the Jews and His Apostles over something that really was not all that important? Are they saying that He liked pretending people were eating His body and drinking His blood? Are they believing that a symbology would decide if they had eternal life and He would raise them on the last day? What Christ was telling them was not only about accept Him and His word or believing in Him...because He gave them no choice and then He actually did it at the Last Supper and said, This is My blood. He did not say, this represents My blood or this is symbolically my blood. It is amazing how the Living Word of God can judge people and refuse to give them the truth....the Living Word has judged them to be unworthy. Who are we to try to interfere? What does it mean to believe in Jesus? Does His Words matter? The saving Blood of Christ, I wonder if people actually believe that....maybe they believe He was only symbolically crucified?

 

[Renniks]

Hi Renniks,

Vampires suck the blood from a living thing, they do not drink from a cup, sooooo your vampire comparison makes no sense.

Jesus handed them a cup of wine and said "This is my blood...". What did he mean by that since he obviously didn't 'drain his blood into the cup'?

If you believe He meant that the bread and wine were symbols of his body and blood then do you 'symbolically' act like a vampire?

Who's writings (beliefs/teachings) do you think are more reliable on this matter: The writings of the 1st century Christians who walked and talked with the Apostles or the writings of the 16th century Christians?

Curious

I'll tell you what he didn't mean. He didn't mean what was in the cup was actually blood.
Of course it's symbolic, so was the Passover meal. It's full of symbolism, so why would his adaption of it not be?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I take Jesus at his word also kiddo.

He called Peter satan so he must really be satan.

Jesus said, WHOEVER eats the bread I will give them WILL never die

You claim in what you have said,

Jesus said whoever eats the bread that He will give MAY never die (in your words they also have to do what ever else you claim Jesus said we have to do if we really want to live forever)

These two statements are not the same and incompatible. One is an absolute YOU WILL. one is conditional YOU MAY..

I am sorry, But you have failed to convince me they are the same flesh. For the sake of some dear catholic people I have met since I arrived, I am finished with this conversation. It is just not worth destroying friendships over (I pray I have not done this already)

 

[Marymog]

I would base my understandings directly from Scripture. I do not find it lacking.

Your perception of 1st century Christians is narrowly guided by the extant literature. Commentators should always be checked against Scripture regardless of what century.

Much love!

Hi Marks,

Thank you for your honesty. Ignatius was a student of the Apostle John. He obviously based his understanding (literature) directly from an Apostle. Do you sincerely believe that your understanding of Scripture is superior to that of Ignatius?

Also, why wouldn’t 1st century literature be more reliable than 16th century literature? After all the writers of 1st century literature walked and talked with the Apostles or students of the Apostles.

Mary