Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Taken]

I'll tell you this Taken.
The NT is very easy to understand.
Man tends to make it difficult.
You're doing the same.
Making up your own rules, words and ideas.
Christianity was here a long time before you were.

If it is so easy to understand, as you say...why are you calling the mind the soul? And saying man does not have a spirit?

Scripture does not give you KNOWLEDGE saying those things, nor does Scripture give you the UNDERSTANDING that you claim.

The KEY is....Scripture gives you KNOWLEDGE....even the angels holy and fallen, can read the KNOWLEDGE God has given to mankind....and ANY man, saved or not has access to the KNOWLEDGE God has given mankind.

KNOWLEDGE is one thing. It is simply information.

UUNDERSTANDING is a completely different thing. It is precisely comprehending the MEANING of the KNOWLEDGE.

You just claimed the NT is VERY EASY to understand....

That simply tells me...you read the KNOWLEDGE, and very easily with your MIND figure out what the KNOWLEDGE MEANS.

That's nice.........EXCEPT THAT...

The KNOWLEDGE...is precisely Gods WORD.
And ONLY GOD can give "HIS UNDERSTANDING" of HIS OWN WORD.

And guess what?? Gods UNDERSTANDING IS NOT written in ink on paper!

And mans Understanding, (that you say is so easy) comes from a mans MIND....(which IS against God) and but Foolishness to God.

Gods Understanding comes FROM GOD, given TO a man, WHO IS "WITH" God...and SEEKS God "FOR HIS UNDERSTANDING".

THAT is precisely HOW scripture teaches, How I seek, what I have said numerous times for others TO DO, and why, it is so easy to dismiss, what the minds of men come up with.

I was explicit, and said I go to the SOURCE...
And so does APAK...and why He and I aline in agreement on so many Spiritual things.

There ARE particular things APAK has studied, and ask God for Gods Understanding...and the same with me.

Have APAK and I studied all the exact same things...probably not. But we have studied many of the same things, and sought the SAME SOURCE for HIS understanding...

He and I can exchange things, spark each others interest .... me telling him what I have learned...he doing the same....both knowing we seek the SAME source for understanding the knowledge APAK and I exchange.

We don't "COMPETE" with each other, but rather editify each other and grow in our relationship with God, and as brothers IN Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Why don't you calm down and actually R*E*A*D what I wrote instead of going on another psychotic, verbose rant.
I never "slandered" Calvin or anybody else. I denigrated his position on OSAS - NOT the man, so get your facts straight.

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Oh good grief...use a bit of common sense instead of hiding behind "political correctness"...

If something IS a mans IDEA, a mans THOUGHTS, a mans WORDS....really, you think that is NOT the man you are attacking?

LOL

Secondly - I stated that this false doctrine is based on a misrepresentation of Scripture

WHAT Scripture?
Missing FACTS!!

Replaced with your opinion.
Sorry, wouldn't fly in a court, doesn't fly with me.

Apparently, you are having great difficulty reading so I'll put it to you plainly:
The "phases" are:
Initial salvation.
Maintaining salvation through enduring faith.
Final salvation.

Here is an even simpler explanation:
- You're drowning in a storm at sea (lost in sin).
-A boat comes by to rescue you and you get in (Initial salvation).
-You work with the Captain to keep the boat afloat in the storm (Ongoing salvation).
-You reach dry land and are finally out of the storm (Final salvation).

At ANY time - you can stop working with the Captain and jump off the boat
It's as simple as that . . .

I am fully aware of what misrepresentation means, and do not require examples.

Apparently you still fail to understand...
You have made accusations..you have stated your opinions...you have claimed a misrepresentation of Scripture....

But you have FAILED to present the Facts...of WHAT Scriptures you are claiming were misrepresentated!

 

[Heb 13:8]

Could you explain this scripture?

Well, without evidence that a born again believer injects heroin every day, it would be in your imagination?

No - the consequences, as I have presented them ad nauseam are Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19.

Apr 3, pg 92, post #1831 . "I was blind, but now I see". God bless.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

we talk about sinning all the time
what kind of sins are we talking about
they may not actually be sins

 

[Taken]

we talk about sinning all the time
what kind of sins are we talking about
they may not actually be sins

Excellent comment...

Dare anyone who Claims they commit SIN, answer?

Dare anyone who Claims OTHERS commit Sin, answer?

I doubt it...but we'lll see.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

GodsGrace: I do not know your situation and thank you dearly for sharing this...
BL: YOU ARE STILL and ALWAYS ARE SAVED as you can rejoice that your spirit acknowledges that God is within you.
Unfortunately we have consequences for what we do in our body...regardless, God does love you and he want to keep YOUR spirit for salvation.
No one can take that from him..not even you, once you have the love of God in you

Bless you,

APAK

Here's my situation:
I've been married a really long time.
Got married when I was really young.
Everything worked out great.
Two kids, great. Both married.
5 grandchildren.

I don't even smoke, let alone do heroine. It was just an extreme example.

You say things that don't sound like mainline Christianity. I'm not saying you're not Christian or anything like that,,,just that you speak a different language than I do. Many times it's the language that creates a problem understanding a person.

 

[GodsGrace]

First of all.....you can not RETURN TO SIN.

You need to figure out what SIN is in application TO YOU.

Did God forgive you of shooting up herion or forgive you for NOT believing in Him?

Jews SIN wasn't disbelief in God.....it was Disobedience to the Law!
Once Jesus arrived...their SIN is also...NOT believing in Christ Jesus, as their Messiah.

If you ARE save and would rather shoot up herion than stay active in HIS WORD and Fellowhipping spirit to Spirit with him...

Go shoot up herion...you can freely choose to do so.



God does nothing TO YOU. He ALLOWS you to suffer the consequences of your freewill choice.
IF you become sick, it was because of your choice to shoot heroine...He didn't make you or stop you....YOU get to deal with the consequences of your choices.

Sick, broke, strung out, arrested, family abandoned you....whatever...you get to deal with the consequences.

He promises to be available to Comfort you.
So, you can call on Him and cry to Him and whine about how weak you are....and He can comfort you and give you the strength you desire....IF that is your desire.



Still be saved..? Of course you would still be saved. Once given, God does not take back His gift of Salvation He gives to a man.

God Bless,
Taken

I hope you understand someday that if I live a life of sin, I cannot be saved.
If I was saved, I've lost my salvation.
God and sin cannot live in the same space.

The word believe includes in it the idea of obeying.
Check it out.

 

[GodsGrace]

If it is so easy to understand, as you say...why are you calling the mind the soul? And saying man does not have a spirit?

Scripture does not give you KNOWLEDGE saying those things, nor does Scripture give you the UNDERSTANDING that you claim.

The KEY is....Scripture gives you KNOWLEDGE....even the angels holy and fallen, can read the KNOWLEDGE God has given to mankind....and ANY man, saved or not has access to the KNOWLEDGE God has given mankind.

KNOWLEDGE is one thing. It is simply information.

UUNDERSTANDING is a completely different thing. It is precisely comprehending the MEANING of the KNOWLEDGE.

You just claimed the NT is VERY EASY to understand....

That simply tells me...you read the KNOWLEDGE, and very easily with your MIND figure out what the KNOWLEDGE MEANS.

That's nice.........EXCEPT THAT...

The KNOWLEDGE...is precisely Gods WORD.
And ONLY GOD can give "HIS UNDERSTANDING" of HIS OWN WORD.

And guess what?? Gods UNDERSTANDING IS NOT written in ink on paper!

And mans Understanding, (that you say is so easy) comes from a mans MIND....(which IS against God) and but Foolishness to God.

Gods Understanding comes FROM GOD, given TO a man, WHO IS "WITH" God...and SEEKS God "FOR HIS UNDERSTANDING".

THAT is precisely HOW scripture teaches, How I seek, what I have said numerous times for others TO DO, and why, it is so easy to dismiss, what the minds of men come up with.

I was explicit, and said I go to the SOURCE...
And so does APAK...and why He and I aline in agreement on so many Spiritual things.

There ARE particular things APAK has studied, and ask God for Gods Understanding...and the same with me.

Have APAK and I studied all the exact same things...probably not. But we have studied many of the same things, and sought the SAME SOURCE for HIS understanding...

He and I can exchange things, spark each others interest .... me telling him what I have learned...he doing the same....both knowing we seek the SAME source for understanding the knowledge APAK and I exchange.

We don't "COMPETE" with each other, but rather editify each other and grow in our relationship with God, and as brothers IN Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

Taken, I'M not calling the mind the soul. I posted a diagram for you. What more could I do??

I've learned from those who know, I don't know who YOU have learned from. Maybe the Holy Spirit.

You say I've learned from men...what are you? A man..and yet you have your very own ideas. I'll learn from theologians.

What do you think 1 Corinthians 2:14 is talking about??

 

[GodsGrace]

we talk about sinning all the time
what kind of sins are we talking about
they may not actually be sins

When we don't obey God, we're sinning.
When we damage our body, the temple of the Holy Spirit, we're sinning.
When we hurt another human being, we're sinning.
When we damage nature, which we're supposed to be stewards of, we're sinning.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, without evidence that a born again believer injects heroin every day, it would be in your imagination?

You're not able to explain a verse that you posted?
Why did you post it??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I hope you understand someday that if I live a life of sin, I cannot be saved.
If I was saved, I've lost my salvation.
God and sin cannot live in the same space.

The word believe includes in it the idea of obeying.
Check it out.

You already told me in the past that you could never leave Jesus.
What makes you think someone else could?
Only one answer.
A poor understanding of those Scriptures, and I admit they are not easy to understand
But many times when I give answers, people just refuse to believe me
If you can't leave Jesus yourself, then stop saying other people can
That's not how we edify the assembly

 

[Heb 13:8]

You're not able to explain a verse that you posted?
Why did you post it??

I did explain. Sin cannot separate us from God. Rom 8:35, 38-39, Eph 1:13-14, 1 Jhn 1:8-10.

 

[GodsGrace]

You already told me in the past that you could never leave Jesus.
What makes you think someone else could?
Only one answer.
A poor understanding of those Scriptures, and I admit they are not easy to understand
But many times when I give answers, people just refuse to believe me
If you can't leave Jesus yourself, then stop saying other people can
That's not how we edify the assembly

There are those that say we can sin and still be saved.
Is this a problem to you?

 

[GodsGrace]

I did explain. Sin cannot separate us from God. Rom 8:35, 38-39, Eph 1:13-14, 1 Jhn 1:8-10.

I hope @Rollo Tamasi sees this post.
You say sin cannot separate us from God.

The scripture you had posted is 2 Corinthians 10:5
Why won't you explain it?

Jesus said that those who practice lawlessness will not enter into heaven...they will be told to depart from Him. Do you not agree with Jesus?
Mathew 7:23

 

[Taken]

Apparently, you are having great difficulty reading so I'll put it to you plainly:
The "phases" are:
Initial salvation.
Maintaining salvation through enduring faith.
Final salvation.

Your Phases...according to you...
The "initial"...is what exactly?
The "maintaining" is done by whom exactly?
The "final"...is what exactly?

 

[Taken]

There are those that say we can sin and still be saved.
Is this a problem to you?

Those claims are fallacies.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Jesus said that those who practice lawlessness will not enter into heaven...they will be told to depart from Him. Do you not agree with Jesus?Mathew 7:23

Well, if you back up to Matt 7:15 you will see it is speaking of sheep and wolves, believers and nonbelievers. Works will not get you to heaven. God bless

Matt 7:22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

 

[Taken]

I hope you understand someday that if I live a life of sin, I cannot be saved.
If I was saved, I've lost my salvation.
God and sin cannot live in the same space.

The word believe includes in it the idea of obeying.
Check it out.

Our differences is not words, not language, but understanding...and the same is with you toward APAK.

ONCE you ARE SAVED and BORN again...
WHAT SIN CAN YOU COMMIT?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

There are those that say we can sin and still be saved.
Is this a problem to you?

Who are these people, I'll set them straight.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I hope @Rollo Tamasi sees this post.
You say sin cannot separate us from God.

The scripture you had posted is 2 Corinthians 10:5
Why won't you explain it?

Jesus said that those who practice lawlessness will not enter into heaven...they will be told to depart from Him. Do you not agree with Jesus?
Mathew 7:23

Concerning 2 Corinthians 10:5;
Spirtual sanity, spiritual mind.
2 Timothy 1:7;
"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love, and of self discipline."

This is how we take captive all our thoughts and put them in line with Jesus.