Without unconditional Election,no one would be saved.

[justbyfaith]

In other words you can't demonstrate contextual interpretation and want someone else to do it for you so you can deny more biblical truth and fight against it?

No; I just didn't want the disadvantage of being the first one to speak.

Pro 18:17, He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

But evidently that did not happen in this case, since I was indeed the first to speak and there was no searching out of the errors of my doctrine on the part of my neighbor; because evidently he couldn't find any.

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm fairly certain I know why.

Why?

 

[justbyfaith]

You do so incessantly.

Do not...:cool:

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

It's not that important to me. You first, or not at all.

No..that shows you have no clue whatsoever. If you have truth post it.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

I reserve the right to correct your doctrine as though you had been the first one to speak.

Stop being a coward.
You made the claim the scripture was clear, so show it.
I believe you trying to show it will expose your error.
Like the other two or 3 on here you cannot prove your allegations , that renders your posts without merit.

 

[justbyfaith]

No..that shows you have no clue whatsoever. If you have truth post it.

You made the claim the scripture was clear, so show it.

Already did.

 

[justbyfaith]

Stop being a coward.

You need to be careful.

Because I am a servant of the LORD, it is my heritage to condemn every tongue that riseth up against me in judgment (Isaiah 54:17).

Since it is probably against the rules for me to do that here, I am probably going to have to wait until your day of judgment to do so.

That is not something that I really want to do; but I feel that if I do not do so, I am not His servant.

You had better pray that an opportunity arises for me to condemn you for your doctrine, so that I can rightly tell you that I am praying for your salvation on these boards (which I am going to be doing). That way I will only be condemning your tongue in the temporary sense, and not permanently.

As it is, if I condemn your tongue on your day of judgment, either your tongue will be cut out of your mouth (as an act of mercy) or else you will be cast into the lake of fire with it.

See Matthew 5:29-30.

I guess that it simply means that the Lord didn't elect you to salvation.

Since it wasn't your tongue that you utilized in your judgment of me, perhaps only your fingers will be cut off so that you will be allowed in the kingdom; and you will also not have any computer privileges in the kingdom.

 

[justbyfaith]

I believe you trying to show it will expose your error.
Like the other two or 3 on here you cannot prove your allegations , that renders your posts without merit.

I have both shown it, and have proven my "allegations".

 

[justbyfaith]

No..that shows you have no clue whatsoever. If you have truth post it.

I would say the same to you. I have already posted my take on this.

 

[justbyfaith]

I would say the same to you. I have already posted my take on this.

I would say however that Romans 5:8 tells us that God loved us while we were still sinners.

2 Peter 3:9 says that the Lord is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

The apostles used great plainness of speech (2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv)), so this ought to be interpreted as though I were saying it to you (which I am, in those very words).

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Stop being a coward.
You made the claim the scripture was clear, so show it.
I believe you trying to show it will expose your error.
Like the other two or 3 on here you cannot prove your allegations , that renders your posts without merit.

Since they haven't allowed the truth to convert them via contextually exegeted truth, they're going to continue to misinterpret and not receive the things of the Spirit; 1 Corinthians 2:14 and deny the truth of the eternal Gospel. Frankly and Biblically, they're to be avoided; Romans 16:17.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

No

You need to be careful.

Because I am a servant of the LORD, it is my heritage to condemn every tongue that riseth up against me in judgment (Isaiah 54:17).

Since it is probably against the rules for me to do that here, I am probably going to have to wait until your day of judgment to do so.

That is not something that I really want to do; but I feel that if I do not do so, I am not His servant.

You had better pray that an opportunity arises for me to condemn you for your doctrine, so that I can rightly tell you that I am praying for your salvation on these boards (which I am going to be doing). That way I will only be condemning your tongue in the temporary sense, and not permanently.

As it is, if I condemn your tongue on your day of judgment, either your tongue will be cut out of your mouth (as an act of mercy) or else you will be cast into the lake of fire with it.

See Matthew 5:29-30.

I guess that it simply means that the Lord didn't elect you to salvation.

Since it wasn't your tongue that you utilized in your judgment of me, perhaps only your fingers will be cut off so that you will be allowed in the kingdom; and you will also not have any computer privileges in the kingdom.

Not only have you failed to offer a biblical response, you now offer this deluded incoherent nonsense of TBN. Kind of fantasy binding and loosing garbage.
You need to work on doctrine 101 as you obviously cannot discuss any of these passages.
Your supposed "take" are the thoughts of the natural man as P 4T.posted already.
If you want people who believe this deluded garbage go to Baptistboard and ask for JonC who loves all manner of false teaching.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Yes...just ignore the whole chapter and make up your own ideas instead, wonderful .

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

You were asked to work through the chapter, you cannot because you have not learned it. Do not pretend you can
The secret is already out...you have no idea

 

[justbyfaith]

No

Not only have you failed to offer a biblical response, you now offer this deluded incoherent nonsense of TBN. Kind of fantasy binding and loosing garbage.
You need to work on doctrine 101 as you obviously cannot discuss any of these passages.
Your supposed "take" are the thoughts of the natural man as P 4T.posted already.
If you want people who believe this deluded garbage go to Baptistboard and ask for JonC who loves all manner of false teaching.

Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Isa 54:17, No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

Not everything that is preached out of TBN is false doctrine. If it is Bible, it ought to be accepted; and I would say that you reject it at your own peril.

 

[justbyfaith]

You need to work on doctrine 101 as you obviously cannot discuss any of these passages.

You are a bully.

 

[justbyfaith]

You were asked to work through the chapter, you cannot because you have not learned it. Do not pretend you can
The secret is already out...you have no idea

I don't need to work through the chapters because what is written in the verses are plain for all to see. Forgive me for being lazy. I don't feel that I have to look at the entire passage because the verses in question are clear; and I also believe that every Bible verse stands on its own as a bastion of Bible truth.

If you think that looking at the context will bear out a different result, then by all means show us how the context nullifies the meaning of the verses in question.

The passages are Romans 5:1-8 and 2 Peter 3:1-9.

 

[justbyfaith]

Let's keep to what's relevant (because I know that you might go off on a tangent and argue that context is everything; and I would win that argument). Show in this instance how the context nullifies the meaning of the verses in question, and you will also win the other argument, killing two birds with one stone. You are not going to convince me very easily that individual verses are not the truth of the Lord; but if you can show how in this particular instance, the verses in question are nullified by their context, you will have won both arguments.

So if you don't think you can win one I know that you will go with the other. But if you can win both you will go for the one in which you might be able to win both.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Yes...just ignore the whole chapter and make up your own ideas instead, wonderful .

Well, there you have it, @justbyfaith said it plainly: he doesn't have time to look at a whole chapter, God's word isn't worth that to him. So he'll just keep taking Scripture out of context while refusing to find out what it means, not just what it seems to say.

That my brother is exactly what Peter says in 2 Peter 3:16. He's under that condemnation, doesn't care and doesn't realize it.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Isa 54:17, No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

Not everything that is preached out of TBN is false doctrine. If it is Bible, it ought to be accepted; and I would say that you reject it at your own peril.

Jn7:24