It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[Marymog]

True, who will stand up and be the first to say that they hear perfectly.
I made it clear...none of us do.


I am not that smart, wise, or spiritual that I could know what only God Himself knows! :)
I have a feeling ( just a feeling) That God's desire if for us to see that we all need each other along the Path Homeward...but most would much rather believe that they by themselves can have the whole ball of wax. Such is life, such is man.

Thank you BG.

If none of us hear perfectly then I guess we will never know the Truth of scripture.

If no one is the decider on who has crooked ears and are dull of hearing or who has the problem the I guess we will never know OR be able to call out those people.

Maybe the people who believe that abortion is not murder are right and I am wrong? Those that believe gay marriage is supported by scripture are right and I am wrong?

We will never know.

IHS...Mary

 

[OzSpen]

God's message IS always clear...no problem His end...it's the crooked ears and dull of hearing which have the problem.
We all believe that 'we' hear clearly and that the other guy doesn't.
Sometimes it behoves us to put our nose in our own pocket and get on with our relationship between ourselves and God.

When Peter said to Jesus- " What shall this man do?" ( speaking of John)
Jesus said- " What's that got to do with you? You follow Me."
That is what is of vital importance to our soul, not the other guy.

ByGrace,

So, what's the 'clear' message in context of 1 Tim 2:15 (ESV), 'Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control'?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

I thought we were in a Christian forum, am I mistaken?

My comments were addressed to Amadeus in his post 1521.

Make sure you know what were being discussed before responding.

Jun

Jun,

What's the meaning of 'forum'? The Merriam-Webster dictionary definition is:

Definition of forum
plural forums also fora play \ˈfȯr-ə\
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business
b : a public meeting place for open discussion

• The club provides a forum for people interested in local history.

c : a medium (such as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of idea (Merriam-Webster dictionary 2017. s v forum).​

This Christian forum complies with the third definition (c) of 'a medium ... of open discussion or expression of idea'.

Therefore, in a forum it is legitimate for anyone, including me, to participate in what you wrote to another poster. If that is not the case, the moderators need to advise me. Up to this point of my engagement with CyB, anyone can add to the discussion by commenting on what anybody else has written.

Oz

 

[bbyrd009]

It is absolutely true that the truth isn't relative.

hey, stick with that as long as it serves you, Mary, even though you cannot come up with a single example. I reap from my sowing.

If no one is the decider on who has crooked ears and are dull of hearing or who has the problem the I guess we will never know OR be able to call out those people.

that could only come from a position of pride and separation anyway, imo.
If i were to tell you that your ears are whacked, and you have obviously been led into a state of separation from God--thinking you will ever be qualified to judge other ppls walk--how does that sit with you, Mary? Am i helping you any? Are you picking up what i'm laying down? In what universe do you imagine that anyone would appreciate that?

We will never know.

you were never called to know anything for anyone else anyway, Mary. We are told to judge by the fruit, for ourselves, near as i can tell

" What's that got to do with you? You follow Me."

 

[amadeus]

It is God’s prerogative to give or open an individual’s eyes to understand a message. When we became saved, our conversion was instant, in that, we received eternal life, and “eternal” in God’s language has the same meaning as that in our English language...”for ever.”

So when God does not open our eyes to understand a particular message, it does NOT mean we are not His at that particular moment, rather He wishes to reserve another date to reveal the meaning...in His good time!

To God Be The Glory

I do disagree. I definitely am not a OSAS supporter.

 

[amadeus]

I am going to try one more time. I still can't find your answer to my question.

You said His message is ALWAYS CLEAR.

So I ask you: If His message is always clear then why are there so many different interpretations of the same scripture passage? OBVIOUSLY His message isn't clear if there are different interpretations. Correct?

It is Clear to God and it is clear to those to who are in His name and are being addressed.

Since there are varying interpretations of the same passage of scripture, and all claim the Holy Spirit guided them, then obviously His message ISN'T very clear which is OPPOSITE of what you are saying. Correct?

To those with "ears to hear" to whom God is speaking His message is clear. Many do not have the right ears and many who do are not being addressed.

If His message is clear then there would be no IN and OUT like you seem to believe. If his message is clear we would always be IN. Correct?

The message is only clear to the ones I indicated. The others are out of the loop.

We can't, as you say, "draw conclusions" if his message is CLEAR. Correct?

If we are among those to whom the message is clear, yes...

People who are sincere disagree because they are not praying without ceasing OR not rejoicing in the Lord always? Who is the judge of that? You? Me?

God! For me it would be judged according to the Holy Ghost in me. For you it would be judged according to the Holy Ghost in you. Of course if we are not paying attention, we will miss the point.

According to your theory if I pray without ceasing AND rejoicing in the Lord AND his message is always clear to me that means I am always right in my interpretations of scripture. Correct? I assure you I am doing all those things. Are you?

I have no theory. If you are really doing those two things, you would probably also always be to hear His message and understand it.

 

[Jun2u]

Jun,

What's the meaning of 'forum'? The Merriam-Webster dictionary definition is:

Definition of forum
plural forums also fora play \ˈfȯr-ə\
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business
b : a public meeting place for open discussion

• The club provides a forum for people interested in local history.

c : a medium (such as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of idea (Merriam-Webster dictionary 2017. s v forum).​

This Christian forum complies with the third definition (c) of 'a medium ... of open discussion or expression of idea'.

Therefore, in a forum it is legitimate for anyone, including me, to participate in what you wrote to another poster. If that is not the case, the moderators need to advise me. Up to this point of my engagement with CyB, anyone can add to the discussion by commenting on what anybody else has written.

Oz

I may not have a good command of the English language, but please don’t insult my intelligence! I do know the definition of the word “forum,” and most certainly you can join in the discussions in these open forums.

I’m sorry you have misunderstood my comments. I was responding to the last two sentences of your post – hence, my comment...‘I thought we were in a Christian forum, am I mistaken? ‘

Jun

 

[Marymog]

It is Clear to God and it is clear to those to who are in His name and are being addressed.

To those with "ears to hear" to whom God is speaking His message is clear. Many do not have the right ears and many who do are not being addressed.

The message is only clear to the ones I indicated. The others are out of the loop.

If we are among those to whom the message is clear, yes...

God! For me it would be judged according to the Holy Ghost in me. For you it would be judged according to the Holy Ghost in you. Of course if we are not paying attention, we will miss the point.

I have no theory. If you are really doing those two things, you would probably also always be to hear His message and understand it.

Hi Amadeus,

Thank you for your time. I sure wish you could answer my questions where I could understand your theory but I just don't understand what you are saying. You write lots of words but there is no answer in those words. I guess only God know why I don't understand. ;)


Mary

 

[Marymog]

ByGrace,

So, what's the 'clear' message in context of 1 Tim 2:15 (ESV), 'Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control'?

Oz

As long as us women perform our role as wives and mothers in faith and love, our salvation is assured.

Love, Mary

 

[amadeus]

Hi Amadeus,

Thank you for your time. I sure wish you could answer my questions where I could understand your theory but I just don't understand what you are saying. You write lots of words but there is no answer in those words. I guess only God know why I don't understand. ;)


Mary

Unfortunately, it is may be difficult to explain in understandable words the things of God to someone who does not believe doctrines and such exactly the same. Thank you for your kindness. The important thing is that you believe whatever God puts in your heart. We may not be as far apart as you think. God is the one we need to please.

 

[Marymog]

Unfortunately, it is may be difficult to explain in understandable words the things of God to someone who does not believe doctrines and such exactly the same. Thank you for your kindness. The important thing is that you believe whatever God puts in your heart. We may not be as far apart as you think. God is the one we need to please.

Once again, I don't understand what you are saying. You have said it is clear now you are saying it is difficult to explain. If it was clear, it wouldn't be difficult to explain. You are saying completely opposite things.

When you say "The important thing is that you believe whatever God puts in your heart" you are preaching Relativism and that belief is dangerous. That belief has divided Christianity and is not biblical.

BTW....We are very far apart, but I appreciate your time.

Love, Mary

 

[Marymog]

that could only come from a position of pride and separation anyway, imo.
If i were to tell you that your ears are whacked, and you have obviously been led into a state of separation from God--thinking you will ever be qualified to judge other ppls walk--how does that sit with you, Mary? Am i helping you any? Are you picking up what i'm laying down? In what universe do you imagine that anyone would appreciate that?

Hi bbyrd,

I guess the Apostles had lots of pride since they called out the people with crooked ears and who were dull of hearing and those that had a problem with understanding their teachings (heretics). I think you and I would agree they had the Authority to "judge" whether others "ears are whacked"?

When did the Authority to call out those people end? When the last Apostle died?

IHS...Mary

PS...I would like to respond to the rest of your post but I don't understand it. I gave you an example but you rejected it.

 

[bbyrd009]

Hi Amadeus,

Thank you for your time. I sure wish you could answer my questions where I could understand your theory but I just don't understand what you are saying. You write lots of words but there is no answer in those words. I guess only God know why I don't understand. ;)


Mary

well, you can't mix oil and water, Mary; if you believe that you must confess to a guy you call father in a closet, then you will not be able to accept that you should confess to whom you sin against, and etc. Prolly not the kindest example, but fwiw i would not expect you to understand Amadeus right now. God will not judge you the same way that Amadeus is judged. The kingdom needs ppl like you, too

 

[bbyrd009]

I guess the Apostles had lots of pride since they called out the people with crooked ears and who were dull of hearing and those that had a problem with understanding their teachings (heretics).

generally speaking, yes, but i don't find too much specific condemnation? although there are a couple of egregious ones, i guess. But generally any condemnation seems to be of actions or beliefs, not specific ppl.

 

[bbyrd009]

I think you and I would agree they had the Authority to "judge" whether others "ears are whacked"?

i might ask "to what end?"
iow even if i judge your ears to be whacked, say, how does this change how i am supposed to treat you?
so, the intent seems to me to be important there.

 

[bbyrd009]

When did the Authority to call out those people end? When the last Apostle died?

imo the authority to call out people is perceived, and was installed to invite judgemental people to judge, if that is what they want to do. As is countered and discussed in other areas of Scripture, "judge not, lest you be judged," etc

 

[bbyrd009]

PS...I would like to respond to the rest of your post but I don't understand it.

ha, of course not; i am saying that you obviously need me to "witness" to you in the worst way, and of course being the Loving Soul that i am, i am doing my best to bring Jesus to you, and turn you from your current path, lest you burn in hell for all eternity, which is what i am inferring you will be doing if you don't do what i tell you and dump all that ring-kissing crap.

Now, how does this sit with you, Mary?
are you appreciating my efforts here?
Thankful that i have "witnessed Jesus" to you?
Then why expect anyone else to be?

 

[bbyrd009]

I gave you an example but you rejected it.

i'll go look, brb

you haven't been specific enough there for me to track it down, sorry; if you'll rephrase it i will do my best, but fwiw i do not really hope to address Catholicism in any meaningful way, it is just too far from Scripture to my understanding, ok?

 

[Marymog]

well, you can't mix oil and water, Mary; if you believe that you must confess to a guy you call father in a closet, then you will not be able to accept that you should confess to whom you sin against, and etc. Prolly not the kindest example, but fwiw i would not expect you to understand Amadeus right now. God will not judge you the same way that Amadeus is judged. The kingdom needs ppl like you, too

HI bbyrd,

Not sure what confession has to do with all this but I will tackle your condescending remarks.

In the book of John Jesus said to his apostles, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

In the book of James that authority was passed to men other than the Apostles: Is any one among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

And from the book of Timothy: what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also

Are you saying that the biblical practice and the 2,000 year practice of the guy in the closet is NOT biblical and the guy in the closet can't forgive or retain sins?

If that is what you are saying then that means that the authority to forgive and retain ended sometime in the last 2,000 years. When did that authority end?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

imo the authority to call out people is perceived, and was installed to invite judgemental people to judge, if that is what they want to do. As is countered and discussed in other areas of Scripture, "judge not, lest you be judged," etc

You called me out and you are judging me. So who is this "they" you are talking about???? Are you PERCIEVING that you have authority???;)

You don't need to answer. You have me very confused and we are off topic (Sola Scriptura) Thank you for your time.

Love, Mary