Got your ears on?

[Carl]

You have identified two different issues:

1) In the book of Revelation Jesus reveals just what book He is referring to: "this book", as He told John to "write in a book" - a book that had not yet been written. But now you and most of Christendom add (against the curse of the book) those books that were already written.

2) The bible, by the word and clarification of Jesus, His word...is spirit, and so when you say that all is already written in the Bible, this is true. But it has not all been revealed in the "plain language" that He promised. He also said, "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

Thus, your stance on both accounts is in error, and you should reconsider in light of all that is written and not just in part. If you claim the whole word - do not pick and choose, but adhere to it all, reconciling all scripture to scripture...for there is no need for us to be in disagreement.

Yes God told John to write in a book and at that book would have been Revelation, but like I've mentioned before it is a book that is a very vital part of the Bible in as a whole book. Now when you say it had not been written, what are you trying to convey ? because albeit [Revelation] it was not finished until God had given him the last information that he wanted put down and when God finally gave all that he wanted down in his last book of the Bible, then the Bible in whole was complete Gen-Rev.

Plain language sometimes is not always that easy to understand case in point would be that of Deut. 27:8 when God is speaking of the law which law is he speaking of. Also would be that of Christ speaking in parables albeit to some degree it is plain but for the most part it is not plain. Now I will say this that not everything in the Bible has not been revealed to us and yet some of it has. Like that of Israel becoming a nation again, and false prophets...etc.

Now in as far as the words of Christ in which he said

"I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

That would be true but lets also take into consideration that of Jn. 21:25
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And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.​

I'm sure without a doubt that God could have given a lot more, but he has given everything to us that he has wanted for us to know and now it is up to us to search these things out. Prov. 25:2

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

 

[ScottA]

Yes God told John to write in a book and at that book would have been Revelation, but like I've mentioned before it is a book that is a very vital part of the Bible in as a whole book. Now when you say it had not been written, what are you trying to convey ? because albeit [Revelation] it was not finished until God had given him the last information that he wanted put down and when God finally gave all that he wanted down in his last book of the Bible, then the Bible in whole was complete Gen-Rev.

Plain language sometimes is not always that easy to understand case in point would be that of Deut. 27:8 when God is speaking of the law which law is he speaking of. Also would be that of Christ speaking in parables albeit to some degree it is plain but for the most part it is not plain. Now I will say this that not everything in the Bible has not been revealed to us and yet some of it has. Like that of Israel becoming a nation again, and false prophets...etc.

Now in as far as the words of Christ in which he said

"I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

That would be true but lets also take into consideration that of Jn. 21:25

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.​

I'm sure without a doubt that God could have given a lot more, but he has given everything to us that he has wanted for us to know and now it is up to us to search these things out. Prov. 25:2

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Of this you are obviously convinced, but that is not the way it was presented by the Word Himself.

 

[mjrhealth]

I'm very sorry that you do not understand that Satan comes as a Angel of light, mimicking God himself.

He comes brining a Gospel that is light, just like the true light to which it is virtually impossible to distinguish and those that fall for it believe it is God brining all of these extra divine revelations apart from the Bible. But in the book of Revelation in the last chapter and in the last verses we know from this that God is done brining any more Revelation apart from the Bible.

So it is like this,

the one who is the darkness, the father of all lies, the great deceiver, has convinced the unbelieving christian, that they cannot see nor hear, the one who is the light of the world, Jesus Christ, and so causing them to be unrighteous through their unbelief and therefore stumbling around in the darkness, because they have no light in them.

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

but men have hardened their hearts against God,

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
for as Christ said

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

and that is how we know those who are not His.

 

[Davy]

Your little essay here truly is a rant, and a lot of it leaves what God's Word teaches.

Much of the New Testament was not meant for all people, but only for “He who has an ear” to hear “what the Spirit says to the churches.”

In other words, even that which is written was not to be heard or understood by everyone who reads it. But rather, that we have entered that time foretold of when God would pour out his spirit upon all flesh…and only those who hear what the Spirit says to the churches (His body) would get the message. So, that “He who has an ear” qualifier is not a “listen up” message to sharpen up our Hebrew and Greek language skills and our hermeneutical approach to the scriptures, it is a blatant statement indicating that the written words are not the message, but are spoke as Christ explained, saying, “My words are spirit.”

Even under influence of The Holy Spirit one must actually 'read' the Scriptures to understand what all God foretold. What Jesus did was send The Holy Spirit to those He has chosen, and who truly believe on Him, and by The Comforter we are given to understand His Word as we study. Apostle Paul said to study to show ourselves approved of God (2 Timothy 2:15).

Holy Writ was given by God via The Holy Spirit to holy men to write down for future generations of God's people (2 Peter 1:21). To contradict God's written Word is to contradict The Holy Spirit. There is nowhere written in God's Word that says we have no need to study it.

You instead seem to be pushing liberalism, ideas that if one has The Holy Spirit, then there's no need to study God's written Word. There's a name for your group with the ideas where you're coming from. They teach leaving off God's written Word using comparisons of Bible study is to be like Pharisees and scribes that are deceived. No wonder you tried to mock me inferring I lacked spiritual discernment in another thread.

 

[Carl]

Of this you are obviously convinced, but that is not the way it was presented by the Word Himself.

I’m not following you here on this one are you trying to say that this is not how the Bible was written.

 

[ScottA]

Your little essay here truly is a rant, and a lot of it leaves what God's Word teaches.



Even under influence of The Holy Spirit one must actually 'read' the Scriptures to understand what all God foretold. What Jesus did was send The Holy Spirit to those He has chosen, and who truly believe on Him, and by The Comforter we are given to understand His Word as we study. Apostle Paul said to study to show ourselves approved of God (2 Timothy 2:15).

Holy Writ was given by God via The Holy Spirit to holy men to write down for future generations of God's people (2 Peter 1:21). To contradict God's written Word is to contradict The Holy Spirit. There is nowhere written in God's Word that says we have no need to study it.

You instead seem to be pushing liberalism, ideas that if one has The Holy Spirit, then there's no need to study God's written Word. There's a name for your group with the ideas where you're coming from. They teach leaving off God's written Word using comparisons of Bible study is to be like Pharisees and scribes that are deceived. No wonder you tried to mock me inferring I lacked spiritual discernment in another thread.

You have me confused with a bunch of your other prejudices and other people. And now you come to another thread to lash back.

I never said not to study the word. On the contrary, I agreed with the word that studying is not enough.

 

[mjrhealth]

You have me confused with a bunch of your other prejudices and other people. And now you come to another thread to lash back.

I never said not to study the word. On the contrary, I agreed with the word that studying is not enough.

devil is playing mind games here and it is going to get worse. The great falling away to aposatsy is well on its way.

 

[Davy]

You have me confused with a bunch of your other prejudices and other people. And now you come to another thread to lash back.

I never said not to study the word. On the contrary, I agreed with the word that studying is not enough.

I don't follow people to threads. When I read material written on a thread that is clearly un-Biblical, I feel led to speak up. You can try to hide what your OP stated against scholarly study of God's Word, but it's there in plain sight for all to see.

 

[ScottA]

I’m not following you here on this one are you trying to say that this is not how the Bible was written.

I mean that you are simply mixing up what is written wherever you find it in scripture to support whatever you believe, regardless of context. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Jay Ross]

I mean that you are simply mixing up what is written wherever you find it in scripture to support whatever you believe, regardless of context. It doesn't work that way.

Scott, like many on this forum, you have axes to grind and that is an observable fact.

 

[Marymog]

I mean that you are simply mixing up what is written wherever you find it in scripture to support whatever you believe, regardless of context. It doesn't work that way.

LOL....If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. @Jay Ross is probably laughing harder than me.

It has been very clear in my discussion with you Scott that you do the same. Sooooo I ask you: Who decides how to put scripture "in context" so that we don't get things 'mixed up'?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

devil is playing mind games here and it is going to get worse. The great falling away to aposatsy is well on its way.

The devil has been playing mind games on this website since March 15th , 2009. ;)

 

[ScottA]

I don't follow people to threads. When I read material written on a thread that is clearly un-Biblical, I feel led to speak up. You can try to hide what your OP stated against scholarly study of God's Word, but it's there in plain sight for all to see.

Okay...

Although your post and accusations were based in your own beliefs and opinions, without all that - tell us: What is one specific thing that you find "un-biblical" in my Original Post?

Let's see how you do without all the bias.

 

[ScottA]

Scott, like many on this forum, you have axes to grind and that is an observable fact.

It's not grinding an ax to come to the call and repeat what one has been given. Axes are not the only thing that cause sparks to fly.

 

[ScottA]

LOL....If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. @Jay Ross is probably laughing harder than me.

It has been very clear in my discussion with you Scott that you do the same. Sooooo I ask you: Who decides how to put scripture "in context" so that we don't get things 'mixed up'?

Curious Mary

God decides.

But don't confuse pulling a foreshadowing verse out in the fullness of time for the very thing that it was first spoken, with being out of context. All but One is wrong, but why would you treat that One the same? In the same way, Israel killed the prophets that were sent to her.

 

[mjrhealth]

The devil has been playing mind games on this website since March 15th , 2009. ;)

nah since religion tried to replace the true bride of Christ with the harlot, so many ugly sisters, and mum vying for His attention. But His eyes are only set on one, and She isnt a denomination.

 

[Carl]

I mean that you are simply mixing up what is written wherever you find it in scripture to support whatever you believe, regardless of context. It doesn't work that way.

I do not see how you come that conclusion; I have provided verses for you which coincide with many other verses. The fact of the matter is that it appears that you still believe God is still brining extra divine revelation to you and many others. Yet when shown that the Bible the complete mind of Revelation of God has now been concluded you deny it.

Because you point out that of Acts and a handful of verses to support your argument and yet yourself if I'm not mistaken have said that God spoke in parables, which I'm not disagreeing but merely pointing that in Prov. 25:2 that God had told us that he has hidden his message and we are to seek it out. We are not to look for extra divine revelation apart from the Bible.

 

[mjrhealth]

I do not see how you come that conclusion; I have provided verses for you which coincide with many other verses. The fact of the matter is that it appears that you still believe God is still brining extra divine revelation to you and many others. Yet when shown that the Bible the complete mind of Revelation of God has now been concluded you deny it.

Because you point out that of Acts and a handful of verses to support your argument and yet yourself if I'm not mistaken have said that God spoke in parables, which I'm not disagreeing but merely pointing that in Prov. 25:2 that God had told us that he has hidden his message and we are to seek it out. We are not to look for extra divine revelation apart from the Bible.

What this bit

Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

remember what they did, they built themselves a golden calf, you are holding it in your hand, it is your bible, that you like so many worship instead of the living God, not giving Him His due. An idol in the hearts of men, that they demand God bow down to and He wont, no god before Him. not of things in heaven earth or that under the ocean.

Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

yet so many are...

 

[Enoch111]

Axes are not the only thing that cause sparks to fly.

Very true. Therefore we have this verse:Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.(Job 5:7)

 

[Carl]

So it is like this,

the one who is the darkness, the father of all lies, the great deceiver, has convinced the unbelieving christian, that they cannot see nor hear, the one who is the light of the world, Jesus Christ, and so causing them to be unrighteous through their unbelief and therefore stumbling around in the darkness, because they have no light in them.

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

but men have hardened their hearts against God,

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
for as Christ said

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

and that is how we know those who are not His.

To some degree yes, but Eph 2:1 pretty sums it up in how that no one can see and no one can hear which pretty much sums it up.