The Elect?

[Mjh29]

Being in Adam and not in Christ, means you remain in your sins, even though Christ has paid for them all.

Stranger

But is being in Adam itself a sin?

 

[Stranger]

But is being in Adam itself a sin?

No, being in Adam is just a location. Because one is in Adam, he is a sinner.

Stranger

 

[Mjh29]

No, being in Adam is just a location. Because one is in Adam, he is a sinner.

Stranger

Oh, so it is not a sin, therefore there is no penalty for NOT being 'in that location'. And if there is no penalty, and all of our sins are forgiven, everyone is going to heaven!

 

[Stranger]

Oh, so it is not a sin, therefore there is no penalty for NOT being 'in that location'. And if there is no penalty, and all of our sins are forgiven, everyone is going to heaven!

Everyman born of the human race is in Adam. There is no, "not being in that location" unless you are 'in Christ'. Because all are in Adam, then they are guilty of sins. Only those who come to Christ by faith, are 'in Christ' and partake of the redemption provided. Those who remain in Adam remain in their sins, even though redemption for theirs sins was paid.

Stranger

 

[Mjh29]

Everyman born of the human race is in Adam. There is no, "not being in that location" unless you are 'in Christ'. Because all are in Adam, then they are guilty of sins. Only those who come to Christ by faith, are 'in Christ' and partake of the redemption provided. Those who remain in Adam remain in their sins, even though redemption for theirs sins was paid.

Stranger

So, is it a sin to remain in Adam, and not be in Christ?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Paul is describing being still half-converted....half baked...and still UNDER THE LAW

Paul is referring to himself. Are you saying Paul at this point was still half-converted...Half -baked...and still under the Law?

 

[Stranger]

So, is it a sin to remain in Adam, and not be in Christ?

You have already asked that and I answered in post #96. Go back and reread.

Stranger

 

[farouk]

Paul is referring to himself. Are you saying Paul at this point was still half-converted...Half -baked...and still under the Law?

Paul seems to be contrasting the Spirit from the flesh in Romans 7.

 

[Mjh29]

Yes it is.

Ok, so Jesus [since he died for all sins of all men] died for this sin as well, and therefore all are in Heaven.

Though all their sins are paid for, they remain in their sins because they refuse Christ. One must be 'in Christ'. They remain 'in Adam'.

And I asked "Is it a sin to remain "outside of Christ" and "In Adam." You said no. If it is not a sin, then there is no penalty for NOT being in Christ. And since there is no penalty for not being in Christ, and all of my sins are paid for, then everyone goes to heaven.

There is no escaping the simple fact that is Christ died for every sin of every man, all men are in heaven.

 

[Stranger]

Ok, so Jesus [since he died for all sins of all men] died for this sin as well, and therefore all are in Heaven.



And I asked "Is it a sin to remain "outside of Christ" and "In Adam." You said no. If it is not a sin, then there is no penalty for NOT being in Christ. And since there is no penalty for not being in Christ, and all of my sins are paid for, then everyone goes to heaven.

Being in Adam is a location. Being in Christ is a location. Because one is in Adam, he is a sinner. Because one is in Christ he is righteouss.

Because one is in Adam, he remains in his sins and suffers the penalty. Because one is in Christ, the blood is applied to his sins and he does not suffer the penalty.

All sins have been paid for. But not all go to Heaven. You must be in Christ.

Stranger

 

[Episkopos]

Paul is referring to himself. Are you saying Paul at this point was still half-converted...Half -baked...and still under the Law?

Yes. Paul discovered a law within himself that held him captive...in bondage. The gospel is about liberty from bondage. The law of sin and death. He was still held captive under that law....as most believers are today (but ignorantly claiming to be in a 'saved" sinful state.)

 

[Mjh29]

Being in Adam is a location. Being in Christ is a location. Because one is in Adam, he is a sinner. Because one is in Christ he is righteouss.

Because one is in Adam, he remains in his sins and suffers the penalty. Because one is in Christ, the blood is applied to his sins and he does not suffer the penalty.

All sins have been paid for. But not all go to Heaven. You must be in Christ.

Stranger

But you said being out of Christ is not a sin. There can be no penalty for something if it is not a sin. The penalty you are placing one being in a certain location makes no sense, because you yourself stated the being "in christ' or not is not a sin

Is God going to punish people for something other than sin? So, all my sins are paid for, and being 'In Adam" is not a sin, and yet I am going to get punished as through it were?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

"These" ; are a collaboration of Nations that are Against the Lamb.

"These" ; ^^ shall become a group of Nations "under" their "king", ie the Anti-Christ.

"And They"; are "all" individuals whose Lord and King IS the Lamb.

It's a bit confusing at first.
Because All "nations" shall come against God and His Lamb.
What "Nations" do, is dictatated by it's Leaders (ie kings, rulers, etc.)
However, what "individuals" do, is dictated by "individuals"...
Regardless of what (kings / rulers) do.

IOW ~
A Nation can raise armies, be under the power of the anti-Christ, a majority go along with the Nations anti-Christ agenda;
Yet "individuals" can Reject "going along" with the Nations anti-Christ agenda....and become subject to Death...by the hand of the Beasts armies.
(Rejecting allegience, and rejecting the mark of the Beast).

"And They" the rejectors of the mark and allegiance to the Beast...
Are "They" who have become in allegiance to "the Lamb".

It is the Lamb, who will "overcome" those with Allegiance to the Beast.



His "reasons" are clear.
Any He has called / chosen...
AND ALSO "chose/elected" Him...
Become "His" Elect;

IOW ~ God First created all. Then reveals "HE" loves and "DESIRES" all, to Freely Love and Desire Him. When ANY individual Freely chooses to Love and Desire HIM, "HE" becomes the individual mans "ELECT" / "CHOSEN".

He CALLS all to be "saints".
When a man answers His call,
The man is "ELECTING" God to be his God.

Rom 1: [7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 1: [2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 Thes 1
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.



Billions have been naturally born, and considerably less than all naturally born become WITH God;

So "How many", is not given us in a concrete Number.

Many are Called...Few are Chosen.
(Which is to say, FEW answer the Call and become MADE converted and wholly Whole, and acceptable to be Forever WITH God).



God Knows all things.
Nothing is New, or takes God by surprise.

It is mankind, who stumbles through his natural life, making decisions, wishy washy back and forth, concerning IF he does or does not Believe in God.

It mankind who lands on his own decision to Believe and seek God or Reject Him.

God already KNOWS every mans decision BEFORE the man does.

God has Already Prepared Every mans Place, for Every mans freewill decision.

A Place for men who will choose to be With God and A Place for men who will choose to be Without God.

God IS Just.
Every man WILL receive what they freely Choose.

Glory to God,
Taken

not even close, try again, read the bible this TIME ;)

 

[Episkopos]

Being in Adam is a location. Being in Christ is a location. Because one is in Adam, he is a sinner. Because one is in Christ he is righteouss.

Because one is in Adam, he remains in his sins and suffers the penalty. Because one is in Christ, the blood is applied to his sins and he does not suffer the penalty.

All sins have been paid for. But not all go to Heaven. You must be in Christ.

Stranger

This sounds like a sunday school class given by someone who has had one too many.

The location that is Christ has no sin. In HIM is no sin. Those who abide in Him do not, and cannot sin. Anything else is a lie and damnable by God as a denial of grace.

 

[Stranger]

But you said being out of Christ is not a sin. There can be no penalty for something if it is not a sin. The penalty you are placing one being in a certain location makes no sense, because you yourself stated the being "in christ' or not is not a sin

Is God going to punish people for something other than sin? So, all my sins are paid for, and being 'In Adam" is not a sin, and yet I am going to get punished as through it were?

Being out of Christ means you are in Adam and so in your sins. So, as I said, they remain in their sins and pay the penalty.

All sins have been paid for, in Christ. Not in Adam.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

This sounds like a sunday school class given by someone who has had one too many.

The location that is Christ has no sin. In HIM is no sin. Those who abide in Him do not, and cannot sin. Anything else is a lie and damnable by God as a denial of grace.

You need to pay attention.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Paul seems to be contrasting the Spirit from the flesh in Romans 7.

Yes but is Paul saying the new man is free and walks in Life (Spirit) while the old man is already condemned, found guilty and buried. It is not the dead resurrected back into flesh...but rather the dead resurrected into Life...born of God. Confused at how it is then said Paul at this point was saying he was only ‘half-baked’ or half-born? Romans 7:9-11 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. [10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me .

Sounds ‘half-baked’ as if Paul was double-minded as either being in Christ or out of Christ? Do the children born of God really slip back and forth between the two based off their own doing to forcibly walk in flesh or to walk in Spirit to maintain a child of God status? Isnt that torment...tossed to and fro? Between two opinions: Man’s and God’s?

1 John 4:18
[18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Is torment cast out or not? The children are either under wrath or wrath is cast out??

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Being out of Christ means you are in Adam and so in your sins. So, as I said, they remain in their sins and pay the penalty.

All sins have been paid for, in Christ. Not in Adam.

Stranger

Pretty obvious there are only two either in Christ or in Adam? Either in Christ or against Christ and in sin. What is it to be anti? One wife deceived. One wife not deceived.

 

[Stranger]

Pretty obvious there are only two either in Christ or in Adam? Either in Christ or against Christ and in sin. What is it to be anti? One wife deceived. One wife not deceived.

Is it really obvious? It means those who are not 'in Christ' are not saved and are not going to heaven even though all sins have been paid for. Is that obvious to you also?

I don't see how your questions apply.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes. Paul discovered a law within himself that held him captive...in bondage. The gospel is about liberty from bondage. The law of sin and death. He was still held captive under that law....as most believers are today (but ignorantly claiming to be in a 'saved" sinful state.)

When they were to cut their hair and mourn in man’s weakness....it was a woman’s submission to her head which is the God. Man is weak. God is power. What was trying to bring Paul back under the power of sin was that flesh can do anything. The new man is Spirit...Ephesians 4:14
[14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

The children of God are no longer tossed to and fro. Neither was Paul. That is not what Paul was saying but one was dealt with at the cross so that going forth all things work together for the good of those who are called.