The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[BreadOfLife]

LOL....Hard as you try...to convince others of your Catholic doctrine....It is REJECTED!

God DOES NOT CHANGE!
Jesus IS not EARTHY!



Catholic understanding comes from Catholic minds and Catholic philosophies.
Deceptive as it is...that is your preference...and has zero effect on me.

Gods understanding comes from God.
I'll stick with Gods Understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

Now that’s funny.

Ummmmmmm, can YOU show me where YOU were given a guarantee that YOU would be led by the holy spirit to ALL truth (John 16:12-15)?? The Bible shows that this guarantee was given to Christ’s Church at large – NOT to the individual.

By the way – “ALL truth” includes the revelation that Christ is a human being as well as God.

Can YOU show me where Jesus gave YOU Supreme earthly Authority – that WHATEVER YOU bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven?? That Authority was given to the Leaders of Christ’s Church (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

Gee – doesn't look like YOU have ANY Biblical Authority to declare anything . . .

 

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WHY would Mary go around claiming that she was without sin??

Duh, uh, do you speak for yourself?
Ofcourse you do.
You problem is; you speak for others, things they have NEVER claimed....NOR did anyone else Claim those things FOR THEM.

Is this required of her in order to be sinless??

Required? I said no such thing.

Can you show me ONE verse of Scripture where Jesus claimed to be without sin?

Nope.
Yet others who Knew Him in the Flesh and was Taught of Him in the Flesh...claimed IN Scripture HE was WITHOUT SIN...
And FYI, God approved the Scripture.

Can you show me ONE verse of Scripture where Isaiah claimed to be a prophet??

Nope.
Yet others Claimed Isaiah was a Prophet. And IF you read the Book of Isaiah, you would have discovered, Isaiah WAS a proclaimer of the WILL of God, which IS the definition of a Prophet!

Can you show me ONE verse of Scripture where Joseph claimed to be the foster-father of Jesus??

Nope.
I find no text of Joseph, the Lawful Civil father of Jesus, making any claims about your question of a foster-father.

Yeah – that’s what I thought . . .

What you thought is I would not be able to show you what is NOT in Scripture....

WOW, that's a real feat... LOL
Award yourself yet another booby prize.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Ummmmmmm, can YOU show me where YOU were given a guarantee that YOU would be led by the holy spirit to ALL truth (John 16:12-15)?? The Bible shows that this guarantee was given to Christ’s Church at large – NOT to the individual.

By the way – “ALL truth” includes the revelation that Christ is a human being as well as God.

Can YOU show me where Jesus gave YOU Supreme earthly Authority – that WHATEVER YOU bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven?? That Authority was given to the Leaders of Christ’s Church (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

Gee – doesn't look like YOU have ANY Biblical Authority to declare anything . . .

LOL ~ You want me to show you things about me IN Scripture, that I Never said....??

You have a weird way of thinking...
No wonder you can so easily accept circle jerk Catholic doctrine.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Duh, uh, do you speak for yourself?
Ofcourse you do.
You problem is; you speak for others, things they have NEVER claimed....NOR did anyone else Claim those things FOR THEM.




Required? I said no such thing.



Nope.
Yet others who Knew Him in the Flesh and was Taught of Him in the Flesh...claimed IN Scripture HE was WITHOUT SIN...
And FYI, God approved the Scripture.



Nope.
Yet others Claimed Isaiah was a Prophet. And IF you read the Book of Isaiah, you would have discovered, Isaiah WAS a proclaimer of the WILL of God, which IS the definition of a Prophet!



Nope.
I find no text of Joseph, the Lawful Civil father of Jesus, making any claims about your question of a foster-father.



What you thought is I would not be able to show you what is NOT in Scripture....

WOW, that's a real feat... LOL
Award yourself yet another booby prize.

Glory to God,
Taken

No – you didn’t find ANY of what I mentioned in Scripture because it’s NOT there.

YOUR challenge was that MARY never claimed to be sinless – and I showed you beyond a shadow of a doubt that:
JESUS never claimed to be sinless.
ISAIAH never claimed to be a prophet.
JOSEPH never claimed to be the foster father of Jesus – or anything else for that matter.

Moving the goalposts now doesn’t bolster your position . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL ~ You want me to show you things about me IN Scripture, that I Never said....??

You have a weird way of thinking...
No wonder you can so easily accept circle jerk Catholic doctrine.

Glory to God,
Taken

Uh-huh, just proving once again that YOUR condemnations of Christ's Church mean absolutely nothing . . .
Every claim I made is backed up by the full context of Scripture.

 

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No – you didn

YOUR challenge was that MARY never claimed to be sinless – and I showed you beyond a shadow of a doubt that:

LOL...
I made TWO factual statements.

I said:
Scripture never claims Mary was without sin.
Mary never claimed she was without sin.

JESUS never claimed to be sinless.
ISAIAH never claimed to be a prophet.
JOSEPH never claimed to be the foster father of Jesus – or anything else for that matter.

The TOPIC was Mary, not Jesus, not Isaiah, not Joseph....

All you did was Verify what I said.
"Mary never claimed she was without sin".

Goodie you agree with me.

Now on to my next statement...

Scripture never claims Mary was Without Sin.

But, but, but....YOU DO...and Scripture Does not. OOPS.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

Conversely – if tens of thousands of different men have tens of thousands of different interpretations that lead hundreds of millions of people in endless directions – how is THIS a good thing??

Are you saying that you can‘t glean anything valuable from a verse that has been interpreted by one of your pastors simply because YOU didn’t interpret it??

That’s pathetic . . .

Strawman, that's not what I said at all.

 

[Grams]

Because, by your own admission, you refused to own or read a Bible.
Shame on you for blaming the Church for YOUR spiritual laziness . . .

The church I went to only used the prayer book and rosary ,,,,,,,
Never was told to use a bible.......
So please quite making up things about me that you have no idea about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

The church I went to only used the prayer book and rosary ,,,,,,,
Never was told to use a bible.......
So please quite making up things about me that you have no idea about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sooooo, you ONLY read the Bible now because your pastor tells you to??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Strawman, that's not what I said at all.

Then, please explain what you DID say.

 

[Grams]

Sooooo, you ONLY read the Bible now because your pastor tells you to??

You sure know how to start trouble,,,, don't you ?

Our pastor teaches us from the bible.......
So much that I did not know being catholic........ maybe just the church I went to.
Buy the way my husband was the same as me........ And he is [ was,,,, he is now in heaven]
we grew up in the same neighborhood and did not know that........ till we got married.
We had the same problems....... and my husband was a smart person..
But .,,,,,,,he believed the church also..........

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...
I made TWO factual statements.

I said:
Scripture never claims Mary was without sin.
Mary never claimed she was without sin.




The TOPIC was Mary, not Jesus, not Isaiah, not Joseph....

All you did was Verify what I said.
"Mary never claimed she was without sin".

Goodie you agree with me.

Now on to my next statement...

Scripture never claims Mary was Without Sin.

But, but, but....YOU DO...and Scripture Does not. OOPS.

Glory to God,
Taken

WRONG.

As I have shown you about a DOZED times now – Scripture implies that Mary was sinless.

It’s not MY fault that you’re unable to address Mary’s status as “Kecharitomene”.

Why are you so afraid?? Are you every going to address this – or will you continue to dance around it or simply ignore it??

 

[BreadOfLife]

You sure know how to start trouble,,,, don't you ?

Our pastor teaches us from the bible.......
So much that I did not know being catholic........ maybe just the church I went to.
Buy the way my husband was the same as me........ And he is [ was,,,, he is now in heaven]
we grew up in the same neighborhood and did not know that........ till we got married.
We had the same problems....... and my husband was a smart person..
But .,,,,,,,he believed the church also..........

You didn't answer my question.
Do you only read the Bible now because you are told to??

 

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YOUR condemnations of Christ's Church

LOL what a dumb and unfounded accusation!

I am IN Christ's Church

Good grief, you make up utter nonsense.

 

[reformed1689]

Then, please explain what you DID say.

I said, if the common man can't make interpretations for themselves and only the church can, then why does the common man need to own or study a Bible at all? It was a question.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I said, if the common man can't make interpretations for themselves and only the church can, then why does the common man need to own or study a Bible at all? It was a question.

Exactly. And I answered you with a question of my own:
Are you saying that you can‘t glean anything valuable from a verse that has been interpreted by one of your pastors simply because YOU didn’t interpret it??

It's a valid question . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL what a dumb and unfounded accusation!

I am IN Christ's Church

Good grief, you make up utter nonsense.

Guess again - especially since you worship a different God than the God of Christianity.

 

[reformed1689]

Exactly. And I answered you with a question of my own:
Are you saying that you can‘t glean anything valuable from a verse that has been interpreted by one of your pastors simply because YOU didn’t interpret it??

It's a valid question . . .

I am saying that if you cannot question your pastor's interpretation that is a problem.

 

[Grams]

You didn't answer my question.
Do you only read the Bible now because you are told to??

That is how it started !!!!! But now I read it to learn more .........!
How about you ?? Do you read the bible ??? :)

 

[BreadOfLife]

That is how it started !!!!! But now I read it to learn more .........!
How about you ?? Do you read the bible ??? :)

Yup, and nobody told.me I HAD to.
I ALSO hear PLENTY of Scripture being read and taught at Mass.