Books Outside the Bible

[LC627]

aha! We agree! :)

Lol. I'm sure there is a lot we agree on :)

 

[farouk]

Well said!
The Pope needs Jesus just as much as the rest of mankind; infallibility as humans is simply a delusion.
Exalt Christ - The one and only Mediator! Our Great High Priest.

Good post!

The Epistle to the Hebrews offers so many answers and clarifications to matters of confusion and doctrinal error in professing Christendom.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, they were not

Reasons why the Apocrypha does NOT belong in the Bible!

WRONG.

There was a little discovery inn Qumran in 1946 called The Dead Sea Scrolls that pretty much blows your idiotic argument OUT of the water. The rabbinical claims of the superiority of the Masoretic text only go back as far as the Medieval period. The Scrolls destroy this previously held theory as they contain the OLDEST copy of a biblical text found to date.

This is REAL history and secular archaeology – not some “Catholic” version of it.

I also see you couldn’t answer my question regarding Job. How about Esther? YOU claimed that unless they were Prophets or Apostles then they weren’t inspired. Neither Job NOR Esther are considered a “Prophets” – yet BOTH are considered inspired and Canonical.

WHY is that, Core??

Oh – and WHY do you keep posting anti-Catholic sources for your so-called “proof”?? Why don’t you go straight to the Catechism??

The reason is that you prefer the LIE to the truth – just like Satan does . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic Church has done some "splintering" of its own, or should I call it "schism-ing"? It's true that there are way too many Protestant denominations, but I believe that this will change.

Protestant churches agree on the essentials of biblical doctrine, but some Catholic dogma clearly departs from biblical doctrine. Protestants are taught to look to the Bible and the Holy Spirit as our source of guidance as to how we should live as Christians. Believe it or not, when we're in the Spirit, there is unity! Catholics are taught to look to the Bible (possibly), other "sacred" writings, and a mere man who claims infallibility, which is their source of unity. I apologize if this offends anyone, but I don't believe there are any infallible men except one--Jesus Christ!

I grew up in a predominately Catholic city. Some of my closest friends were Catholic. One thing I noticed is that the Catholics I knew tended to look at Catholicism as just a religion--something to be observed at church, but not necessarily something to live out 24/7/365. Also, their religion was important to them, but they didn't seem to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Of course, Protestant churches are filled with those who don't have this relationship either, but I've known many Protestants who do.

This probably sounds cliche, but that relationship is what matters most to me. I literally could not live and breathe without Jesus! He is everything to me. He is my life! I believe that He wants everyone to know His love and to know HIM in a very personal way.

This is a perfect example of a charitable post that doesn’t resort to lies or myths and simply addresses concerns and disagreements with the Catholic Church. Granted, there are some of the usual inaccuracies in your post – but EVERY anti-Catholic reading this should take heed and follow this example . . .

The problem I see with what you wrote is that you claim that Protestants turn to Scripture for all of the answers – but Scripture tells us to turn to the CHURCH (Matt. 16:18-19 Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23). In short – the main pillars of Protestantism Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide simply aren’t supported by the Scriptures.

As for the schism with the Eastern Orthodox Churches – this does not include all of the renegade pseudo-“Catholic” factions that you see today like the “SSPX”, “Old Catholic Church”, “American Catholic Church, “Polish Catholic Church”, et al. these are Protestant factions who have divorced themselves from the Catholic Church and formed their own ecclesiology.

 

[CoreIssue]

Get your manuscript claims factual.

Your verses are pre Church as well.

Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability | CARM.org

The Institute for Creation Research

TEXTUAL CRITICISM OF THE BIBLE

List of Hebrew Bible manuscripts - Wikipedia

There is no support for Apocrapha or the RCC

The Plain Truth about the Roman Catholic Church

 

[BreadOfLife]

Denominationlism is wrong per Paul.

PRECISELY.

So - please explain the tens of thousandsof disjointed and perpetually-splintering factions of Protestantism that ALL teach different doctrines and ALL claim that they were "led" by the Holy Spirit. How is this "Biblically-sound"??

This time - try to actually address the question instead of simply posting another anti-Catholic link.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Get your manuscript claims factual.

Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability | CARM.org

The Institute for Creation Research

TEXTUAL CRITICISM OF THE BIBLE

List of Hebrew Bible manuscripts - Wikipedia

There is no support for Apocrapha or the RCC

The Plain Truth about the Roman Catholic Church

How about actually ADDRESSING the evidence I presented instead of posting manure from Carm.org and other moronic anti-Catholic links??

CAN you do that, sparky??
No WONDER your debate site is dying . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well said!
The Pope needs Jesus just as much as the rest of mankind; infallibility as humans is simply a delusion.
Exalt Christ - The one and only Mediator! Our Great High Priest.

The Pope absolutely needs Christ as much as the rest of us. WHO said he doesn’t??
This is yet another anti-Catholic myth that you’ve all been spoon-fed - and instead of investigating it – you SWALLOWED it.

The charism of infallibility in matters of teaching faith and morals comes FROM the Holy Spirit – NOT the Pope.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have and I may be older than you.

You MAY be, indeed - but I was referring to where you are at with your Biblical and historical knowledge - or lack, thereof . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism | CARM.org

Yes, and that's why Matt Slick of CARM was annihilated by Catholic apologiists Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin in separate debates on Catholic teaching.

You're going to the WRONG source for Catholic information, son . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

PRECISELY.

So - please explain the tens of thousandsof disjointed and perpetually-splintering factions of Protestantism that ALL teach different doctrines and ALL claim that they were "led" by the Holy Spirit. How is this "Biblically-sound"??

This time - try to actually address the question instead of simply posting another anti-Catholic link.

Not a defense of Catholicism.

1 Corinthians 1:10
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,a]">[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Ce’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephasb]">[b]”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

13 Is Christ divided?

 

[CoreIssue]

You MAY be, indeed - but I was referring to where you are at with your Biblical and historical knowledge - or lack, thereof . . .

Far superior to yours.

You quote Catholic doctrine, not the Bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Hi BreadOfLife, thanks for your reply. I reckon right off we’re talking different contexts of certain scripture such as with Mat 24:13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

To me Mathew chapter 24 is speaking of a time of the coming tribulation, even the time of the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place; that is attempting to take God’s place. Those that endure unto the end will be a physical deliverance in order to enter the millennial reign of Jesus.

And then during that time will be the time of Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and that too goes hand in hand with Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I do like your reference to Eph 2:5-8.

The big question is: are you presently convinced you have eternal, or conditional life right now. I just posted the following description of what salvation is to me; do you find it unconventional to your Catholic doctrine?
SALVATION

Again – I have the HOPE of salvation because I have cooperated with God’s grace and continue to. Because we have a free will, however, I could walk away from Christ at ANY point in my life and not return. I would then be LOST.

I believe that if I were to drop dead right now, that I would be with Christ – after quite possibly undergoing a final purgation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Far superior to yours.

You quote Catholic doctrine, not the Bible.

Catholic doctrine is rooted in Scripture.

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes, and that's why Matt Slick of CARM was annihilated by Catholic apologiists Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin in separate debates on Catholic teaching.

You're going to the WRONG source for Catholic information, son . . .

Did not see it.

But i did see ones with Walter Martin, John Ankerber, etc.

Thr RCC theologian was forced to admit such as the Church is built on Christ (Petra), not Peter (Petros) and Peter never was the Bishop of Rome or ever went to Rome in the Bible.

 

[CoreIssue]

Catholic doctrine is rooted in Scripture.

Nope.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not a defense of Catholicism.

1 Corinthians 1:10
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,a]">[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Ce’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephasb]">[b]”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

13 Is Christ divided?

I didn't say it was.
The verses YOU posted are more a condemnation of the perpetual splintering of Protestantism . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nope.

Another scholarly response . . .

 

[farouk]

I didn't say it was.
The verses YOU posted are more a condemnation of the perpetual splintering of Protestantism . . .

What counts is practising Acts 2.42 at a local level rather than trying to achieve a huge corporate conglomoration.

 

[CoreIssue]

Another scholarly response . . .

It said all that was needed.