Limited atonement !

[brightfame52]

The Book of Life was written before the foundation of the world; therefore, God foreknew whose names would be written in it.

Revations 13:8 - All who dwell on the earth will worship him (the dragon), whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He foreknew them because He put them in the Book

 

[Runningman]

Mark 9:23 - Jesus said to him, “If" you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”

Yes, but Jesus' power is conditional on belief. So it's still possible a sheep can be lost and never recovered due to a lack of belief (apostasy)

Matthew 13
58And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief.

 

[Runningman]

Aint no if as in there is a possibility He wont find it, that's blasphemous to even to suggest. Do you think God didn't know where Adam was when He asked him Gen 3:9

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

You accuse Jesus of blasphemy because his teachings are not compatible with your religion?

 

[Runningman]

Limited atonement cant be proven to you right now because you are blinded to the truth

No you're blinded to the truth. You couldn't quote a single verse or passage about limited atonement if your life depended on it.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman



Are you sure you not misquoting that verse ? Where does it say "if He finds it ?" Lk 15:4

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Matthew 18
12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

 

[Runningman]

...they do not say, "if he finds it."

It's right here:

Matthew 18
12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

 

[Lizbeth]

Where they saved or ever saved when Jesus said He never knew them ? Yes or no

Many are taking certain things too literally and not understanding they are based on God's foreknowledge, and that though He foreknows all outcomes, He doesn't judge or declare what anyone is until the end, when they have "proven" to be what He foreknew they would be. Bible calls it the proving of our faith, if we indeed are in Him and remain in Him until the end. In the meantime everyone has the opportunity to prove themselves faithful or prove themselves otherwise. Even a false brethren or tare has the opportunity to be changed from what they are, and thankfully some are changed by the grace of God.. And vice versa, some start out well but become false. These are the reasons why Jesus gave us all those warnings, which when heeded, will either help keep us on the right path or get those onto it who aren't. We need to rightly divide the scriptures, by the Holy Spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello @brightframe52

If condemnation came upon ALL men because of Adam, how then can atonement be limited to "some men"?

Romans 5:18
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”

Here is a real simple Truth about predestination .
GOD pre determined That JESUS the CHRIST WOULD BE THE SAVOIR OF THE WORLD
and that all who do beleive would not perish but have everlasting life .
All who deny HIM will be denied .
For GOD chose by PREACHING to save those WHO DO BELEIVE . that is very simple .
And its the TRUTH that must be sounded out .
TO the trenches one and to the trenches all .

 

[amigo de christo]

Many are taking certain things too literally and not understanding they are based on God's foreknowledge, and that though He foreknows all outcomes, He doesn't judge or declare what anyone is until the end, when they have "proven" to be what He foreknew they would be. Bible calls it the proving of our faith, if we indeed are in Him and remain in Him until the end. In the meantime everyone has the opportunity to prove themselves faithful or prove themselves otherwise. Even a false brethren or tare has the opportunity to be changed from what they are, and thankfully some are changed by the grace of God.. And vice versa, some start out well but become false. These are the reasons why Jesus gave us all those warnings, which when heeded, will either help keep us on the right path or get those onto it who aren't. We need to rightly divide the scriptures, by the Holy Spirit.

For it pleased the FATHER by preaching to SAVE Those WHO DO beleive .
NOW paul wrote that .
Yes indeed dear sister .
This brother has summed it up real easy for all to see .
WHAT GOD pre determined was
THAT JESUS WOULD BE THE SAVOIR of THE WORLD
and that all who do beleive in HIM would not PERISH but have everlasting life .
Those who reject HIM , WILL DIE IN THEIR SINS . for if one beleives NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST
oh they gonna DIE IN THEIR SINS . JUST like JESUS said they would . CONDEMNED , just like JESUS said they would .

 

[Ritajanice]

Here is a real simple Truth about predestination .
GOD pre determined That JESUS the CHRIST WOULD BE THE SAVOIR OF THE WORLD
and that all who do beleive would not perish but have everlasting life .
All who deny HIM will be denied .
For GOD chose by PREACHING to save those WHO DO BELEIVE . that is very simple .
And its the TRUTH that must be sounded out .
TO the trenches one and to the trenches all .

It seems that God comes to some very differently...I don’t understand those who deny him, as in an instance my spirit became Born Again of imperishable seed.

So, my friend, what your saying is, God reveals himself to everyone, then it’s up to them to believe that they heard him or not..is that correct?

When my spirit became Born Again, then there was no way on earth that I could deny Jesus, because the Father had given me to him. @amigo de christo ...my spirit knows that it belongs to Jesus, there can be no denying that.

 

[amigo de christo]

To the trenches one and all . The one true gospel is under attack in favor of a false one that will save none but damn all
who beleived the lie .
The born again SHEEP of HIS PASTURE will preach NO OTHER GOSPEL and offer unto the world NO OTHER HOPE
no other name whereby one may be saved . Cause to do so results only in the second death .
The dead cannot save themselves
And will end in the second death . BUT JESUS CAN SAVE . thus i suggest and suggest HIGHLY we all get back
to preaching that NAME and fast . With the reminder , of course , that JESUS IS NOT the minstir of anyones sin .

 

[TLHKAJ]

Hello @brightframe52

If condemnation came upon ALL men because of Adam, how then can atonement be limited to "some men"?

Romans 5:18
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”

Amen, sister. Also, Jesus' own words....

John 12:32, 33
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

John 3:14-17
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

It seems that God comes to some very differently...I don’t understand those who deny him, as in an instance my spirit became Born Again of imperishable seed.

So, my friend, what your saying is, God reveals himself to everyone, then it’s up to them to believe that they heard him or not..is that correct?

I cannot teach what i do not fully know . BUT REMEMBER JESUS did say
that the end would not come TILL the TRUTH of that gospel had been preached to all nations .
SO it does sound like they had the chance to hear it .
What man does sister is on man .
What i DO KNOW IS
anyone who follows anti christ and beleives that lie
WILL SURELY BE DAMNED . that lie is the idea one does not have TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
so we had better watch out because many try and play BOTH SIDES
of the street . OH they cliam they BELIEVE but then turn around and act like its not necessary to BELEIVE .
AS IN INTERFAITH LIE . THOSE WILL RECIEVE GREATER DAMANATION
FOR THEY USED HIS NAME TO PROCLAIM THE LIE .

 

[Ritajanice]

anyone who follows anti christ and beleives that lie
WILL SURELY BE DAMNED . that lie is the idea one does not have TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .

Tis true...Amen!

All I can say is, thank God that we know and follow Jesus...and pray for those who don’t.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 10​

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King James Version​

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10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
42 And many believed on him there.

 

[amigo de christo]

Tis true...Amen!

All I can say is, thank God that we know and follow Jesus...and pray for those who don’t.

to HE we owe ALL sister . Thus in all that we do and say let it HONOR HE who has saved us and is able to keep us from falling .
I also advise all to with a renewed sense of hope to enjoy the scripture reading again .
Be in prayer . be diligent . These days be the days of great delusion
and persecutions against the true sheep will increase . BUT always REMEMBER
the LORD was always with paul and others and throughout all generatoins since
HE has been with HIS SHEEP no matter what comes against us .
TO THE LORD we owe EVERYTHING . To the peoples we owe THE TRUTH , THE ONLY TRUTH
that can save them . To the church we owe TRUTH . no lie is of GOD
and no matter how loving any lie might sound , ITS A MASSIVE DISHONOR TO GOD
and it will lead only to destruction and wont help one soul who bought it .
Now i do pray for this people and a ton of even christendom .
Cause a lot of mouths that cliam HIS NAME , SERIOUSLY OWE HIM a massive apology for the lies they have told IN HIS name .
That my sister is very deadly for those who USE HIS NAME and yet DO NAUGHT but TROD THE TESTIMONY
of the FATHER right under foot and even allow and accept and even praise certain sins . THEY better repent ASAP fast .

 

[amigo de christo]

John 10​

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King James Version​

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10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
42 And many believed on him there.

Read that first line again . THE same is what . A THIEF and a ROBBER .
NOW we know WHO is behind this many mulit path to GOD NONSENSE . THE THEIF AND THE ROBBER IS .
FOR HE cometh to steal to kill and to destroy .
This interfaith lie apparently CALLS JESUS A LIAR as it sure seems to have made a way for all religoins to GOD . its a lie sister .
ITS a darn lie that many seem to falling in love with .
SO allow me a parting word . ALL who made and loved a LIE shall have their part in the lake of fire .
SATAN wants ALL DEAD so he is gonna lie . THE SHEEP wont heed his voice
WE GONNA procliam JESUS THE CHRIST , HIS WORDS . FOR JESUS has the sheep sister . JESUS has the sheep
and greater IS HE that is within the sheep than He that is in the world .

 

[Ritajanice]

Read that first line again . THE same is what . A THIEF and a ROBBER .
NOW we know WHO is behind this many mulit path to GOD NONSENSE . THE THEIF AND THE ROBBER IS .
FOR HE cometh to steal to kill and to destroy .
This interfaith lie apparently CALLS JESUS A LIAR as it sure seems to have made a way for all religoins to GOD . its a lie sister .
ITS a darn lie that many seem to falling in love with .
SO allow me a parting word . ALL who made and loved a LIE shall have their part in the lake of fire .
SATAN wants ALL DEAD so he is gonna lie . THE SHEEP wont heed his voice
WE GONNA procliam JESUS THE CHRIST , HIS WORDS . FOR JESUS has the sheep sister . JESUS has the sheep
and greater IS HE that is within the sheep than He that is in the world .

Yes, they are the false prophets, we know that...and we don’t listen to their voice because we recognise them...they are the voice of a stranger, to which we flee from...

Unfortunately there are some here who tell me how to be Born Again...Praise God that I don’t listen to a word that they say..I only listen to the testimony of the Living God who reveals his truth to my heart..in Jesus Name...Amen!

 

[brightfame52]

You accuse Jesus of blasphemy because his teachings are not compatible with your religion?

Friend you dont believe in Jesus of scripture, you deceived

 

[brightfame52]

Matthew 18
12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Okay so you feel from that verse God may not find one of His Lost Sheep ? Thats a very low view of God friend, a blasphemous disrespectful view !