Fear God or Presume acceptance

[mjrhealth]

We can trust that God will judge all men according to their works. Now is the time for grace...but on judgment day it will be only works that will be made manifest. It will be about what we have done with what we have been given.

And the surprise of many will be great. Especially they who assumed and presumed their way through life.

No HE wont and thats teh part you have missed.

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

you know this part

Rom_6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom_6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom_6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

everyone wants to be judged by there works, Boasting thats all you want to do

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[mjrhealth]

Then you have no hope! No sin was ever paid for! The Bible never says that! Why would you hang your hope on a theory that you cannot find stated in Scripture?

You say, "All of you sins were future sins when Christ died..." The truth is, your future sins did not exist!

You reveal what you are basing your theology on... "If your future sin was not paid on the cross..." This is the assumption that you hold dearer than Scripture itself, and you are forcing that conclusion on every passage in the Bible that you read. That's the real "danger"!

We are not talking about what Christ did, we are talking about you now.

 

[marks]

I'll make it simpler so you can understand: can a Christian be perfect in Christ? His power lead him to be perfect, so why can't it lead you to be perfect? In other words, why do you have to keep falling in Christ?

OK, thank you!

There are different ways some people use these words, I want to be sure I knew how you mean.

By falling, I expect you mean, to fall into sin?

There is also "falling from Grace" which is to stop trusting Jesus because you've started trusting in something you do for yourself.

But I believe so long as you are trusting in Jesus, in His complete and final and all encompassing work on the cross, instead of anything else, then this is the faith in which we have access to the grace in which we stand. And no, you need not stop that kind of trusting.

I like to compare this to Jesus calling Peter toward him on the sea.

Jesus called, and Peter obeyed, and in Peter's obedience his faith is seen, and he can walk on the sea. But when Peter started to think of the wind and the waves as a threat, then he stopped trusting Jesus, and began to sink.

Does it have to be that way? No. I don't think so. No requirement from God that we sink.

Much love!

 

[mjrhealth]

Then you have no hope! No sin was ever paid for! The Bible never says that! Why would you hang your hope on a theory that you cannot find stated in Scripture?

You say, "All of you sins were future sins when Christ died..." The truth is, your future sins did not exist!

You reveal what you are basing your theology on... "If your future sin was not paid on the cross..." This is the assumption that you hold dearer than Scripture itself, and you are forcing that conclusion on every passage in the Bible that you read. That's the real "danger"!

Havnt you read

Rom_6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

HEs not going to do it again

and this bit

Joh_19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What part of finished do you not understand

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Anti biblical huh, and why should that matter. Seriously, justify the bible.

Yes, anti-biblical.

The only thing God sent down to guide people was HIS SPIRIT,

That is absolutely false. :)

never in any prophecies was this pillar called the bible that you speak up. And don't go thinking that God didn't prophecy about the bible for the same reason he didn't prophecy about the prophets. Rather, he prophecied about every pillar of the new covenant, and if the bible were a pillar, then it would have been prophesied about. However, it wasn't in the slightest. This is a pillar of your own creation, not God's

Actually God did prophecy this, and you're also in grave error.

 

[marks]

This is all basic stuff. Reading comprehension and honesty. You are lacking in both.

That time always seems to come.

 

[marks]

So of course you can't stop sinning. It is your actual life.

But to abide in Christ means to walk...as long as one keeps the faith...exactly as Jesus walked (see I say it over and over again but you can't understand what I say nor the bible)

So then your view is that Eternally Grateful is unregenerate?

That he cannot stop sinning? And that, I surmise, yours is the part that you walk in Christ as long as you are trusting?

 

[marks]

Anti biblical huh, and why should that matter. Seriously, justify the bible. The only thing God sent down to guide people was HIS SPIRIT, never in any prophecies was this pillar called the bible that you speak up. And don't go thinking that God didn't prophecy about the bible for the same reason he didn't prophecy about the prophets. Rather, he prophecied about every pillar of the new covenant, and if the bible were a pillar, then it would have been prophesied about. However, it wasn't in the slightest. This is a pillar of your own creation, not God's

As you don't believe the Bible to be God's Word, well, that's my premise being here. So, best wishes!

 

[CharismaticLady]

I really look at this very differently from you.

I don't think that ignorance of knowledge of sin is what is at issue. I don't think even the commission of sin is the issue. The sinner sins, and the child of God does righteousness.

Some of the thoughts out there are . . .

A child of God sins, and it just shows they aren't a child of God, because no child of God sins.
A child of God sins, and they stop being a child of God.
A child of God sins, and they have a way to make it right with God, and they do, or they don't.

Or is there another option?

You've pointed to something done that you recognize was wrong, and perceive God did a miracle with you, in that even though there was sin, yet there was no separation.

You've pointed to God's foreknowledge as the reason. That He knew you would be righteous at the end, so He did not count the sin, and did not separate from you.

I suggest there is a different reason. I think this does begin with foreknowledge . . .

Romans 8
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Having foreknown us, He predestinated us, set limits in advance, to be made just like Jesus. So He also called, and justified, and glorified.

God gives us Christ, and everything else. None can charge or condemn us, because God justifies us, because Christ died and rose again, and died and rose in Him.

I think that God has justified us away from sin, that this is to be born a new creation, not in the line of Adam, not from the man of earth, earthy, but from the man of heaven, heavenly.

Much love!

Whenever God speaks to me directly, it is profound and will change what I've thought up to then, and I've got more thinking to do.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The above is the most blatant, anti-biblical, false prophecying and false gospel I've seen to date.

I said a few things there, so be more specific, please and tell me why you believe what you do about it with scripture.

 

[CharismaticLady]

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:1. The above shows true ignorance of the gospel of grace, the balance of the post is utter heresy, full of "I's" and devoid of the true gospel.

Of course it is full of "I"s. It's about me.

 

[CharismaticLady]

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:1. The above shows true ignorance of the gospel of grace, the balance of the post is utter heresy, full of "I's" and devoid of the true gospel.

The rest of Romans 8:1 is "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." False doctrines are formed from ignoring the conditions.

 

[marks]

Whenever God speaks to me directly, it is profound and will change what I've thought up to then, and I've got more thinking to do.

15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Much love!

 

[mjrhealth]

I am not perfect. Jesus is perfect. But the gospel is that I take on HIS perfection when I enter into Him. So then IN Him I walk as He walked....without sin.

So therefore you sin just like the rest of us. The only one who never sinned was Christ, and not matter what you say you are not Him.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Much love!

That isn't speaking of "private revelations," he literally answers what these things are in the following verses.

Nor is it a proof text given theopneustos to support "private revelations."

We can conclude that the "private revelations" witnessed on here, typically "God woke me up and said..." are false and notional, as when compared to Scripture they are proven errant.

And if they were "the word of God" contact a bible publisher and have it added to the canon.

 

[Episkopos]

So therefore you sin just like the rest of us. The only one who never sinned was Christ, and not matter what you say you are not Him.

Again you are denying Christ in others. You make this about yourself and then try to rope me into your situation...so that without Christ my life looks like yours. Why do you do that? Why must you act with so much guile and bad motives?

But you aren't listening.

IN Christ is no sin. I have walked in Him for extended periods of time...without sin. And this is the training of Christ. Going in and out of the Spirit. Learning what the environment of holiness is so that when I am not IN the Spirit I can still walk in a way that is right according to knowledge, wisdom and understanding. It takes a lot of Christ-likeness to REMAIN in His perfection.

Whether present of absent with the Lord doing all that is pleasing to Him.

But I have also been raised into heaven. To walk in His resurrection life. And this life is training. To walk where we are called to walk in eternity...right now. From that experience we can order our lives aright. From the faith which that produces we can walk in a way that is pleasing to God...not in ignorance, but with a full knowledge. And from that experience and anointing the gifts of the Spirit are measured to us.

You are looking for failure. And I have failed in my life and failed big in times past. But only the devil glories in the failure of another. Your pride is telling you that others are gloating over your own failures. But I'm not doing that. I'm trying to help you and others to know the way that overcomes sin and experiences His life in the fullest way. So I hope you aren't looking for more self-justification for your own failures. I don't look for the failure in others. I exhort all men to run the race and run to win. I testify to what I have seen and experienced. And you are showing that you have no experience at all of the risen Christ. And you are looking to destroy that possibility....by that lack of experience.

Are you against overcoming in Christ? You disbelieve the testimony of the bible...and of course my own too. Or are you just against that experience in others? Cain was also against his own brother's success with God. Did Cain want Abel to surpass him in knowledge and experience with God? No, his pride and anger were aroused. Abel would have exhorted his brother to continue seeking...and even God did so...but Cain was simply looking at his failure and desiring that same failure in others. This is how you are coming across.

The body that is set against itself is cancer ridden. The body of Christ works together as a team to victory. Or else God will sort it out and destroy what is offensive to growth in holiness.

 

[Episkopos]

Because of religious pride and obstinate unbelief....it is difficult to post bible verses that speak of victory in Christ over the things of this world and the power of the flesh.

Modern believers don't believe it for the most part.

And to make things worse is to testify to the truth of the bible IN that victory in one's own experience. These will accuse the one who has believed into Christ as claiming to do things in his own strength...fully denying the victory in Christ to others AND themselves.

Jesus is left out of the equation. Why?

They themselves cannot stop sinning by entering into Christ and these deny that victory to others. It is about entering into the kingdom of God. So to not enter in is one thing but to stop others also from entering is quite another.

Doesn't that sound familiar?

I can do ALL things through Christ that strengthens me. But many don't believe that. With God ALL things are possible. A believer should not deny these things.

 

[marks]

That isn't speaking of "private revelations," he literally answers what these things are in the following verses.

Nor is it a proof text given theopneustos to support "private revelations."

We can conclude that the "private revelations" witnessed on here, typically "God woke me up and said..." are false and notional, as when compared to Scripture they are proven errant.

And if they were "the word of God" contact a bible publisher and have it added to the canon.

Hey, I was simply repeating Paul's prayer for CL.

Do you mind?

But on a personal note . . . I do hope one day you will recognize the amazing wonder of realizing you are hearing from your Creator.

 

[marks]

But I'm not doing that. I'm trying to help you and others to know the way that overcomes sin and experiences His life in the fullest way.

I truly think you are your own worst enemy in this respect. Please PM if you wish elaboration.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Hey, I was simply repeating Paul's prayer for CL.

Do you mind?

But on a personal note . . . I do hope one day you will recognize the amazing wonder of realizing you are hearing from your Creator.

No, sorry, you weren't "simply repeating", and you've proven it in your last sentence above.

But thanks nonetheless.

Your last sentence meant to demean and insult tells me your saying you were "simply repeating" is untrue, and you meant private revelations and misused Scripture.

I have no insults to offer you as you've offered. For the record I hear from my LORD through his word, in the pages of Scripture.