Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

You're evading the question.
Exactly as you accuse everyone else.
Let's face it Breadman, your days here are numbered.
You don't know how to defend your church as you claim
Let's forget about indulgences just for a moment and let's talk about mass cards.
Where do they show up in Scripture?

In other words, you got caught spewing ignorance.
You never had a case regarding Indulgences because you don't pay attention.

Now - as for Mass cards - James 5:16 says pretty clearly that we are to PRAY for one another.
That's what a Mass card IS, Einstein. It is offering up prayers for somebody.

Anything else??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Mass cards
All I could find online was the Canons of Hyppolytus.
Again, skip Scripture and go to a church father for answers.
Doesn't sound Christian at all.

 

[BreadOfLife]

These are your words in post #623

Let's face it Breadman, you're busted.
You can't stand up to my catholic knowledge
you're through around here
time for you to find a new forum.....

Having trouble, Rollo?

Can't remember what it was you wanted me to rebut??
Or is it just that you finally realized that you didn't have a case??

That's what I thought . . .

 

[Dcopymope]

Time for a BIBLE lesson . . .

St. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
Paul ALSO says to the Corinthians - "For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

Was Paul "Ignoroing" God??

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are referred to as "father" because they technically were in the physical sense as Israel is a direct descendant from them. As for Paul, can you find anyone in scripture actually referring to Paul as "father"? As far as I see, they just called him Paul.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mass cards
All I could find online was the Canons of Hyppolytus.
Again, skip Scripture and go to a church father for answers.
Doesn't sound Christian at all.

Are you even READING my posts??
I already gave you Scripture support for Mass cards in James 5:15.

R*E*A*D post #661 . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are referred to as "father" because they technically were in the physical sense as Israel is a direct descendant from them. As for Paul, can you find anyone in scripture actually referring to Paul as "father"? As far as I see, they just called him Paul.

Boy - talk about Scriptural acrobatics . . .

Paul clearly calls HIMSELF a "Father" to the Corinthians and to Timothy.
If it is wrong to consider anybody else a "Father" - then Paul was sinning.

WAS Paul sinning here??

 

[Dcopymope]

Boy - talk about Scriptural acrobatics . . .

Paul clearly calls HIMSELF a "Father" to the Corinthians and to Timothy.
If it is wrong to consider anybody else a "Father" - then Paul was sinning.

WAS Paul sinning here??

Well, based on what Jesus Christ said, yes.

(Matthew 23:9-12) "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. {10} Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. {11} But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. {12} And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted."

You go on about whether or not Paul sinned because he called himself their "father". Did Paul's encounter with Jesus Christ suddenly make him a perfect, sinless being? Paul certainly didn't think so looking at the verse below. Would him referring to himself as their father suddenly void him being saved by the grace of God through Jesus? I don't think so, and as far as I know, the only perfect being to ever exist was Jesus Christ.

(Romans 7:19-25) "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. {20} Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. {21} I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. {22} For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: {23} But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. {24} O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? {25} I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, based on what Jesus Christ said, yes.

You go on about whether or not Paul sinned because he called himself their "father". Did Paul's encounter with Jesus Christ suddenly make him a perfect, sinless being? Paul certainly didn't think so looking at the verse below. Would him referring to himself as their father suddenly void him being saved by the grace of God through Jesus? I don't think so, and as far as I know, the only perfect being to ever exist was Jesus Christ.

Jesus didn't forbid calling men "Father".
If he DID - then Jesus referring to Abraham as "Father" would have been hypocrisy.

Jesus was speaking about the Scribes and Pharisees who exalted themselves before all: “They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues, greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation 'Rabbi.”(Matt 23:6-7). They considered themselves "Father" of the Jews over God.

Exod. 20:12 commands the Jews to honor their FATHER and mother.

Paul wasn't sinning by calling himself "Father" of the Corinthians because he didn't consider himself a Father ABOVE God.
He was a spiritual Father to them - NOT a literal one and not THE Father in Heaven.

 

[bbyrd009]

And if YOU keep lying - you'll end up somewhere you don't want to be for eternity.
I'm actually doing you a favor. Admonishing the sinner is a work of mercy.

makes your ego feel great, huh, to admonish other ppl?
You make it really hard for someone to even feel any pity for you

 

[BreadOfLife]

makes your ego feel great, huh, to admonish other ppl?
You make it really hard for someone to even feel any pity for you

I'm not looking for your pity, bbyrd.
I'm simply exposing lies, myths and falsehoods that are aimed at the Catholic Church.

If you can't have an honest conversation - then maybe you should find another hobby.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not looking for your pity, bbyrd.
I'm simply exposing lies, myths and falsehoods that are aimed at the Catholic Church.

If you can't have an honest conversation - then maybe you should find another hobby.

is Judge not lest you be judged even in the DRB, BoL?

ok, i have to stop talking to you now--mostly bc i feel like no matter what i say, i am poking a wounded animal or something--but i hope you get some relief, ok? You don't have to justify your beliefs to anyone, imo. It's not your fault, ok

 

[Dcopymope]

Jesus didn't forbid calling men "Father".
If he DID - then Jesus referring to Abraham as "Father" would have been hypocrisy.

Jesus was speaking about the Scribes and Pharisees who exalted themselves before all: “They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues, greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation 'Rabbi.”(Matt 23:6-7). They considered themselves "Father" of the Jews over God.

Exod. 20:12 commands the Jews to honor their FATHER and mother.

Paul wasn't sinning by calling himself "Father" of the Corinthians because he didn't consider himself a Father ABOVE God.
He was a spiritual Father to them - NOT a literal one and not THE Father in Heaven.

No, Jesus didn't forbid calling men "father", he forbid calling men father in the spiritual sense as that is a title given only to God. He was not referring to your earthly father. In the spiritual sense, there is only one father, and that is God. If Paul was calling himself their spiritual Father, then yes, he sinned. Jesus was quite clear on this, you call no man your spiritual "Father", for there is only one spiritual Father who is in heaven, its really as simple as that.

 

[mjrhealth]

I asked you to tell me HOW I am a hypocrite.

read teh dictionary

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

In other words, you got caught spewing ignorance.
You never had a case regarding Indulgences because you don't pay attention.

Now - as for Mass cards - James 5:16 says pretty clearly that we are to PRAY for one another.
That's what a Mass card IS, Einstein. It is offering up prayers for somebody.

Anything else??

Why does offering up prayers cost money?
Where is that in Scripture?
Why do I keep asking you about Scripture?
You don't know how to use any Scripture correctly
PM me and I'll start giving you lessons

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Are you even READING my posts??
I already gave you Scripture support for Mass cards in James 5:15.

R*E*A*D post #661 . . .

But that doesn't talk about dead people and getting them out of purgatory

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Let's face it breadman, you are in a world of your own
what are you gonna do when you get to heaven and nobody's there?

 

[Triumph1300]

I get the impression that BOL is only here for fun.
Seems like it's a hobby.
Must have a lot of stuff stored up in the computer and mostly copy and paste the responses.
I see a lot of the same when I scroll through the posts.
It's starting to be boring.
Time to leave these kind of threads and move on.
Nothing good comes out of it now, just a waste of time.

 

[mjrhealth]

He has no purpose in life but to defend his religion, that is all he ever does,14 years he reckons. Are we not supposed to be praising God???

 

[Taken]

pls, the selling of indulgences is based upon an assumption of OSAS lol

What Church SELLS TO their Saved congregrates to BE Corrupt, that it doesn't matter because they are saved?

 

[Taken]

Thanks for dodging the question.
Now, how about answering it?

ONE more time:
Where does God say that you can NEVER lose your salvation??

One LAST TIME ~

IF one NEVER RECEIVES SALVATION,
THEY LOSE SALVATION.

John 8:24
I (Jesus) SAID therefor unto you, that ye
SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS: for
IF YE BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE,
YE shall DIE IN YOUR SINS.

IF one RECEIVES SALVATION,
IT IS THEIRS FOREVER.

2 John 1:2
For truth's sake, which
DWELLETH IN US,
And shall BE with us FOR EVER.

God Bless,
Taken