Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

[Taken]

Jhn 1:13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Speaking of Jesus...

John 1
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 16
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Making Jesus a human being means

Means you are teaching Jesus was created from dust of an existing earth....like all humans were.

I do not have the spirit of antichrist. If you do not hold Him as being a human being, that would make your spirit the spirit of antichrist. Therefore my view is the biblical one.

No, I do not believe Jesus, was created.
No, I do not believe Jesus, was created from dust of the earth.

And No, me believing the Word of God, came forth out from God, does not make my spirit the spirit of the anti-christ, nor does it make my view in conflict with Scripture.

1Jo 4:3, And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jo 1:7, For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Whoops.....these scriptures say nothing about Jesus being a "HUMAN BEING"...

The Scriputes say He came in the flesh

But by all means, explain how holding Jesus to be human

Test yourself, by what you say.
Scripture says he came in the Flesh.
You say, he IS a HUMAN, but scripture doesn't.
Then you charge me with an anti-christ spirit....WHY?
What I have said that is NOT in agreement with Scripture?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Really? So it wasn't Christ who was speaking there? Give your biblical strong reasons why you believe that this passage in Hebrews is not speaking of Christ.

It's a guessing game of who you are speaking you.

 

[101G]

Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me".

Psalms 40:6 "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psalms 40:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me".

yes this is the Lord Jesus speaking in the OT, abut his coming in his diversified state. Romans 5:14b " who is the figure of him that was to come".

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

We are created in the womb when the sperm unites with an egg and the union of them both is called a zygote. The zygote then begins to multiply into what eventually becomes a fully-developed human baby. This is the process by which the Lord creates each and every one of us when we are formed in the womb.

Jesus also developed the same way; except the seed that united with Mary's egg was not the seed of a man; but the seed of a woman. Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 7:14.

In other words, the Holy Ghost united with Mary's egg and the resulting development was the Son of God and the Son of man. There was an act of Divine Creation that took place in this; the egg became a zygote without coming into contact with a human sperm.

 

[101G]

Answer, Son of God is born, FLESH, that God formed in Mary's belly. the Son of man is never born, but given, the spirit diversified in the flesh formed.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

We are created in the womb when the sperm unites with an egg and the union of them both is called a zygote. The zygote then begins to multiply into what eventually becomes a fully-developed human baby. This is the process by which the Lord creates each and every one of us when we are formed in the womb.

Jesus also developed the same way; except the seed that united with Mary's egg was not the seed of a man; but the seed of a woman. Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 7:14.

In other words, the Holy Ghost united with Mary's egg and the resulting development was the Son of God and the Son of man. There was an act of Divine Creation that took place in this; the egg became a zygote without coming into contact with a human sperm.

God has no sperm, he's Spirit. read Post #899 above. understand God speaks and it is done.
no egg nor sperm was used in Mary's conception. nor in Adam.

PICJAG

 

[justbyfaith]

Making Jesus a human being

@Taken...

Do you see in the top left corner how it says, justbyfaith said?

All you have to do is pay attention to this in order to know who I am talking to in any given situation.

In one of the situations above I was not even talking to you but to @Dave L.

But if the shoe fits, then of course you should wear it.

In other words, if you deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (which means that He came as a human being), then of course you have the spirit of antichrist.

 

[justbyfaith]

God has no sperm, he's Spirit. read Post #899 above. understand God speaks and it is done.
no egg nor sperm was used in Mary's conception. nor in Adam.

PICJAG

Look carefully at what I said and how I said it. I did not say that any "sperm of God" was involved in the conception of our Lord.

Also, a conception always has to do with an egg and a seed for that egg. That it was a conception is clear from Isaiah 7:14. That the seed of the woman was involved in this is clear from the proto-evangelion of Genesis 3:15.

 

[101G]

Look carefully at what I said and how I said it. I did not say that any "sperm of God" was involved in the conception of our Lord.

Also, a conception always has to do with an egg and a seed for that egg. That it was a conception is clear from Isaiah 7:14. That the seed of the woman was involved in this is clear from the proto-evangelion of Genesis 3:15.

I didn't say you did,
Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel".

now understand, do the devil have "seed", and do a woman have "seed?"

PICJAG

 

[Taken]

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, (thing, here means flesh), which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". notice shall be called, not named, but called Son of God, (flesh is born), Son of God means flesh on earth. go back to Isaiah. 9:6, "unto us a child is born". so Son of God means, flesh in nature, a nature that will suffer the cross.
note also the word overshadow, it's the Greek word G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazo (ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo) v.
1. to cast a shade upon
2. (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy
3. (figuratively) to invest with preternatural influence

take note of the 3rd. reference. "to invest with preternatural influence", what do preternatural means. It means, "out of the ordinary course of nature; exceptional or abnormal". the meaning here, not in the natural way of conception between a man and a women. this body as I have said before, God conceived or God made, and “formed” in Mary’s womb. Did he not formed Jeremiah body in his mothers womb before he was born, or brought forth? . Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations".as the scripture states, "prepare me a body"', Hebrews 10:5. notice it said prepare, not create a body. because God always existed, and by making or preparing a body as he did Adam's with preexisting material, earth. God, with his pre-existence, the first law of thermodynamic is not violated, and as he did with the heaven, as well with the earth, he can make, perpare anything he wants. so that body/flesh was prepared/made from the invisible, made he it visible. The flesh/body was made visible to enclosed the spirit, or the Share, or the diversified state of himself that was to come. the Word simply means the expression of thought made manifested, John 1:1 what do this mean, it is the abstract of the concrete/God/Spirit, in flesh, or the expression of God’s thoughts made known in a body of Flesh. in layman terms, a way for God/Spirit to make his thought known unto man, meaning manifesting his thoughts in a concrete fashion.

PICJAG.

Maybe a Toddler version would be more palatable for some here...eh?

 

[Taken]

@Taken...

Do you see in the top left corner how it says, justbyfaith said?

Did I ask who was SPEAKING? No, I mentioned WHO YOU ARE SPEAKING TO, is not always revealed.

You do not always copy the post of the person you are talking to.

And You do not always enter the name of the person you are talking to.

So the ONLY name revealed is YOURS, with YOUR comment TO.....who knows..

Your posts for example...
892 891 889 900 904

All you have to do is pay attention to this in order to know who I am talking to in any given situation.

Not a problem, will just scroll on by.

In one of the situations above I was not even talking to you but to @Dave L.

And that was obvious because? Dave's name was mentioned...? Uh no name was mentioned, which was the point.

But if the shoe fits, then of course you should wear it.

LOL...well that made alot of sense....NOT.

In other words, if you deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

But I didn't....So in other words you made an accusation against me....when I did not say any such thing.

(which means that He came as a human being),

WHAT? No it does not say that or mean that.
It says FLESH, it says MAN. It does not say HUMAN. That is rewriting Scripture.

then of course you have the spirit of antichrist.

And what spirit do you have for rewriting Scripture?

 

[justbyfaith]

@Taken,

What do you think it means that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, if it does not mean that He came to earth as a Human Being to dwell among us?

It is my understanding of the Christian faith that to deny the Humanity of Christ is heresy, along the lines of what the gnostics believed.

 

[justbyfaith]

now understand...and do a woman have "seed?"

Not normally: which would make what is mentioned in Isaiah 7:14 and Genesis 3:15 a miraculous event.

 

[justbyfaith]

So the ONLY name revealed is YOURS, with YOUR comment TO.....who knows..

Your posts for example...
892 891 889 900 904

Of these posts, only in #892 and #904 is it not clear who I was speaking to; and in both of those cases my intended audience was everyone.

Just look at each post a little bit harder.

 

[Taken]

@Taken,

What do you think it means that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, if it does not mean that He came to earth as a Human Being to dwell among us?

I believe the Word of God came forth out of Gods MOUTH...

And the Word of God took upon Himself a BODY

that God PREPARED for Him...

FOR WHEN He would come into the World.

And that BODY was revealed to the World coming forth out of a JEWISH woman's womb.

And GOD SAID, call Him Jesus, the Son of God.

Because God DECLARED Him to BE His Son.

And God said, HE would be, A Father to Him, and Jesus would be to the Father, A Son.

It is my understanding of the Christian faith that to deny the Humanity of Christ is heresy.

It is my understanding, that men make Doctrines, and when other men do not agree with their man-made doctrines.....the men who MAKE such Doctrines CALL THE OTHER PEOPLE NAMES.....which of course is SUPPOSED to MAKE their own doctine SUPERIOR and BELIEVABLE.

A heretic is simply someone who does not go along with a majority who has Accepted the majorities Doctrine.

I absolutely DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS was a HUMAN. HUMANS are earthly and come from the Dust of a created earth.

Nothing in scripture teaches Jesus came from dust of the earth.

I do not BELIEVE God IS a HUMAN because he appeared in the LIKENESS [B/] as a HUMAN...
Any more than I BELIEVE a human man who becomes in the LIKENESS as God, will become God.

1 John 3
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be likehim;
for we shall see him as he is.

Shall SEE Him as HE IS??

So did MEN see HIM AS HE IS?

No. They SAW Him, "as a man".
Because it was a BODY OF FLESH, they SAW....the Body God prepared, and Jesus took upon Himself. <--- that is Scriptural.

It's that dilemma thing...that a man would be incinerated if they LOOKED upon God "as He IS".

Gods Seed fertilizing Mary's egg is not Scriptural.

Taken

 

[Taken]

Whatever. Guess you are counting on your response to always follow the order of who you happen to be responding to. Guessing is fun, however if you respond to me without my identity showing, I will ignore you.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Taken,

re #915,

1Ti 2:5, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[justbyfaith]

Whatever. Guess you are counting on your response to always follow the order of who you happen to be responding to. Guessing is fun, however if you respond to me without my identity showing, I will ignore you.

Is your identity showing here?

 

[justbyfaith]

@Taken said:

Gods Seed fertilizing Mary's egg is not Scriptural.

And that is also not what I have said took place. It was a Divine act of creation in which the Holy Ghost became the God-part of the zygote that developed from the egg in the womb of the virgin Mary. God did not create a "God-sperm" per se; but He caused the woman to have a seed as well as the egg that is naturally produced by her female human body; and that "seed of the woman" was the fulness of who the Holy Ghost is in minute physical form. So that the zygote that was produced by the union of the seed of the woman and the egg of the woman was fully God and fully human.

 

[Dave L]

@Taken...

Do you see in the top left corner how it says, justbyfaith said?

All you have to do is pay attention to this in order to know who I am talking to in any given situation.

In one of the situations above I was not even talking to you but to @Dave L.

But if the shoe fits, then of course you should wear it.

In other words, if you deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (which means that He came as a human being), then of course you have the spirit of antichrist.

The Trinity doctrine, proven to be true over the centuries through strenuous debate says; (1) There is only one God. (2) The Father is God. (3) The Son is God. (4) The Holy Spirit is God. (5) The Father is not the Son. (6) The Son is the not the Holy Spirit. (7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father.

Any who do not agree with this standard, do not worship Christ.