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[BreadOfLife]

read teh dictionary

Ahhhhh, no answer again.
That's what I thought . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

yo

Ahhhhh, no answer again.
That's what I thought . .

u dont think to much do yo, have a lovely day.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, Jesus didn't forbid calling men "father", he forbid calling men father in the spiritual sense as that is a title given only to God. He was not referring to your earthly father. In the spiritual sense, there is only one father, and that is God. If Paul was calling himself their spiritual Father, then yes, he sinned. Jesus was quite clear on this, you call no man your spiritual "Father", for there is only one spiritual Father who is in heaven, its really as simple as that.

Uhhhhh, no - that's NOT what Jesus said.
Time for another Bible lesson - and read carefully . . .

In Matt. 23:9, Jesus tels the people not to call men like the Pharisees, "Father" because of the self-exaltation.
In the verse that precedes this (Matt: 23:8), Jesus tells us not to call people “Teachers”.

Is Jesus telling us that we can’t call certain people "fathers" or “teachers” when they may actually be fathers or teachers? Absolutely not. If that were the case - every school kid would be guilty of sin for referring to the people who teach them math, science, history and everything else.

He is telling us that no man is to be considered father ABOVE our Father in heaven and no person is to be considered teacher ABOVE our Teacher in heaven.

 

[BreadOfLife]

read teh dictionary

yo

u dont think to much do yo, have a lovely day.

PLEASE take a spelling class.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I get the impression that BOL is only here for fun.
Seems like it's a hobby.
Must have a lot of stuff stored up in the computer and mostly copy and paste the responses.
I see a lot of the same when I scroll through the posts.
It's starting to be boring.
Time to leave these kind of threads and move on.
Nothing good comes out of it now, just a waste of time.

Sooooo, your problem with e is that I repeat the truth?
Why would I change it up with something that is NOT true??

Think about it . . .

 

[Taken]

Cherry-picking Scripture verses as you do, doesn't show the word of god in its proper context.

Already explained this to you.

You call it cherry picking, and then say it prevents the Word of God in it's Proper Context.

Scripture calls it Dividing the Word of Truth, precisely to Apply the Truth IN CONTEXT!

I can cherry-pick a verse to show you that God doesn't exist - but the CONTEXT of Scripture says that He does.

You might could show, SOME MAY BELIEVE God does not exist. However that is moot, to the Fact God does Exist.

You quote 2 John 1:2 as "proof" that we cannot lose our salvation - yet that is NOT what it is saying at ALL.
It says that the truth will be with us forever - but it is contingent on the verses that follow it:

Many Scriptures reveal, a man WHO HAS become Saved and Born Again is FOREVER with the Lord.

If FOREVER has you stumped, you deal with it.

As for John 8:24 - it never even IMPLIES that we can't lose our salvation.

IF you have not received Salvation from the Lord.... You don't have Salvation.

If you physically die without having received Salvation....too bad. You loose. You have no option to receive Salvation. You lose, receiving what was provided for you TO RECEIVE.

Try again . . .

No. You are obviously teaching a man can RECEIVE SALVATION and then LOSE his SALVATION. Which is False.

You obviously require an elementary Bible, since you do not comprehend....

Men can lose out on their Salvation, BY NOT RECEIVING IT.

Men who RECEIVE their SALVATION have Received it from the Lord, and it is FOREVER Kept unto the man, BY the Lords Power within the man.

Dividing the Word of Truth is paramount.

All the Scriptures that speak of, warn of, men not receiving Salvation are in danger of losing it..... has ZERO application to a man who has received his Salvation.

But then you have revealed, you ignore WHO Scripture is speaking of.

Typical descender.....to pick out inapplicable verses and pretend they widely apply to all, when they don't.

Ugh! WOT. You revel in your stubbornness; rather than seeking the Truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

BOL: I was not going to answer you although I felt like I needed to let know the error in your thinking. It is faulty logic you gave me in your response. I think you may want to re-evaluate it - Matt 5:13 and even Rev 21:27 you added for its support.

You still stubbornly cling onto the notion that the verse I explained to you, that is clearly not about losing salvation, still means the opposite for you. You have the simplistic mind whereby you see the word salt like a preservative for salvation, as salt preserves. Yes, salt does preserve. You are ignoring the context of this verse and forgetting it is through faith and in spreading the gospel that preserves to the knowledge of the gospel and to salvation, for others. The disciples were teaching and spreading the gospel that leads to salvation. And they need to continue or else they would LOSE this habit, experience and even unwavering faith – the salt they had in their possession. So, in your simple reasoning if you lose salt you lose salvation. Notice that Jesus never threatened their salvation. You still have salvation.

Now let’s look at the context of verse 13 shall we..

(Mat 5:13) “You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

(Mat 5:14) “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.

(Mat 5:15) Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house.

(Mat 5:16) In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. (All ESV)

Jesus is saying in these verse, (again), that the disciples are to ‘spread the gospel that leads to salvation.’ This is the salt. It is the salt they need to use. The disciples having faith in the gospel need to share it with others. They cannot hide it and lose their effectiveness and the works they are doing for God that glorify him. Jesus is saying he might as well get others to do God’s work if they are not going to do it.

Further it seems you wildly found any scripture that might be associated with salt, salvation and uncleanliness and threw it out there as comeback support. Now let’s look at that verse as well shall we:

(Rev 21:27) But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The setting here is that those not ‘saved,’ cannot enter the New Jerusalem. Only those with their names in the Book of Life. They are ‘clean’ they are perfect.

I did note you said that nothing imperfect shall enter. You know before I got ‘saved’ I considered myself imperfect and not good enough for God. Well you know when you come to God as a sinner, and you humbly regret your imperfections as in sin, and of believe in his son as you do, he heals you and makes you ‘perfect.’ It is the only way. YOU and I cannot to anything to make us perfect.

BOL, do you feel imperfect today? If you do, then maybe you need to seek out God and chat with him. That you want to really know your name is in the Book of Life. He will haunt you to true salvation if you dare start thinking this way, from your deepest part of your heart. I dare you to try.
Bless you,
APAK

Again, you're talking out of BOTH side of your mouth.
Do you even bother to read your own posts?? The text above in RED is a giant contradiction.

Do you actually believe that you can get to heaven if you lose faith?? Because the Bible says just the opposite
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet.r 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

Finally - I urge you again to read what Jesus said in CONTEXT, because context doesn't seem to be your friend.
If YOU (salt) LOSE your flavor - YOU are no long ANY good and should be disposed of.


Something that is NO good is ALL bad.

 

[Taken]

And I've shown you several verses that show other people as being spiritual "fathers".

As for my being a "brainwashed" Catholic - you don't really know what you're talking about.
I actually went through a kind of reversion to the faith after having dabbled in Protestantism - like 9 of my 12 siblings did. I returned to the faith, whereas, they remained Protestants. I compared the belief systems and realized that the 2000 year old truth of the Catholic faith established by Jesus and the apostles trumped ANY sect started by flawed, rebellious men.

LOL ~ " you returned to the Faith, they remained Protestants! "

Ya I would call that a "brainwashed" percept.

Catholics do not have an Exclusive right to receive FAITH from God.

FYI - Jesus did not establish "the Catholic Church".

Jesus "established" His Church....and
IFY....it is not in Rome, Italy, or build with brick and mortar and hands of men!

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Already explained this to you.
You call it cherry picking, and then say it prevents the Word of God in it's Proper Context.
Scripture calls it Dividing the Word of Truth, precisely to Apply the Truth IN CONTEXT!

No - it's cherry-picking because now, you are pitting all of the other verses I provided against it.
that is the danger of cherry-picking Scripture.

You might could show, SOME MAY BELIEVE God does not exist. However that is moot, to the Fact God does Exist.

Psalm 14:1 flatly says “There is no God.”

However - that is ONLY is I were to cherry-pick like YOU do. In context, it says:
The FOOL says in his heart, “There is no God.”

Many Scriptures reveal, a man WHO HAS become Saved and Born Again is FOREVER with the Lord.

If FOREVER has you stumped, you deal with it.
IF you have not received Salvation from the Lord.... You don't have Salvation.

If you physically die without having received Salvation....too bad. You loose. You have no option to receive Salvation. You lose, receiving what was provided for you TO RECEIVE.

No. You are obviously teaching a man can RECEIVE SALVATION and then LOSE his SALVATION. Which is False.
You obviously require an elementary Bible, since you do not comprehend....

Men can lose out on their Salvation, BY NOT RECEIVING IT.
Men who RECEIVE their SALVATION have Received it from the Lord, and it is FOREVER Kept unto the man, BY the Lords Power within the man.

Dividing the Word of Truth is paramount.
All the Scriptures that speak of, warn of, men not receiving Salvation are in danger of losing it..... has ZERO application to a man who has received his Salvation.

But then you have revealed, you ignore WHO Scripture is speaking of.
Typical descender.....to pick out inapplicable verses and pretend they widely apply to all, when they don't.

Ugh! WOT. You revel in your stubbornness; rather than seeking the Truth.

AGAIN - you have not provided a SINGLE verse of Scripture that even IMPLIES we cannot lose our salvation.

You keep trying to rationalize and reason away the meaning of the verses you present - but NONE of them say what you want them to. I can sit here all day like YOU and insist that the Bible is saying something that it is NOT - but that doesn't make it true . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL ~ " you returned to the Faith, they remained Protestants! "
Ya I would call that a "brainwashed" percept.

Catholics do not have an Exclusive right to receive FAITH from God.
FYI - Jesus did not establish "the Catholic Church".

Jesus "established" His Church....and
IFY....it is not in Rome, Italy, or build with brick and mortar and hands of men!

God Bless,
Taken

When did I say that Protestants can't receive faith??
Baptized Protestants are indeed Christian. However - you are SEPARATED Christians.

Look - if you can't win an argument with facts - don't resort to lying. I'ts embarrassing when I have to expose you.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Ehhhh - false.

Nobody is required to give money for prayers.
The money is a charitable donation - not a requirement.

Anything else?

Pay for pray
All the bad protestants copy this, a good way to make big bucks
Listen to me Breadman, you need prayer?
Just tell me, I will pray for you for free.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm not looking for your pity, bbyrd.
I'm simply exposing lies, myths and falsehoods that are aimed at the Catholic Church.

If you can't have an honest conversation - then maybe you should find another hobby.

Don't worry Breadman, I have pity on you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Pay for pray
All the bad protestants copy this, a good way to make big bucks
Listen to me Breadman, you need prayer?
Just tell me, I will pray for you for free.

Thanks - and so will any of my Catholic brothers and sisters.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Don't worry Breadman, I have pity on you.

That's great.
Maybe you should also crack open a Bible from time to time . . .

 

[Taken]

Actually - that is Redemption.

Everybody who ever lived or ever WILL live including Manson, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin, Kim Jong Un, et al, is redeemed (paid for) by what Jesus did on the cross.

Yes, Jesus PAID the Redemptive PRICE...
But No, not All ACCEPT Jesus having Paid the price of Redemption for them.

Salvation

, however, requires our cooperation.
"All" are NOT saved by the cross because MANY will choose to reject that gift..

What is this "cooperation" you speak of?

Expound what you precisely mean.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And I've shown you several verses that show other people as being spiritual "fathers".

Scripture is full of verses of men, called fathers, that men were biologically descended from.

Scripture is full of verses of men, called fathers, that were the head of their families, their tribes, the people they were responsible for.

Scripture is full of verses of men, called faithful, and called Gods people.

Where are the Scriptures that teach....??

What man walks on the earth, Scripture calls the HOLY FATHER ?

What man walks on the earth, Scripture says to bow down to men in piety to them?

Is it not a fact, the Catholics, call their elected Pope, their HOLY FATHER, and bow down to him in piety TO him?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That's great.
Maybe you should also crack open a Bible from time to time . . .

You'd make a good stand up comedian........in North Korea!

 

[Taken]

You'd make a good stand up comedian........in North Korea!

Clever.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[APAK]

Again, you're talking out of BOTH side of your mouth.
Do you even bother to read your own posts?? The text above in RED is a giant contradiction.

Do you actually believe that you can get to heaven if you lose faith?? Because the Bible says just the opposite
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet.r 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

Finally - I urge you again to read what Jesus said in CONTEXT, because context doesn't seem to be your friend.
If YOU (salt) LOSE your flavor - YOU are no long ANY good and should be disposed of.


Something that is NO good is ALL bad.

BOL:

Well it was unavoidable. I did another analysis and you are found not to be a reasonable person.

I'm sorry you cannot decipher scripture at all, and will not listen to or consider anyone's view but your own.

Comments like "something that is no good is all bad," and "the text in red is a giant contradiction," and your consistent and ignorant lack of understanding of faith, only comes from a child having a tantrum that needs attention and love.

Are you trying to somehow shout me down. Well its not working. You have 'no clothes' as I said before.

It must be lonely for you on the walls of Catholicism, trying to defend a castle of worn-out pagan ideas.

Yes, you can try and shield yourself, only temporarily, by throwing out dozens of scriptures back in my face each time I breach your walls, to keep me busy as you think. And it's a shame you do not even understand what you are 'throwing out.' I believe some one might call this sheer ignorance or blindness.

Stop kidding yourself and start to learn the word of God with the assistance of others on this board and on this site.

One of these days you will come down off the wall next to your lofty tower.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Triumph1300]

Well said Apak.
But I'm afraid you'r wasting your time.