The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[shnarkle]

I see.....any one that disagrees with YOUR interpretation is ignorant

AND you are infallible....

Thank you for your time....

More Strawman arguments. This is getting old. I presented you with the author's interpretation as well as the fact that this figure was being used. You have chosen to spurn my argument, and have not only not refuted it, but completely ignored it altogether. Pretending that I am presenting my interpretation is a blatant Strawman argument. Welcome to "ignored"d.

 

[Marymog]

More Strawman arguments. This is getting old. I presented you with the author's interpretation as well as the fact that this figure was being used. You have chosen to spurn my argument, and have not only not refuted it, but completely ignored it altogether. Pretending that I am presenting my interpretation is a blatant Strawman argument. Welcome to "ignored"d.

 

[Ezra]

Funny how ignorant minds think alike . . .

You both keep foolishly referring to this as a “Catholic” belief or MY flawed interpretation.

This has been the constant teaching of Christ’s Church for 2000 years and was a point of faith that was NOT contested by the Protestant Fathers. This is just ONE of MANY heresies surrounding the nature of God and the Deity and Humanity of Christ.

I’ve even produced several Protestant scholars on the matter – and they ALL agree: Jesus is Fully Human and Fully God. He is in Heaven BODILY in His glorified Body.

Virtually EVERY heresy begins with a perversion of the nature of God – and yours is no different . . .

you better stay on the front porch your milk of the word is not setting good on your tummy.. you need to be able to digest strong meat .. your watered down catholic theology is falling through the cracks ..i think i am going to nick name you pup lol .try puppy chow till you can shew on meat

 

[Ezra]

THE WORD BECAME FLESH!!!! John 1:14 This is BASIC Christianity.

yes but he did not keep his human form in the tomb .he was resurrected.. only thing left in that tomb was grave clothes and a folded face napkin.. there was no Body there

 

[reformed1689]

yes but he did not keep his human form in the tomb .he was resurrected.. only thing left in that tomb was grave clothes and a folded face napkin.. there was no Body there

Because he ROSE FROM THE DEAD. Of course there was no body there because he was WALKING AROUND in it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

you better stay on the front porch your milk of the word is not setting good on your tummy.. you need to be able to digest strong meat .. your watered down catholic theology is falling through the cracks ..i think i am going to nick name you pup lol .try puppy chow till you can shew on meat

Care to elaborate?
What exactly did I get wrong?

Are you equipped to explain - or should I just expect another idiotic response?

 

[Taken]

And there you go again thinking...

Uh, there you go again pretending you know what I am thinking...when I said no such thing.

Did you learn to be a psychic in catholic school?

Funny

thing about Scripture – you must read it iin CONTEXT or it doesn’t make sense.

Shocking concept....LOL

And yes, I am well aware you use your Carnal Mind, to try and MAKE Scripture MAKE sense.
And when it doesn't, you rely on what gentile catholic men have decided something means, even when it is NOT in scripture.

YOU have a bad habit of cherry-picking verses to formulate your perverted doctrines.

You have a bad habit of dirty ears that can not hear.

I clearly said I cherry pick Scriputre that APPLIES TO ME....I said nothing about cherry picking Scriptural Doctrine.
Maybe you will get some Q-tips for Christmas and stop making false claims.

Heb. 2:17 states plainly that Christ had to be made like us “IN EVERY WAY.” No “like unto” or any other Old English expression.

LOL...No Jesus was NOT make LIKE YOU!

You think you were made a LITTLE lower than angels? LOL
Angels were CREATED holy...
You were conceived in and born in SIN!

You are a Gentile! Get a clue...Jesus did not come to earth in the Likeness or exhibit the behavior of Gentiles!

LOL...YOU were supposed to LEARN HOW TO BE "LIKE" Christ!

Now – when you take this verse and read it in CONTEXT with the other verses about His humanity – like 1 Tim. 2:5-6, your ENTIRE argument circles the drain.
1 Tim. 2:5-6
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the MAN Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

Yep, THE MAN...not the HUMAN.

The LITERAL translation of the verse goes like this:
1 Tim. 2:5-6
For there is one God and one intermediary between God and humanity, Christ Jesus, himself HUMAN, who gave himself as a ransom for all, revealing God’s purpose at his appointed time.

Already told you. I do not agree with your Modern Version. And I do not care IF you agree with my Historical Version.

Here is the original GREEK text:
1 Tim. 2:5 (Greek)
εἷς γὰρ θεός, εἷς καὶ μεσίτης θεοῦ καὶ ἀνθρώπων, ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς, ὁ δοὺς ἑαυτὸν ἀντίλυτρον ὑπὲρ πάντων, τὸ μαρτύριον καιροῖς ἰδίοις.

The bolded word above means: HUMAN.

Clean your ears and get some glasses.
The bolden means MAN, PERSON...and in
1 Tim 2:5...it is distinguishing...Jesus as NOT Being Manifested as an ANGEL...and verified by its parallel verse...

Heb 2:9
[9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels...

Beyond your comprehension...since I highly doubt you understand the signifance of men being told...Under the NEW covenant the Word of God was manifested IN THE LIKENESS of A JEWISH MAN....and Under the OLD covenant the Word of God was manifested IN THE LIKENESS of The ANGEL of the LORD...

There goes your FALSE teaching about Jesus NOT being a human because the inspired Word of God says that He IS.

Refute THAT . . .

Have numerous times refuted with scripture what your Carnal Mind has been taught and your mouth repeats, when you obviously LACK spiritual understanding.

But KUDOS, for your catholic understanding.

 

[Ezra]

For this reason he had to be made like them, FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY,

he was born in a human form a savior .but here is the question what happened at the tomb? when he appeared at the upper room . he did what? knocked at the door asked to be let in? or did he just go through closed doors
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. please note touch me not . your claim is a bit off born in human flesh yet he was Christ the messiah so he could not have been fully human ..neither one of us can walk through a closed door . neither one of us can turn the water into wine

 

[reformed1689]

he was born in a human form a savior .but here is the question what happened at the tomb? when he appeared at the upper room . he did what? knocked at the door asked to be let in? or did he just go through closed doors

You are reading something into the passage that is not there. It doesn't say he went through a closed door. But notice, it's not the only time in Scripture one of their group made it through a locked door. Peter did as well in Acts 12:10. Are you arguing Peter was not human? Peter and John healed people just like Jesus turned water to wine. Were they not human?

 

[Taken]

THE WORD BECAME FLESH!!!! John 1:14 This is BASIC Christianity.

You say BECAME, Scripture says WAS MADE...

No need to get so aggressive when asked to verify what you claim.

John 1:14
[14] And the Word was made flesh..

So since you did not QUOTE from your Version...does your scriptural Version SAY...Became or Was Made?

And what Version would that be, so I can verify?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

he was born in a human form a savior .but here is the question what happened at the tomb? when he appeared at the upper room . he did what? knocked at the door asked to be let in? or did he just go through closed doors
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. please note touch me not . your claim is a bit off born in human flesh yet he was Christ the messiah so he could not have been fully human ..neither one of us can walk through a closed door . neither one of us can turn the water into wine

Yes.

There is a great Difference, between being A SPIRIT and Being Manifest (APPEARING) in the LIKENESS as a man...and BEING A HUMAN man.

BOL will argue his catholic teaching, and never consider what the text actually teaches.

EVEN Angels have the POWER to manifest themselves IN THE LIKENESS of HUMAN men....It doesn't CHANGE a SPIRIT into a HUMAN!

Not rocket Science.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

You say BECAME, Scripture says WAS MADE...

No need to get so aggressive when asked to verify what you claim.

John 1:14
[14] And the Word was made flesh..

So since you did not QUOTE from your Version...does your scriptural Version SAY...Became or Was Made?

And what Version would that be, so I can verify?

Glory to God,
Taken

ESV and it says became. But forget what version. The word in Greek is Ginomai and means become.

 

[reformed1689]

Yes.

There is a great Difference, between being A SPIRIT and Being Manifest (APPEARING) in the LIKENESS as a man...and BEING A HUMAN man.

BOL will argue his catholic teaching, and never consider what the text actually teaches.

EVEN Angels have the POWER to manifest themselves IN THE LIKENESS of HUMAN men....It doesn't CHANGE a SPIRIT into a HUMAN!

Not rocket Science.

Glory to God,
Taken

Except the Bible says he became a human.

 

[Taken]

ESV and it says became. But forget what version.

Why would you suggest I forget about you are trying to use to prove your point?

The word in Greek is Ginomai and means become.

But you said Became, not Become.

So...anyway...what was the Word...BEFORE it became Flesh?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

he was born in a human form a savior .but here is the question what happened at the tomb? when he appeared at the upper room . he did what? knocked at the door asked to be let in? or did he just go through closed doors
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. please note touch me not . your claim is a bit off born in human flesh yet he was Christ the messiah so he could not have been fully human ..neither one of us can walk through a closed door . neither one of us can turn the water into wine

Jesus had a corruptible human body before the Resurrection and a GLORIFIED body after.

WHO is arguing with that, Einstein?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes.

There is a great Difference, between being A SPIRIT and Being Manifest (APPEARING) in the LIKENESS as a man...and BEING A HUMAN man.

BOL will argue his catholic teaching, and never consider what the text actually teaches.

EVEN Angels have the POWER to manifest themselves IN THE LIKENESS of HUMAN men....It doesn't CHANGE a SPIRIT into a HUMAN!

Not rocket Science.

Glory to God,
Taken

So, you FINALLY agree that He was born a Human.
Good for you . . .

 

[Ezra]

BOL will argue his catholic teaching, and never consider what the text actually teaches.

i have had all i care to read on his catholic teaching..he was human to a degree he had feelings he wept he had pain he had anger .. see when they nailed him to the cross ..they did NOT kill him he said it is finished he gave the ghost up. i must admit his post threw me off. i had to do some thinking and scripture reference. a human being does not breathe on people and say receive ye the Holy Ghost ..i know there are those who mimic this and think they can cause a person to get the H.G to many scriptures out there that refutes him being a human being . a human who is buried the body will decay . he never decayed ..but he is alive

 

[BreadOfLife]

Uh, there you go again pretending you know what I am thinking...when I said no such thing.

Did you learn to be a psychic in catholic school?
Shocking concept....LOL

And yes, I am well aware you use your Carnal Mind, to try and MAKE Scripture MAKE sense.
And when it doesn't, you rely on what gentile catholic men have decided something means, even when it is NOT in scripture.

You have a bad habit of dirty ears that can not hear.

I clearly said I cherry pick Scriputre that APPLIES TO ME....I said nothing about cherry picking Scriptural Doctrine.
Maybe you will get some Q-tips for Christmas and stop making false claims.

LOL...No Jesus was NOT make LIKE YOU!

You think you were made a LITTLE lower than angels? LOL
Angels were CREATED holy...
You were conceived in and born in SIN!

You are a Gentile! Get a clue...Jesus did not come to earth in the Likeness or exhibit the behavior of Gentiles!

LOL...YOU were supposed to LEARN HOW TO BE "LIKE" Christ!

Yep, THE MAN...not the HUMAN.

Already told you. I do not agree with your Modern Version. And I do not care IF you agree with my Historical Version.

Clean your ears and get some glasses.
The bolden means MAN, PERSON...and in
1 Tim 2:5...it is distinguishing...Jesus as NOT Being Manifested as an ANGEL...and verified by its parallel verse...

Heb 2:9
[9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels...

Beyond your comprehension...since I highly doubt you understand the signifance of men being told...Under the NEW covenant the Word of God was manifested IN THE LIKENESS of A JEWISH MAN....and Under the OLD covenant the Word of God was manifested IN THE LIKENESS of The ANGEL of the LORD...

Have numerous times refuted with scripture what your Carnal Mind has been taught and your mouth repeats, when you obviously LACK spiritual understanding.

But KUDOS, for your catholic understanding.

No – you consistently screw up by erroneously thinking that the King James Translation is the original language.
It is NOT.

The New Testament was written in Koine Greek. I have proven you WRONG on this point by using the original Greek text – while YOU are stuck using a translation written some 1500 years LATER (KJV), which uses transliterations as well as translations. Do you know what a “transliteration” is??
Look it up, sparky . . .

As I educated you before – 1 Tim. 2:5 uses the Greek word for HUMAN to describe Jesus.

Game.
Set.
MATCH . . .

 

[Ezra]

esus had a corruptible human body before the Resurrection

wrong puppy power ..stay on the front porch till you can handle strong meat

 

[Taken]

Except the Bible says he became a human.

No. It says He was manifested, (APPEARED) lower than Angels, and in the Likeness of His brethren, who were Jews, not Gentiles.