If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[BreadOfLife]

You call it arrogance, I call it faith in what Jesus did..and did well...because it says God "saw it and was satisfied."
Oh I know about mainline doctrines...I was told all that back in the beginning when I was saved ..first a Christian. I guess you don't use the word "saved" because you don't believe that you are saved yet, it would be arrogance I guess.

So, tell me , do you feel righteous when 'you get it right' and then condemned when who have a bad day and don't act like a Christian?

I was just having this same conversation with Quietthinker .
He also believes that he can keep the commandment.
So this has nothing to do with a Protestant and Catholic argument.
Most christians believe that...

I believe by Paul's writings that because of the Spotless Blood of The Lamb,
Who took away the sin of the world and put us back into a relationship with God. When He died on the cross, it says we died with Him and were raised in Him....in Him we are perfect. That was the great legal act the Jesus paid for.
Not some half redemption...where He couldn't quite do it all...

Our position "in Him" is sinless....but we all know that our natural condition doesn't match that!

What we do now is run the race, be faithful to the end..take up our cross..
Not to earn something that He achieved for us already....we are Saved...but as Paul said " I thus run..."
Was he running to to earn salvation? NO!!
He was running for the crown of an Overcomer and the rewards which are written in Rev 3.
Which is the proof of how much we each really love God...for we do it purely to be closer to Him in the Heavenly ranks and as an Overcomer, and not about us trying to keep what He already GAVE us as a fee gift.

( not talking about or sidetracking about those who choose to turn back..that is their story, not mine ) I run my race ...I am responsible for what I do with the salvation freedom that God has been given me. And so are we all.

I do see and understand why you say what you say...I was taught and believed it for the first two decades of my spiritual life. But thankfully I finally saw the weakness in that argument the more I studied Paul... so the last 3 decades have been so much different.
You are not alone in this , the majority believes as you do. It's not a Catholic thing.
It is me who is very much minority for sure.
You see me in error, but I see you and all the rest of mainstream belief system in error. At the very least selling short all that our Saviour did because it was quite good enough after all.

But, I know that neither of us will change our position on this. :) And that is fine too...how we walk in what Jesus gave us, is ours to choose.

God bless you BOL...Thanks for your time...... Helen

What it ALL boils down to is that we pretty much agree on salvation - about 75%.

As I Catholic - I have a moral certitude that I am saved. HOWEVER - I cannot remain in this state if I choose to reject Christ - which I am free to do whenever I want.

What the Church has never taught is that we have a 100% guarantee that we cannot lose our secure position - because the weight of Scripture is against this idea (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

Paul calls s "Co-Workers" (sunergos) with God (1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1). If we do not cooperate with the grace He freely gives us - we cannot be saved. Just ask the servant in the Parable of the Talents who did nothing with his share and was condemned for it.

You can also ask the Goats (Matt. 25:31-46) who refused to be obedient and were also condemned . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

I asked YOU to show me how the lesson of the Sheep and Goats - which is a lesson about OBEDIENCE - is NOT about salvation.

I would disagree.

As we can see in Matt 7:15-23, Jesus lays the foundation for Grace salvation and rebukes works as a method to enter the kingdom.

Below are scriptures detailing the difference between sheep and wolves, sheep as in a reference to believers and wolves/goats as nonbelievers.

Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Matt 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Jhn 10:1-10 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them. 7Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.a They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Acts 8:32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

Acts 20:25-29 “Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. 27For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

Rom 8:36 As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

Heb 13:20-22 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 22Brothers and sisters, I urge you to bear with my word of exhortation, for in fact I have written to you quite briefly.

God bless.

 

[Phoneman777]

And now you're lying.
When did I EVER say that I deny "Catholic Church"??

Besides - YOUR sentence was redundant because you said, "world, global, universal" Catholic Church. That's like saying "Catholic Catholic Catholic Catholic" Church.

Uh-huh, soooooo, WHY hasn't it been used since - in ANY Church document??
This should be interesting . . .

I never said you denied "Catholic church" though I wish you'd deny it this instant and escape it...what I said you are doing is refusing to accept what everyone else can see from Pius' statement in Humani Generis: that he directly equates "Roman Catholic church" with the entire world, global, universal, Catholic church in the same breath, according to Item 27, and that he is not limiting "Roman Catholic church" to a mere "rite".

So, to summarize our dialogue:

1. You posted a thread denying the Roman Catholic church recognizes "Roman Catholic church" as a legit reference to itself.
2. I posted Encyclical proof that a pope said "the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic church are one and the same thing"....an Encyclical statement that you obviously didn't know existed, which is OK because we can't know everything.
3. You insisted that his reference to "Roman Catholic church" was limited to a mere "rite".
4. I quoted him again, "...Mystical Body of Christ...Roman Catholic church...one and the same thing" and drew your attention to the fact that his contextual use of "Mystical Body of Christ" is clearly here not limited to a mere "rite".
5. You suggested his use of the term was "an olive branch" extended to Protestants who originated the reference.
6. I pointed out, by implication then but specifically now, that prior to Vatican II, non-Catholic "heretics" who refused to accept the authority of the pope were beyond salvation - a position that is so entirely objectionable and insulting that any "olive branch" extension that failed to include a total retraction of such condemnation was no "olive branch" at all.
7. You seem to now have shifted your position from insisting Pius was referring to a "rite" to now using the "minority/majority use" argument in an attempt to minimize the credibility of my argument (much like Protestants do when they insist that "repentance" is not necessary because "it is only mentioned in the N.T. once here, twice there, etc. etc. etc."

To which my response is: if you previously insisted the Roman Catholic church has never used "Roman Catholic church" as a legit reference to itself, while being totally unaware of Pius' Encyclical where he does exactly that very thing...

...isn't it similarly a bit presumptuous for you to insist that Pius is the only one whose done so without a thorough investigation of all other church documents?

 

[epostle1]

Do you really expect anyone to believe that a PRE-VATICAN II document from a religious body claiming there's no salvation for anyone who refuses to acknowledge the supreme authority of the pope contains any "olive branches"?

This is a classic example of brain damage induced by a lifetime of anti-Catholic bigotry, analogous to mainlining crack cocaine. Ecclesiam nulla salus means: "outside the Church there is no salvation". The 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church explained this as "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body." This expression comes from the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a bishop of the 3rd century. Psychotic anti-Catholics despise the Church Fathers who compiled the canon of Scripture, which is illogical and self defeating. Hate cults refuse to comprehend that Ecclesiam nulla salus was coined in the 12th century, a time when there was only one church, that at the time, was threatened by the scandal of division.

If the hostile anti-Catholics are correct in asserting there is salvation outside the Church in the 12th century, the onus is on them to name the church that taught salvation that had no affiliation with the historic church in the 3rd, 12th, or 13th century. This is not history, it's psychosis.
1. There is no salvation apart from Christ and his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Again, this is an infallible teaching and not up for debate among Catholics.
2. Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God.
3. Those in the category of #2 have the real possibility of salvation even if they never come to an explicit knowledge of Christ and/or his Church.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/o...ally-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church

The Epostle Theory of Hate Cult Blindness is illustrated when an explanation of any given anti-Catholic distortion or misrepresentation is explained, with copious documentation, the text becomes INVISIBLE. The psychotic assertions are repeated days or weeks later. Let's test the ETHCB.
CCC830, 846, 848 my personal favorite is 819. All these paragraphs are conveniently located on the same INVISIBLE page. Let's wait for a few days, weeks or months for the same psychotic assertions to rear it's ugly head.

.And do you not understand that when Pius says "... the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing", that Pius means to say that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Catholic church are one and the same thing?

No phony man. Mystici Corporis Christi, Encyclical of Pope Pius XII on the Mystical Body of Christ, June 29, 1943, applies to Catholics, but it is not exclusive to Catholics. But you want it to be.

Unless the "Mystical Body of Christ" does not refer to the entire, world, global, universal Catholic church, which even you will not deny, then according to Pius' own words, he believes the "Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic church are one and the same thing."

No, only to your psychotic conclusions and determination to bear false witness. You are touching on a theology you have no hope of understanding. Mystici Corporis Christi applies to Catholics, but the ESSENCE of the teaching is not EXCLUSIVE to Catholics. Here is the INVISIBLE full context.

And if a pope's use of "Roman Catholic church" as a reference to the entire, world, global, universal Catholic church is good enough for him, then it's good enough for anyone.

You need to get off this "Roman Catholic" bandwagon. Pope Pious XII does not use the word "Roman" in the context of singular church title, he uses the word as an attribute, a characteristic, along with 4 others.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-x...ii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi.html
Paragraph 91, which you have distorted and misrepresented
You do the same hatchet job with HUMANI GENERIS. "Roman Catholic church" is not used in the context of a rite, it is used in the context of a central authority for all rites. But you have one way of interpreting complex encyclicals, and dogmatically and infallibly declare how the historic Church should define her own teachings. In other words, you have greater authority than the Pope in how certain words should be used and your fixed singular meanings trump all others.
"Roman Catholic Church" depends on the context that it is used. That is what BoL has been trying to get through to your thick skull. Context has always been your enemy.

Finding one word in a lengthy encyclical but fail to see the beauty of it's teachings is straining a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Pope Pius XII wrote that encyclical around the same time Hitler plotted to kill him. The SDA collaborated with the Nazis and were granted liberties to preach their gospel, because it was compatible with Geobbles propaganda. 3,000,000 Polish Catholics, 3,000,000 Jews and over 1000 priests and ministers were killed in Poland alone, while the Vatican saved 860,000 Jewish lives. Anti-Catholic psychotic b******s like you were running around Germany railing against the "Whore of Babylon", with the blessing of the High Command.

Maybe you are not affiliated with any church, but you mirror SDA theology like a pro.

 

[Phoneman777]

This is a classic example of brain damage induced by a lifetime of anti-Catholic bigotry, analogous to mainlining crack cocaine. Ecclesiam nulla salus means: "outside the Church there is no salvation". The 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church explained this as "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body." This expression comes from the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a bishop of the 3rd century. Psychotic anti-Catholics despise the Church Fathers who compiled the canon of Scripture, which is illogical and self defeating. Hate cults refuse to comprehend that Ecclesiam nulla salus was coined in the 14th century, a time when there was only one church, that at the time, was threatened by the scandal of division. If the hostile anti-Catholics are correct in asserting there is salvation outside the Church in the 12th century, the onus is on them to name the church that taught salvation that had no ecclesiastical structure in the 3rd, 12th, or 13th century. This is not history, it's psychosis.
1. There is no salvation apart from Christ and his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Again, this is an infallible teaching and not up for debate among Catholics.
2. Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God.
3. Those in the category of #2 have the real possibility of salvation even if they never come to an explicit knowledge of Christ and/or his Church.
The Epostle Theory of Hate Cult Blindness is illustrated when an explanation of any given anti-Catholic distortion or misrepresentation is explained, with copious documentation, the text becomes INVISIBLE. The psychotic assertions are repeated days or weeks later. Let's test the ETHCB.
CCC830, 846, 848 my personal favorite is 819. All these paragraphs are conveniently located on the same INVISIBLE page. Let's wait for a few days, weeks or months for the same psychotic assertions to rear it's ugly head.
No phony man. Mystici Corporis Christi, Encyclical of Pope Pius XII on the Mystical Body of Christ, June 29, 1943, applies to Catholics, but it is not exclusive to Catholics. But you want it to be.


No, only to your psychotic conclusions and determination to bear false witness. You are touching on a theology you have no hope of understanding. Mystici Corporis Christi applies to Catholics, but the ESSENCE of the teaching is not EXCLUSIVE to Catholics. Here is the INVISIBLE full context.
That's what we keep trying to tell you.

Pope Pius XII wrote that encyclical around the same time Hitler plotted to kill him. The SDA collaborated with the Nazis and were granted liberties to preach their gospel, because it was compatible with Geobbles propaganda. 3,000,000 Polish Catholics, 3,000,000 Jews and over 1000 priests and ministers were killed in Poland alone, while the Vatican saved 860,000 Jewish lives. Anti-Catholic psychotic b******s like you were running around Germany railing against the "Whore of Babylon", with the blessing of the High Command.

Maybe you are not affiliated with any church, but you mirror SDA theology like a pro.

After an exhaustive, in depth study into the foundational tenets and requirements of belief of Catholicism, I do hereby declare the following:
I condemn the office of the Papacy as Antichrist and Satan's Command center on Earth...
I condemn the priesthood as an agency of systematic dispensary of misinformation, pedophilia, and molestation...
I condemn the unBiblical works of the Papacy as a vast "dunghill of decretals"...
I condemn the unBiblical sacraments, rites, and rituals of the Papacy as worthless...

...but I love and trust Jesus as my personal Savior. Do I still get to go to heaven?

 

[Enoch111]

...but I love and trust Jesus as my personal Savior. Do I still get to go to heaven?

Of course. If Peter and Mary were to come to Rome, they would ensure that the Vatican could not continue promoting their spiritual nonsense.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I would disagree.

As we can see in Matt 7:15-23, Jesus lays the foundation for Grace salvation and rebukes works as a method to enter the kingdom.

Below are scriptures detailing the difference between sheep and wolves, sheep as in a reference to believers and wolves/goats as nonbelievers.

Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Matt 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Jhn 10:1-10 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them. 7Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.a They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Acts 8:32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

Acts 20:25-29 “Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. 27For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

Rom 8:36 As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

Heb 13:20-22 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 22Brothers and sisters, I urge you to bear with my word of exhortation, for in fact I have written to you quite briefly.

God bless.

WHY do you keep dodging the question??

I didn't give the lesson on the Sheep and Goats - JESUS did.
I didn't say that only the one who DOES the will of the Father will make it to Heaven- JESUS did.
I didn't say that we must pick up our cross daily - JESUS did.
I'm NOT talking about sheep vs. wolves here - I'm talking about sheep vs. GOATS.

Saving grace isn't something that is bestowed on the disobedient and rebellious. It is given to the faithfully obedient (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

 

[BreadOfLife]

I never said you denied "Catholic church" though I wish you'd deny it this instant and escape it...what I said you are doing is refusing to accept what everyone else can see from Pius' statement in Humani Generis: that he directly equates "Roman Catholic church" with the entire world, global, universal, Catholic church in the same breath, according to Item 27, and that he is not limiting "Roman Catholic church" to a mere "rite".

So, to summarize our dialogue:

1. You posted a thread denying the Roman Catholic church recognizes "Roman Catholic church" as a legit reference to itself.
2. I posted Encyclical proof that a pope said "the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic church are one and the same thing"....an Encyclical statement that you obviously didn't know existed, which is OK because we can't know everything.
3. You insisted that his reference to "Roman Catholic church" was limited to a mere "rite".
4. I quoted him again, "...Mystical Body of Christ...Roman Catholic church...one and the same thing" and drew your attention to the fact that his contextual use of "Mystical Body of Christ" is clearly here not limited to a mere "rite".
5. You suggested his use of the term was "an olive branch" extended to Protestants who originated the reference.
6. I pointed out, by implication then but specifically now, that prior to Vatican II, non-Catholic "heretics" who refused to accept the authority of the pope were beyond salvation - a position that is so entirely objectionable and insulting that any "olive branch" extension that failed to include a total retraction of such condemnation was no "olive branch" at all.
7. You seem to now have shifted your position from insisting Pius was referring to a "rite" to now using the "minority/majority use" argument in an attempt to minimize the credibility of my argument (much like Protestants do when they insist that "repentance" is not necessary because "it is only mentioned in the N.T. once here, twice there, etc. etc. etc."

To which my response is: if you previously insisted the Roman Catholic church has never used "Roman Catholic church" as a legit reference to itself, while being totally unaware of Pius' Encyclical where he does exactly that very thing...

...isn't it similarly a bit presumptuous for you to insist that Pius is the only one whose done so without a thorough investigation of all other church documents?

Nope - because I was aware of Pius XII's use of it and understand the context.
YOU don't.

Now - can you explain to me why this has NOT been used since - and WHY is it not considered an official title of the Church?

 

[epostle1]

Nope - because I was aware of Pius XII's use of it and understand the context.
YOU don't.

Now - can you explain to me why this has NOT been used since - and WHY is it not considered an official title of the Church?

Phoneman is an encyclical scholar with the ability to cite 3 words of a 6200 word document....for months....an encyclical that is addressed to the episcopate and not microscopically binding. The essential truths did not change, but reformulated to make it understandable to Protestants, found in the CCC references of post #324. The reformulations are INVISIBLE to blind hate cult bigots.
The Epostle Theory of Hate Cult Blindness only took 30 minutes to prove itself.
The only reason the SDA are here, and permitted to be here, is to persecute Catholics. They are not seeking the truth, but asserting a paradigm, face-palmed by their own scholars.
We should ignore them, but refuting their stupidity and ignorance is fun, isn't it?

ENCYCLICAL
HUMANI GENERIS OF THE HOLY FATHER
PIUS XII
TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN, PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES,
ARCHBISHOPS, BISHIOPS, AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES
ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SEE
CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS THREATENING TO UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATIONS OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

This was written 5 years after the SDA no longer needed to kiss Hitler's butt.

The Pope must be lying because he contradicts Ellen White's inspired and infallible opinions that corrected 18 centuries of consistent and developed teaching.​

 

[bbyrd009]

now if we could only figure out why Catholics are allowed to be here, huh

 

[epostle1]

I would disagree.

As we can see in Matt 7:15-23, Jesus lays the foundation for Grace salvation and rebukes works as a method to enter the kingdom.

Below are scriptures detailing the difference between sheep and wolves, sheep as in a reference to believers and wolves/goats as nonbelievers.

Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Matt 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Jhn 10:1-10 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them. 7Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.a They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Acts 8:32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

Acts 20:25-29 “Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. 27For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

Rom 8:36 As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

Heb 13:20-22 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 22Brothers and sisters, I urge you to bear with my word of exhortation, for in fact I have written to you quite briefly.

God bless.

What can it mean to say that all Christians are called to obedience? The word "obedience" comes from the Latin verb obedire, which means "to attend to" or "to listen to." Obedience does not mean submission in the normal sense of the word. It does not mean that husbands or wives lord it over each other, boss each other around, or that one makes all the decisions regarding work, the household and the raising and education of children.

Obedience means that the spouses are truly open to each other, to the wisdom that each one has. Both recognize that it takes two to make a marriage, raise children and run a household.

In the sixth-century Rule of St. Benedict, the monk is called to be obedient not only to the abbot, but to all the members of the community. This means that each monk has a constant ear for the good of the community. This is called "mutual obedience" – a concept which can serve as a model for every Christian.

The Evangelical Counsels

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[tooldtocare]

Help me out here--

What is the difference between a:
Catholic
Mormon
Baptist
Presbyterian
Judaism



Just curious ?

 

[epostle1]

Help me out here--

What is the difference between a:
Catholic
Mormon
Baptist
Presbyterian
Judaism
Just curious ?

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church. It is the only religion that can demonstrate the fulfillment of Judaism...
...but also teaches the incomparable value of every human person... which encompasses all of the above.

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[Philip James]

but I love and trust Jesus as my personal Savior. Do I still get to go to heaven?

If you do, it will be the same way as all of us... By the mercy of the ONE who judges us...

Take care how you judge therefore, ' by the measure you measure...'

Pax!

 

[tooldtocare]

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist,--

If you are a Presbyterian, -----

If you are Catholic, ,,,,,,,

You misunderstood my question. I was not asking when they were created but what is the difference between them.

Do they all use the KJV of bible for instance and/or do they consider some biblical verses more important than others?

Just currious
And yes, I know; curiosity killed the cat

 

[Helen]

You misunderstood my question. I was not asking when they were created but what is the difference between them.

Too many for this thread...it would be a book!!!

 

[epostle1]

You misunderstood my question. I was not asking when they were created but what is the difference between them.

Do they all use the KJV of bible for instance and/or do they consider some biblical verses more important than others?

Just currious
And yes, I know; curiosity killed the cat

Your question is broad and vague. A comprehensive answer would required a summary of each belief system, and cross comparing each of the 5 with the other 4, which means 20 comparisons. Just using summaries would still require hours of research, and miles of text that no one would read.
The historic Catholic Church is the original true church, but it is not the only church with truths. That statement gives Protestants fits when it doesn't need to.


Who is the guy in white standing up? St. Ignatius of Antioch?
An angel?

 

[BreadOfLife]

now if we could only figure out why Catholics are allowed to be here, huh

I think the better question is, "Why NOT"?

 

[Marymog]

now if we could only figure out why Catholics are allowed to be here, huh

Without the Catholic Church there would be no Protestant Church therefore your contradictory beliefs would have never existed, therefor this website would not have been started and you would have never said what you said.....;)

Get it....The butterfly effect :):):)

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I think the better question is, "Why NOT"?

Because....