Musk, Johnson, Vance, Lee, other GOP say Russia will win the war in Ukraine, impossible to lose, time to end US billions to Ukraine

[Dan Clarkston]

You need a relationship with Jesus that is very different than the one you currently have.

Hilarious. The devil sends his agents by to make that claim sometimes and it's always a good laugh.

It's always funny when those engaged in supporting what the Lord call abomination accuse others of not knowing the Lord.

Hi there kettle, meet black!

 

[JohnDB]

That's what the baby killin liberals perverts keep saying View attachment 61068

When you want to have a TRUTHFULL discussion instead of a propaganda war where you and I actually discuss what really happened between Russia and Ukraine then I'm going to participate.

Because there's no benefit to tossing propaganda back and forth. I'm on the human side. Meaning that Russia was wrong as well as Ukraine was wrong. Russia did do more to start the war than Ukraine with the settlements and strong arming their resources and voices away from the Ukrainian people.
But Ukraine reacted poorly due to poor leadership. Then Zelinski did a massive over reaction. And that's where we currently find ourselves.

Peace deals made where Russia gains is most likely not going to be stable. The mines in the East are where the bulk of Ukraine's monetary resources exist....it's destabilizing the entire nation for Ukraine to lose those. Those mines fund the bulk of their government.

At this point if Russia gains its a purrhic victory. There is nothing but rubble and ruins in the east. Lots of dead bodies. The family generational homes and farms are unusable there as well.

 

[JohnDB]

MSN

(Bloomberg) -- Elon Musk told US Republican senators “there is no way in hell” that Russian President Vladimir Putin could lose the war on Ukraine, weighing in on a conflict that has been affected by Musk’s own Starlink satellite services.

Musk, the billionaire chief executive officer of Tesla Inc., made the comments in a forum Monday on X Spaces, part of his X social media platform. The discussions included opponents of a Senate bill that would provide further assistance for Ukraine to continue battling the full-scale Russian invasion that began two years ago.

He was joined by Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, JD Vance of Ohio and Mike Lee of Utah, as well as Vivek Ramaswamy, a former Republican presidential candidate, and David Sacks, a co-founder of Craft Ventures LLC.

Musk’s comments came as he agreed with Johnson’s statement that Putin would not lose in Ukraine. Johnson said those who expect a Ukraine victory were “living in a fantasy world.”

“We gotta kill this thing,” Vance said of the $95 billion measure, which includes $60 billion in assistance for Ukraine as well as funding for Israel, Taiwan, and humanitarian aid for Gaza.

Musk added he hoped Americans would contact their elected representatives about the Ukraine bill. “This spending does not help Ukraine. Prolonging the war does not help Ukraine.”

Musk has expressed similar sentiments before on X, doubting Ukraine’s ability to win the war and mocking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s requests for aid. The tech mogul has come under criticism from Ukraine and Democratic members of Congress.

Not really,

Victory in an asymmetric war doesn't look V Day from WW2.

It will look like Russia abandoning the nation much like they did in Afghanistan in the 90's. Leaving only warlord farms and no infrastructure.

So....
Where there's a train load of propaganda over two miles long....there's the truth.

Russia is out of soldiers and trucks/heavy equipment....you can tell by the nuclear war threats they keep making which are worthless. Their nukes are duds at the moment. The Ukrainian power plants are where Russia made the tritium and deuterium that have shorter half lives than plutonium/uranium.

Russia is in a precarious position where they can't afford to stop fighting but also can't afford to keep fighting either.

 

[shepherdsword]

Hilarious. The devil sends his agents by to make that claim sometimes and it's always a good laugh.

It's always funny when those engaged in supporting what the Lord call abomination accuse others of not knowing the Lord.

Hi there kettle, meet black! View attachment 61920

He's right in a certain sense. What good is it to win the argument at the cost of grieving the Holy Spirit? A little humility goes a long way in the kingdom. I think we often make the error of depersonalizing the ones we respond to with flippant insults. We don't view them as real people. However, they are real to God. Humble pie has a bitter taste but it is sweet in the belly when you experience the grace that goes wiht it. Give it a try sometime.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Not really,

Victory in an asymmetric war doesn't look V Day from WW2.

It will look like Russia abandoning the nation much like they did in Afghanistan in the 90's. Leaving only warlord farms and no infrastructure.

So....
Where there's a train load of propaganda over two miles long....there's the truth.

Russia is out of soldiers and trucks/heavy equipment....you can tell by the nuclear war threats they keep making which are worthless. Their nukes are duds at the moment. The Ukrainian power plants are where Russia made the tritium and deuterium that have shorter half lives than plutonium/uranium.

Russia is in a precarious position where they can't afford to stop fighting but also can't afford to keep fighting either.

Remember Russia ran out of weapons long ago, remember the MSM was peddling all that total full on childish idiot crap full on propaganda and still is being total childish fools about it all !

The West is a Joke ! run by backward total idiots and fools in fact ! because of Socialist garbage peddled, only a childish deluded mentality would follow along with such full on nonsense !

Oh They peddle that Russia is no threat to the West in fact ! Why do they peddle such total stupid moronic garbage like that ? well it's only a front so as to carry on with their moronic War in fact ! Because if the World only knew the truth, they would stop pushing for War against Russia in fact !

Russia will come to the point of using a Nuclear Wepon you total Satanic morons !
For your lot keep on upping the anti in fact !
Thinking you are going to Win ! but You will not Win !
Your lot will only get people killed in fact !
Your lot clearly do not give a rats for anyone being killed in fact ! and when the Nuclear Bomb hits a major City ! It's your lot who pushed like Hell full on, only to of brought it all on in fact ! but you do not care less do you !

Wake up ! remember You Satanist, others have a right to live as well. why do you think that you have a right over bringing on such threats on everyone.

Creating a War over the Boarder of Russia and Ukraine is totaly stupid ! and moronic in fact !

How about all them people from the Ukraine Boarder if only they had the rights to Vote ! Your War would never of got off the ground in fact ! see that prove that I am wrong !
A unelected Body claimed that them people of Ukraine had no right to Vote in fact ! and they the EU and UN and NATO are all criminal bastards in fact ! for they created this War with the help of Satanic Joe Biden in fact !

They do not talk openly about this War in fact, for if it was openly debated They would easy be exposed as the creator and pusher for War, that's nothing but Killing people and destruction. not only that but costing everyone in the world a stupid price to pay, it's caused nothing but hardship on the worlds people as well !

Russia will never let it go in fact, because Russia has every right to do so in fact !

Your Mob are not going to be able to steal their number one Military Base from Russia in fact !
Not to mention why do your Mob do not mention that issue ! why not ? well because your Satanic Socialist Mob has to play the people for uneducated fools into thinking that is not the case !

Your Mob are intent on stealing Russias Number One Military Base ! not to mention turn Ukraine into another idiot bastard fool Nation that sold it's self out to the most criminal intent one could have happen, African and Islamic people will take over from all who were killed in your Satanic War ! The people of Ukraine have been shafted and sold out in fact by criminal intent against the Ukraine People in fact !

Not to mention your Mob love for Nazis is a fact ! for you hide that fact as well from the World !

You only want War in fact ! you are in bed with Nazis and as typical your Mob are typical of Satanist ! you hide the facts and Lie full on ! in the hope to get people killed etc etc it's a fact !

The War should never of happened and if Trump was in power it would never of came about in fact !

Socialist always want War ! they are at war 24/7 that's their nature, they are Tyrants in fact ! They sell everyone out and that's a fact !

They sell Jesus out ! That's a fact !

They want to dominate over everyone with all of their Devilish intents in fact ! They want to own you all ! and only a whore sells oneself out, why because they are Lost ! an abomination !

 

[JohnDB]

The West is a Joke ! run by backward total idiots and fools in fact ! because of Socialist garbage peddled, only a childish deluded mentality would follow along with such full on nonsense !

Russia doesn't have any viable nuclear missiles...
Nuclear weapons are extremely expensive to maintain. Over $50 billion a year to keep ours up to date and viable. Russia hasn't spent anything on their nuclear arsenal.

Elements like tritium have a half life of 20 years....they went bad at the turn of the century 25 years ago. Not to mention the rocket fuel also ages out and becomes unstable.
Russia got one MRV missile (not a MERV) out, refueled it, and used it on Ukraine but instead of a nuclear payload it just had a conventional warhead. Because their missiles are out of date.

Currently they are using N Korean missiles because they are out of munitions.

The US has trident nuclear missiles with 8 MERV warheads each. 8 precision targets are capable of being hit with a nuclear payload at the same time.

We are looking to re-create new launch vehicles. It's a bit of fiddley engineering to make what they are wanting....stealth technology so that no one will see them coming and no sort of anti-missile defense will stop them.

Rant and rave all you wish. The US is still the biggest dog in the yard.

Russia is just a "has been" and wannabe. Otherwise a little nation like Ukraine would have fallen years ago...but they haven't.
3 day SMO has turned into three years with nothing to show for it except some stolen toilet fixtures and stolen tractors. And a LOT of dead citizens.

The Russian economy is in total chaos and destruction. No different from Ukrainians. Russia can't afford to keep fighting and can't afford to stop either. Wagner Chief showed that a Coup is possible and likely any day. Especially if paychecks or food supplies run short.
Both sides leaders in this conflict have over sized egos. Neither side can stop fighting...neither really wants to continue.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

When you want to have a TRUTHFULL discussion instead of a propaganda war where you and I actually discuss what really happened between Russia and Ukraine then I'm going to participate.

The truth is the west promised to not put nukes in nations that border Russia and they promised not to allow nations that border Russia to become NATO member... back when the Soviet Union broke up. That's fact and is a matter of public record.

Every US President since then has been trying to do exactly what the US and NATO promised they would not do which is the cause of the conflict we are seeing now with Ukraine.

The US did the exact same thing when the Soviets placed nuke in Cuba... we were ready to start WW3 over the issue and were getting geared up to do exactly that if those nukes where not removed when the Soviets finally removed them.

Apparently it's OK for the US to pursue what's in it's best interest but Russia cannot even ion the face of broken promises.

You have obviously been brainwashed as one that supports murdering babies (abortion), sexual perversion (the gay agenda) so it's not wonder that you cannot understand basic common sense as as such nobody in their right mind wants to have a conversation with anyone who's understanding has been darkened by the forces of darkness seeing they are void of understanding.

you can tell by the nuclear war threats they keep making which are worthless.

And if the liberals were in control, this kind of thinking would start WW3

Putin can easily launch not only tactical nukes but also the big nukes that can destroy hundreds of square miles at a time.

We live in a different age where the ability to fight a ground war is becoming meaningless as Russia and China both have nukes they can delivery via super sonic missiles where they could hit all major US cities at the same time and we would not even know they were on the way until it's too late

Thanks to liberal presidents like Obama and Biden, the US is way behind the curve ball now which is how the liberals planned it as they subscribe to globalism and desire to see the US become a third world nation that is unable to defend itself and must bow the knew to the coming one world government.

Simply put, the liberals are servants of satan and are willing participants with the forces of darkness.

What good is it to win the argument at the cost of grieving the Holy Spirit?

I did not grieve the Holy Spirit by warning others of impending doom

God is love and Love desires that all be given opportunity to repent and get right with the Lord.

True humility is submitting what what the Lord has already said in His Word... God and His Word cannot be separated.

Those in opposition to what God says in His Word are servants of satan and should be warned.

Russia doesn't have any viable nuclear missiles...

That's what the servants of satan claim (the liberals and the globalists)

It's hard to believe there are those that are so slow as to believe this lie.

 

[Behold]

 

[amigo de christo]

Ukraine never wins this war.

Unless Nato gets involved and all of Europe ends up in disaster.
Ukraine is a money pit, money that should be spend elsewhere.

I am not a Ukraine hater, but this is the truth.

Nato never should have expanded towards the Russian borders by making former Sovjet States into members.
That's the bottom line of this whole issue.

The west did not live up to the promises made when the iron curtain came down.
Ukraine is a lost case, they should give up before more 1000s get killed.
It's that simple.

a lot of people do not realize this . you ever heard of the WARSAW pact .
BOTH RUSSIA and the west agreed . GUESS WHO BROKE IT and GUESS WHO KEPT breaking it .
Not russia , the west did . And when putin was cornered HE DID exactly what america
had done during the CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS . I DONT support putin . BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH .
AMERICA and NATO DID THE DIRTY DEED .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ukraine never wins this war.

Unless Nato gets involved and all of Europe ends up in disaster.
Ukraine is a money pit, money that should be spend elsewhere.

I am not a Ukraine hater, but this is the truth.

Nato never should have expanded towards the Russian borders by making former Sovjet States into members.
That's the bottom line of this whole issue.

The west did not live up to the promises made when the iron curtain came down.
Ukraine is a lost case, they should give up before more 1000s get killed.
It's that simple.

AMERICA nearly went to war cause RUSSIA wanted to set up arms in cuba .
BUT THEN the hyprocrites continually and contiually broke their own war saw pact
TILL , well till we now got what we got .
You ever remember what james said . WHY there is wars . BECAUSE SOMEONE wants something they dont have .
NATO DID THIS . and they dont care IF millions die . its the people that will always pay the price and they DO NOT CARE .
POWER , GREED and CONTROL . the left leaders and the right leaders in america
THE ELITES OWN THEM . and them elites DO NOT CARE if even billions died . ALL THEY WANT is MORE POWER and MORE CONTROL .
but sadly the churches are also OWNED BY THEM . people got no idea what is going on .
TIME TO TRUST IN GOD , NOT IN MAN . CURSED IS THE MAN , INCLUDES THE NATION , whose hope be in man .
WE about to witness DESTRUCTION and it all came about under the guise of love , of peace and of safety .
THESE ELITES dont give a rip about you , about me , about anyone . THEY PIT and they divide
and they OFFER UP THE FALSE SOLUTION , and yet ITS NOT ABOUT HUMANITY , ITS ALL FOR THEM . WE gonna pay a price
for abandoning GOD and trusting in men . I shall expose it all . do what i can by grace
to get this people back into the bible to learn and far from any kind of trust in man . BUT ITS GONNA COST ME
it already has . most hate me . and its gonna get worse for the sheep . hard times are coming .
BUT , ALL WE CAN DO IS POINT TO GOD and not man . HE IS , HIS CHRIST IS the only HOPE one has .

 

[Triumph1300]

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There they sit......in the headquarters of a false teacher trying to come to an agreement.

In the mean time the pope, (after a short trip in the box of a white Dodge pickup truck}, is finding out there is no purgatory.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Nato never should have expanded towards the Russian borders by making former Sovjet States into members.
That's the bottom line of this whole issue.

That's true, but the baby killing liberal perverts will never agree to it.

 

[amigo de christo]

There they sit......in the head quarters of a false teacher trying to come to an agreement.

In the mean time the pope, after a short trip in the box of a white Dodge pickup truck, is finding out there is no purgatory.

MANY , MANY will FIND OUT , but will find out too late
as they hear depart from me , i never knew you , depart into the lake of fire
created for the devil and his angels .
If the dead could speak , OH THEY HAD SOUNDED JUST LIKE THE RICH man
I AM IN TORMENTS IN THIS PLACE ,
but it will be TOO LATE . THESE LEADERS are DECEVING US ALL . well when i say us all
I MEAN THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEM . as even most of christendom does .
People are gonna all know the truth one day , but THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW IT IN THIS LIFE
it will be TOO LATE . that these popes and these charlatons of nar and tons of others WERE DECEIVING this people
and sadly MANY SURE SEEM TO LOVE to have it so . BUT what will they do in the END THEREOF .
WAIL . that is what they will do .
SEEING I DESIRE NOT their death , THIS SHEEP GOTS TO WARN and WARN HE WILL . no matter the cost to me .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

People seem to forget Jesus IS in favor of peace...

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers

 

[amigo de christo]

People seem to forget Jesus was in favor of peace...

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers

THE PEACE that reconciles MAN TO GOD .by FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
not the world peace of the lie of interfaith which implies all religoins serve the same GOD
and need come together for world peace .
IN Fact when speaking of world peace JESUS had this to say .
DO YOU THINK i came TO BRING PEACE ON EARTH
i tell you NAY but rather DIVISION .
there is the peace of GOD
and there is the peace of anti christ . INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . and warn against it i must for the sakes of all .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

THE PEACE that reconciles MAN TO GOD .by FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
not the world peace of the lie of interfaith which implies all religoins serve the same GOD
and need come together for world peace .
IN Fact when speaking of world peace JESUS had this to say .
DO YOU THINK i came TO BRING PEACE ON EARTH
i tell you NAY but rather DIVISION .
there is the peace of GOD
and there is the peace of anti christ . INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . and warn against it i must for the sakes of all .

Concerning war.... People seem to forget Jesus IS in favor of peace...

No where in the New Testament does the Lord direct His people to kill others for any reason.

 

[amigo de christo]

Concerning war.... People seem to forget Jesus IS in favor of peace...

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers

Then tell that to GOD himself who used nebb to rage war against his own peoples .
INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST and of ANTI CHRIST it has come .
The devil can make anything seem to be for a good cause . LETS NEVER FORGET THAT my friend .
INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST and by its peace shall destroy many .
Interfaith is of the RCC and vatican though trump and the nar realm DO IT WORKS .
THE LIE has been sent and merge all it will
not in the lambs book of life . ALL WHO LOVED A LIE WILL BE DAMNED .
Interfaith IS of anti christ and its peace , its solution , HAS DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST .
for as i said IT IS OF ANTI CHRIST . its leaders holler, we all serve the same god , WELL they right about that one
but take heed i did not captilize that god . BECAUSE EVEN THOSE who do lip the name of JESUS
and yet even dare to imply there is no need to beleive on HIM , HAS DENIED HIM as it naught but a lipper , a mouth only .
Interfaith IS of anti christ and many now do its work .
Satan is its head and its mother is the harlot and her children are all over the protestant realm too .
Intefaith is of anti christ . and warn against it i must . warn against it i must and remind all
of the dire absolute need to repent and beleive on JESUS the CHRIST . and JESUS aint the minstir of any sin .

 

[Rockerduck]

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God. Matthew 5:9.

 

[amigo de christo]

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God. Matthew 5:9.

The peace of GOD , the gospel of beleive ye in CHRIST JESUS that one may be reconciled TO GOD by FAITH IN HIM .
But just as there is the true peace of GOD
THERE IS the peace of anti christ . INTEFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST and of anti christ has it come .
By its peace it shall destroy many .
OH THERE IS A PEACE OF GOD
but there is also the peace of anti christ . INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST and of anti christ it has come .
And what kind of monster would i be to not warn against it . NO SIR . warn i must .
INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST and leadeth to the LIE
to the love that all believe will be and is of GOD . BUT IT IS the love of the world .
Interfaith is of anti christ and warn against it i must . FOr of anti christ , of satan , of the harlot it has come .
AND Many there be which are entering into and have entered into its covenant of the twice dead .
Interfaith is of anti christ and he whose hope be in man IS CURSED . interfaith COMETH FROM BOTH SIDES
all politicans have sipped from the cup of the WHORE . THE LIE IS BEING EMGRACED
korans kissed and budda statues , and all under the cliam that all religoins serve and are serving the same GOD .
INTERFAITH FINDING COMMON GROUND is of anti christ and of anti christ it has come .
The mystery of inquity has long been at work . AND WE BETTER FLEE any and all who have any part in it .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Then tell that to GOD himself who used nebb to rage war against his own peoples

In John 18:36 Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world and if it was His servants would fight

While war is sometimes necessary, it's not something the Lord is leading His people to be involved with

I'm not talking about interfaith... you apparently think everything is about interfaith.

I'm talking about Jesus saying He is in favor of peace...

Since you seem to be in favor of war... are you armed and ready to fight and kill those who do not believe???

Rather than go out and preach the gospel... are you in favor of going out and killing the unbelievers???

If so, are you sure you aren't a muzlim?