Limited atonement is a false gospel

[shepherdsword]

It's not possible to respond to every comment and question....you make so many remarks, and misconstrue things so often, I just can't answer or sort out every item. There are things you are seeming to take too literally. I will just end by saying and acknowledging that God does all the work in giving birth to a soul, but we are the ones who allow or disallow Him to. Scripture is clear that people can harden their hearts, or they can be willfully blind when it suits them, and they can resist the Spirit....and it is on them if they do. That's my last comment to you on the subject, I won't belabour it with you any further.

Exactly, she attempts to put people on the defensive when they challenge her by asking them some hyper-spiritual goobly gook of a question. When you answer her, she will turn right around and claim you didn't. She attempts victory by totally exasperating an opponent with frustration and denial. It's madness,...lol

 

[Lambano]

The title of this thread is "Limited atonement is a false gospel". Does the Gospel even matter?

 

[Ritajanice]

Exactly, she attempts to put people on the defensive when they challenge

You do the same..get very defensive when I ask questions of you....pot kettle black I would say.

her by asking them some hyper-spiritual goobly gook of a question

I guess this scripture according to you must be hyper spiritual goobly gook.....he says that the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God.

We were taken out of the world..we are in the world, but we are no longer of the world...so am I right in saying that you have no understanding of the Spiritual realm?....or even, how would we know that we are in Gods Spiritual realm...I can’t see that being a hyper spiritual goobly gook question....it would be though, to those who are still in the “ natural “ man.

1 Corinthians 2:13-15​

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13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

. When you answer her, she will turn right around and claim you didn't. She attempts victory by totally exasperating an opponent with frustration and denial.

All according to you...I ask Spirit questions, that imo is what exasperates and frustrates you, because you have no spiritual understanding of what I’m talking about....only you can’t admit it....instead you just keep doing the same thing.post scripture with no exegesis....

It's madness,...lol

All according to you...yes....when you can show me my error...I suggest that you stop throwing your accusations around of me..

If you don’t understand spiritual questions, or being in Gods Spiritual realm, then try and admit to it...rather than throw accusations around...like the accusation that you posted below....a Born Again has been birthed by Gods Living testimony...that to is “ Spiritual “ seems that you have no understanding of what that means “ in your spirit “ as of yet you have been unable to fully explain to me what it means....you just post scripture with no exegesis....by the way I like serious discussion in the Spirit....
I became Born Again with NOT a Bible in sight...
Hyper - spiritual goodly gook of a question...I take it that you weren’t try to get a reaction from that comment..lol.

What does God say about persecution.....I love it...for his sake/ truth.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you

 

[shepherdsword]

You do the same..get very defensive when I ask questions of you....pot kettle black I would say.

1 Corinthians 2:13-15​

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13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

All according to you...I ask Spirit questions, that imo is what exasperates and frustrates you, because you have no spiritual understanding of what I’m talking about....only you can’t admit it....instead you just keep doing the same thing.post scripture with no exegesis....

Stop pretending you are some super spiritual guru with wisdom from above, you might actually learn something. The scriptures stand on their own. On the one hand you claim that you don't need "man" to explain the scriptures because you have the spirit. On the other when a man presents them without exegesis you demand an explanation. You are in a paradox of confusion

All according to you...yes....when you can show me my error...I suggest that you stop throwing your accusations around of me..

If you don’t understand spiritual questions, or being in Gods Spiritual realm, then try and admit to it...rather than throw accusations around...like the accusation that you posted below....a Born Again has been birthed by Gods Living testimony...that to is “ Spiritual “ seems that you have no understanding of what that means “ in your spirit “ as of yet you have been unable to fully explain to me what it means....you just post scripture with no exegesis....by the way I like serious discussion in the Spirit....
I became Born Again with NOT a Bible in sight...
Hyper - spiritual goodly gook of a question...I take it that you weren’t try to get a reaction from that comment..lol.

There is no substance in what you say. I am sure you have some kind of emotional touchy feely kind of religion that you think is spiritual but it is all rooted in the soul. You have not experienced the Hebrews 4:12 merimos circumcision so every thing is mixed up together in some soul/spirit combination that confuses you as well as others.

What does God say about persecution.....I love it...for his sake/ truth.

Don't even pretend you are being persecuted. You are being corrected but in your spiritual pride you refuse to accept it.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you

No one is challenging you because of the Lord...you are being challenged because you are deceived. Throwing rocks at someone and then defining their reaction as persecution is a self induced delusion of grandeur.
Blessings

 

[Ritajanice]

Stop pretending you are some super spiritual guru with wisdom from above

Show me where I am pretending in what I say?..many thanks...instead of voicing your opinion..show me my “ pretending “ that you speak of.

What am I pretending...?...guru with wisdom from above..isn’t biblical?

, you might actually learn something.

A Born Again should have wisdom from above..if their Spirit is Born Again..why would they not?

Do you know the first sign of wisdom for a Born Again?

Try not to look it up...your heart / spirit should know the answer to that question straight away.if it’s Born Again.."here it is..

"The fear of the Lordis the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight

Knowledge of the Holy One..can only come from being Born Of The Spirit..

The scriptures stand on their own. On the one hand you claim that you don't need "man" to explain the scriptures because you have the spirit. On the other when a man presents them without exegesis you demand an explanation. You are in a paradox of confusion

I don’t demand anything..if you are spiritual..you should be able to understand spiritual questions...as we are spirit children are we not?

Plus why must our spirit be Born Again...whose wisdom do we learn....Gods wisdom?

How can we communicate with God...if our spirit isn’t Born Again?

There is no substance in what you say. I am sure you have some kind of emotional touchy feely kind of religion that you think is spiritual but it is all rooted in the soul. You have not experienced the Hebrews 4:12 merimos circumcision so every thing is mixed up together in some soul/spirit combination that confuses you as well as others.

There is no substance in what I say according to you..with no scripture to back up your accusations.?

Don't even pretend you are being persecuted. You are being corrected but in your spiritual pride you refuse to accept it.

I can only be corrected by the Living Spirit...now please show me where “ you” can correct me....

No one is challenging you because of the Lord...you are being challenged because you are deceived

Then please show me how you know that I am being deceived....did the Holy Spirit give you that authority to tell me that I am deceived?

How do you know that it isn’t “you” that has been deceived...?

Again..you base all that you think that you know about my spiritual journey with God...on “your” “ own” opinions of me....which clearly counts for nothing...as your opinions come from you...which my ears are closed to.

. Throwing rocks at someone and then defining their reaction as persecution is a self induced delusion of grandeur.
Blessings

Once again trying to twist my character...with not an ounce of scripture to back up your empty claims...just a barrage of abuse...

Then show me where I am deceived?

Instead of posting your own opinions of me?

 

[shepherdsword]

I can only be corrected by the Living Spirit...now please show me where “ you” can correct me....

Here is your entire problem summed up in one statement. You receive correction from nothing but what you THINK is the spirit,,,but in reality it's your talking soulish heart. Someone truly spiritual would have the humility to accept correction no matter what the source. They wouldn't combat it with something rooted in a Jezebel spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Here is your entire problem summed up in one statement

Exactly..evasion of spiritual questions..every single one.not understood and not answered...

The word says.

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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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[shepherdsword]

Exactly..evasion of spiritual questions..every single one.not understood and not answered...

The word says.

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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You have nothing from the spirit of God. All of your nonsense is coming from your soul and you don't have the maturity ,knowledge or the humility to know the difference.

 

[Ritajanice]

You have nothing from the spirit of God. All of your nonsense is coming from your soul and you don't have the maturity ,knowledge or the humility to know the difference.

Once again your opinion of me..which is getting more personal by the minute..lol.you are very good at throwing out your own personal remarks.that I can see.only my ears are closed to your “ personal remarks/ opinions “

And once again this must be hyper spiritual goobly gook according to you...oh yeah of little spiritual understanding...sigh. All in my opinion of course..

I suggest that you seek the heart of God for there is where you will find him....the heart of God is very much Alive and he ain’t no Bible...the Bible confirms my words above..

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7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ

 

[shepherdsword]

Once again your opinion of me..which is getting more personal by the minute..lol.

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7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ

Care to offer some exegesis on those scriptures? You complain when someone else posts scriptures without it. I mean you jerked them totally out of context. This shows me you don't have a clue what they mean. Don't pretend you have some deep understanding of the mysteries or that you are presenting anything of substance concerning them.

 

[Ritajanice]

Care to offer some exegesis on those scriptures?

Of course see below...now your turn @shepherdsword ?...

You complain when someone else posts scriptures without it. I mean you jerked them totally out of context

So show me what I have “ jerked” totally out of context?

Instead of the same old accusations that you repeatedly “ regurgitate “?

. This shows me you don't have a clue what they mean. Don't pretend you have some deep understanding of the mysteries or that you are presenting anything of substance concerning them.

If you are Born Again..that scripture should be speaking to your spirit?..it can only speak to our spirit if it’s Born Again.

But God has revealed them unto us by his Spirit....when our spirit became Born Again...how else can God reveal his Living Spirit to us?..if not by His Living testimony?

How does the Holy Spirit communicate with us?...via His Living Holy Spirit?..

We were ordained to become Born Again before the foundation of the world..

Who enters into our heart when it becomes Born Again...Gods Living seed or the Bible?

Who teacheth us the mysteries of God..the Living Spirit Of course...because our spirit is in the Spirit Of Christ?..we are spirit children are we not?

Who brings our spirit Alive in Christ..the Living Spirit Of course...who regenerated our spirit?

How would we know that God loved us first...by His Living testimony that’s how..Gods Spirit is Love..you should have received that “ mind Blowing “ Love Of God..when your spirit became Born Again...how can we not love God back..when he poured out his love into our hearts..when our heart/ spirit became Born Again/ regenerated?...do your ears hear?

We have the mind of Christ because our spirit is Born Again..we have received a new heart and spirit within..we are also partakers Of his divine nature...are we not?

We have received the Spirit Of God..how would I know this...by Gods Living testimony that’s how...when His Living Spirit gave birth to my spirit.....now you show me the nonsense that I speak of above...instead of your empty petty claims.
Hope that’s enough exegesis for you, lol...or maybe to much hyper spiritual goobly gook for you to understand,lol.

Now let’s hear your exegesis of that scripture @shepherdsword ?

I love a good discussion all about the Living God..that according to you is hyper spiritual goobly gook....I’m not into all this petty talk...as it’s of self and not of the Spirit Of God..I hope you understand that in your “ spirit “.

The Spirit Of God indwells our spirit and has taken up permanent residence in our spirit..the moment “ Spirit gives birth to spirit.....we are in Gods Living spiritual realm on earth...and no..that is not super spiritual hyper goobly gook...as the word of God confirms that his children are in the spiritual realm...in the world not of the world...Praise God.

 

[shepherdsword]

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7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Above Paul is making a reference to the mystery of redemption through the crucifixion of Christ. How he would become victorious through what looked like certain defeat. The plan was hidden because if the powers of darkness knew the plan they would not have crucified him.



9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

This is reference to the unknown and hidden joys of heaven and God's presence. God gives us a taste of things to come with His Spirit.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

We experience peace, love and joy in the Spirit when we fellowship with him and sense His presence

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.

We don't need the carnal knowledge of the natural man because it was by eating from the tree of knowledge that man fell. His carnal knowledge is rooted in that true. We who are born again(if you are born again) eat from the tree of life and we receive not carnal knowledge but spiritual revelation. It doesn't mean we don't accept correction, direction or teaching from one another because the one correcting us may be doing so by the Spirit of God

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ
He that is spiritual is the Lord himself and if we are in communion with him we have his mind in every situation. A spiritual person can commune with jesus and by by His wisdom, judge every situation

Your "exegeses" didn't even touch on the text. You just used it to feed your preconceived ideas. You are in dire need of instruction because you have not yet reached the place of truly hearing from God. Being "born again" is just the beginning. If you don't mature you stay a babe and never come to fullness

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Corinthians 2:7-16​

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7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Above Paul is making a reference to the mystery of redemption through the crucifixion of Christ. How he would become victorious through what looked like certain defeat. The plan was hidden because if the powers of darkness knew the plan they would not have crucified him.

It’s because of the the death and resurrection of Jesus..that our spirit can become Born Again..for without the Living Spiritual rebirth...there is no way back to our Spirit Father God.

When do you think we are reconciled back to God...on earth or in heaven?

Do you believe that our spirit is reconciled back to God on earth?..when Spirit gives birth to spirit.....

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

This is reference to the unknown and hidden joys of heaven and God's presence. God gives us a taste of things to come with His Spirit.

So, you are talking about the joys in heaven?

So this all happens in heaven does it?

Are you saying that there is no joy in a believer when their spirit becomes Born Again?

Or do you only believe that we become Born Again in heaven?...I’m having problems understanding most of your posts...sorry...

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27 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.
4 One thing have I desired of the Lord, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the Lord, and to enquire in his temple.
5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
6 And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the Lord.
7 Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.
8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek.
9 Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.
10 When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.
11 Teach me thy way, O Lord, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
12 Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.
13 I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
14 Wait on the Lord: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the Lord.

What does joy in the Spirit mean...do you have joy in your heart...knowing God in your spirit/ heart?

Psalm 30:11 - You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; you have loosed my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness, Psalm 149:3 - Let them praise his name with dancing, making melody to him with tambourine and lyre! Psalm 150:4 - Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe!

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

We experience peace, love and joy in the Spirit when we fellowship with him and sense His presence

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.

We don't need the carnal knowledge of the natural man because it was by eating from the tree of knowledge that man fell. His carnal knowledge is rooted in that true. We who are born again(if you are born again) eat from the tree of life and we receive not carnal knowledge but spiritual revelation

So you eat from the tree of life...if you eat from the tree of life who is the life giving Spirit who feeds us his truth in Spirit?

Jesus is the tree of life...his Spirit brought our spirit from death into his life.so if we eat from the tree of Spiritual life..then our spirit must be Born Again...otherwise you are eating from the tree of “ your own understanding “.

. It doesn't mean we don't accept correction, direction or teaching from one another because the one correcting us may be doing so by the Spirit of God

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ
He that is spiritual is the Lord himself and if we are in communion with him we have his mind in every situation. A spiritual person can commune with jesus and by by His wisdom, judge every situation

You have just posted your own exegesis on that scripture..so..I put to you....who are you to tell me what you have posted below..by whose authority are you under to say such things?.....your regurgitated nonsense of self is becoming rather boring to say the least...never any scripture to back up your claims.....plus you say that if we don’t mature in Christ I stay a new babe.

Please enlighten me on what maturity in Christ means to you...from what you post of your demeaning posts...are extremely immature...would Christ speak to us that way?

So, let’s hear your exegesis on what it means to mature in the Spirit?

Here is mine.

Being mature in Christ is being conformed to His image, and therefore it is walking as He walked. God's covenant with Abraham came to fuller expression in the days of Moses.

We grow in spiritual knowledge because our spirit is Born Again....you should be bearing the fruit of the Spirit.....who is at work in our spirit, the moment we become Born Again?.....who conforms us into Jesus image...it seems to me that you believe the Bible conforms us into the image of Jesus.....and yet, because I understand differently to you...I must be deceived and tis only you who stands in Gods truth....

I think you believe that biblical knowledge is maturing in Christ..I don’t think you have any knowledge of how we are conformed into the image of Jesus...this may help you.but.i won’t hold my breath..

Only The Living Spirit can open your eyes to see and ears to hear.

God's purpose toward His elect has been revealed in Romans 8:29: “For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.” So, we can see that “mature in Christ" is just another way of saying "conformed to the image of Christ.” .


The Bible can’t conform us into Jesus image....only the Living Spirit who indwells us can do that....I think that is the part of the puzzle that you aren’t understanding ,imo...

Your "exegeses" didn't even touch on the text. You just used it to feed your preconceived ideas. You are in dire need of instruction because you have not yet reached the place of truly hearing from God. Being "born again" is just the beginning.

The beginning of what......please explain that being Born Again is the beginning of what?your exegesis please..

If you don't mature you stay a babe and never come to fullness

According to you, it didn’t even touch to the scripture..I just used it to, feed your preconceived ideas.i am in dire need of instructions because you have not received the place of truly hearing from God..

Being Born Again is just the beginning....if you don’t mature you stay a babe in Christ.

Now you show me once again all that you say of me using scripture?

Do you actually understand who matures us in Christ..the Bible or Gods Living testimony?

 

[Ritajanice]

. If you don't mature you stay a babe and never come to fullness

Fullness of what?

Bible knowledge?

It seems from reading your posts, that you understand the fullness of God very differently to me.
My heart is full to the brim...with the Love Of God....are you aware in your spirit how much God loves you?

Or do you only know it from reading it in scripture?



My heart knows the Love Of God as it’s Born Again....His Love fills me with awe and joy....His Love that I know in my heart...is a Love like no other....none can Love us like God does, his Love is the most powerful Love on the planet.its a “ mind blowing “ Love.........Praise God!

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Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. New Living Translation May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God. English Standard Version and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Berean Standard Bible of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God

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5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another

@shepherdsword said. If you don’t mature you stay a babe and never come to
fullness.

Please explain what your understanding of “ coming to fullness “ means. many thanks. ..

 

[Lizbeth]

Exactly, she attempts to put people on the defensive when they challenge her by asking them some hyper-spiritual goobly gook of a question. When you answer her, she will turn right around and claim you didn't. She attempts victory by totally exasperating an opponent with frustration and denial. It's madness,...lol

God bless you, yes. Seems to be selective hearing for some reason....and the Lord knows why.

I won't attempt to try and explain how it is that the Lord is ruling & reigning just as much in the things He passively allows, both good and bad, as He is when He actively intervenes. Whether He opens a heart or hardens it. His wisdom amazes me and I thank Him for it...otherwise I'd just be a deer in the headlights. Would a holy and righteous God cause or force someone to sin? God forbid, I think not.....when He hardens a heart it means He is allowing someone their free will to harden their own heart and giving them over to it. Like where Jesus said to Pilate that he would have no authority over Him except it be "given" to him from above....that means God allowed it. We need ears that are open to hear for this. Where Jesus said He reveals things to little children and "hides" them from others, it is in a manner of speaking, because their hearts aren't right and they are simply unwilling to hear/receive, and God simply allows them.

 

[Ritajanice]

Selective hearing from both sides plus the cherry picking of the scriptures.and yes....God sure does know why....

Birds of a feather flock together.

I stand on the Living testimony of the Living Spirit, who indwells my spirit....and will continue to do so...in Jesus Name...Amen!

My belief is my belief and I will never deny my Living testimony....no matter how many accusations are thrown my way...petty name calling is no match for my Living God...petty name calling..lacks maturity in Christ....it’s used to try and shut some people up....who aren’t strong in God.....it certainly don’t work on this gal”...Praise my Spirit Father God...my confidence comes from Gods Living testimony...again...Praise God!

If you don’t believe what they believe....then you get the bath water thrown out of the pram....seriously "...the extent that some are willing to go or say, to shut another believer up, who doesn’t believe as they do.....is very entertaining...,LOL....Praise God for the gift of discernment....and Praise God for showing me the mind games that some people play..I'm well accustomed to mind games..I grew up with mind playing .spot them a mile off..LOL.

 

[Lizbeth]

Fullness of what?

Bible knowledge?

It seems from reading your posts, that you understand the fullness of God very differently to me.
My heart is full to the brim...with the Love Of God....are you aware in your spirit how much God loves you?

Or do you only know it from reading it in scripture?



My heart knows the Love Of God as it’s Born Again....His Love fills me with awe and joy....His Love that I know in my heart...is a Love like no other....none can Love us like God does, his Love is the most powerful Love on the planet.its a “ mind blowing “ Love.........Praise God!

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Ephesians 3:19 ►

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Audio Cross Study Comm Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. New Living Translation May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God. English Standard Version and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Berean Standard Bible of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God

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5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another

@shepherdsword said. If you don’t mature you stay a babe and never come to
fullness.

Please explain what your understanding of “ coming to fullness “ means. many thanks. ..

Well then in that case we want to be sure to learn what the bible has to say about that love sister. That it is not rude, that it seeketh not its own, that it suffers long....and that it rejoices in the TRUTH. His word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path..........through the Spirit of course, not a dead letter. The entrance of the word giveth light......we must receive it.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well then in that case we want to be sure to learn what the bible has to say about that love sister.

Before you even come to understand God’s Love....then our spirit must be Born Again...that’s when I received the love of God into my heart....as the scripture that I posted confirms..

That it is not rude, that it seeketh not its own, that it suffers long....and that it rejoices in the TRUTH. His word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path..........through the Spirit of course, not a dead letter. The entrance of the word giveth light......we must receive it.

I have no idea what you are trying to relay here...His Living Testimony is what abides in me...

My entrance into the Love Of God came...when he decided to give birth to my spirit....the Spirit of God is Pure Love..I know that, by Gods s Living testimony....who indwells my spirit.

 

[shepherdsword]

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Please explain what your understanding of “ coming to fullness “ means. many thanks. ..

Eph 4:13-14
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

The fullness that matures us and grows us up from children and prevents deception

Selective hearing from both sides plus the cherry picking of the scriptures.and yes....God sure does know why....

Birds of a feather flock together.

Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses...

I stand on the Living testimony of the Living Spirit, who indwells my spirit....and will continue to do so...in Jesus Name...Amen!

Amen sister, If Jesus is in your heart then the Spirit will bear witness

My belief is my belief and I will never deny my Living testimony....no matter how many accusations are thrown my way...petty name calling is no match for my Living God...petty name calling..lacks maturity in Christ....it’s used to try and shut some people up....who aren’t strong in God.....it certainly don’t work on this gal”...Praise my Spirit Father God...my confidence comes from Gods Living testimony...again...Praise God!

They aren't accusations...they are observations. I apologize for any offense. I can see that strong correction isn't the way to handle you.

If you don’t believe what they believe....then you get the bath water thrown out of the pram....seriously "...the extent that some are willing to go or say, to shut another believer up, who doesn’t believe as they do.....is very entertaining...,LOL....Praise God for the gift of discernment....and Praise God for showing me the mind games that some people play..I'm well accustomed to mind games..I grew up with mind playing .spot them a mile off..LOL.

I hope your testimony leads others to Jesus. It would be hard for me to hear from you because you seem to have a great deal of spiritual pride. No offense or attack, it's a simple observation. How old are you by the way? I am 62 and have been around the block a few times. I was hard to correct in my youth as well. Once again, I apologize for any offense. I can see that we can't be friends but at least I can extend the courtesy and respect that a sister in the Lord deserves. I will just leave it at "we agree to disagree"


Blessings

 

[Ritajanice]

Eph 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Which we certainly haven’t reached.

Here is another of your many errors. You assume that one has only knowledge if they disagree with you. and yes, I am aware of how much God loves me.

All according to you...I don’t get up in arms when you throw your bath water out of the pram...and NO...no errors from me...that the Spirit has pointed out to me....maybe you need to go over your own errors..or knowing you.....you couldn’t possibly have any.

If I’m in error..than only God can point out my error..so far he hasn’t...no doubt according to you and Lizbeth...my ears must be closed LOL.

Eph 4:13-14
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

I’m not tossed back forth with the wind of doctrine...I’m led by the Living testimony...doctrines don’t lead me..you should know that by now...my spirit is Born Again I am in Gods spiritual realm...in the world not of the world....in the will of my Father God..walking in his will for my life.

The fullness that matures us and grows us up from children

We mature and grow up in the Living Spirit..not doctrine.

Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses...

Amen sister, If Jesus is in your heart the the Spirit will bear witness

They aren't accusations...they are observations. I apologize for any offense. I can see that strong correction isn't the way to handle you.

Your strong correction that you call it...I can assure is wasted on me...I know my Fathers voice and I will not listen to the voice of a stranger..Praise God.

I hope your testimony leads others to Jesus. It would be hard for me to hear from you because you seem to have a great deal of spiritual pride

And you don’t have an enormous amount of pride and a huge ego..of course none of that shows on your posts,LOL.

. No offense or attack, it's a simple observation. How old are you by the way? I am 62 and have been around the block a few times. I was hard to correct in my youth as well. Once again, I apologize for any offense. I can see that we can't be friends but at least I can extend the courtesy and respect that a sister in the Lord deserves. I will just leave it at "we agree to disagree"


Blessings

Praise God..that we both agree to disagree...I was a little mouse for many many years...wouldn’t say boo to a goose..no further comment..