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Matthias

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Why are you not nicean? Do you prefer chalcedon, or athanasius?

The church began as - but didn’t remain - a sect of Judaism. I’m not Nicene because the earliest Christians weren’t. I prefer undeveloped, primitive, Christianity.
 
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So that's what a Christian is and that's how you tell they talk about Jesus and God all the time.Sorry that is not how you tell .A true Christian will bear fruit for God not just talk about it.A evil person can quote and speak the bible as well as a true believer there are many wolves in sheep's clothing.

Other people are not the enemy they are in the same position and because a person has found God it does not mean they can look down on everyone else as garbage who does not believe is that what Christ told you to do?Were you told to hate and despise everyone who lacks faith.If that is the case how can the faith ever be passed on.Your faith is a gift to be passed on to those who do not believe how do you do that if you hate them. despise them and avoid them.No one asked you to judge them you have been asked to love them.

Why do some Christians have no mercy for those who lack faith when mercy was shown to them.
 
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So that's what a Christian is and that's how you tell they talk about Jesus and God all the time.Sorry that is not how you tell .A true Christian will bear fruit for God not just talk about it.A evil person can quote and speak the bible as well as a true believer there are many wolves in sheep's clothing.

Other people are not the enemy they are in the same position and because a person has found God it does not mean they can look down on everyone else as garbage who does not believe is that what Christ told you to do?Were you told to hate and despise everyone who lacks faith.If that is the case how can the faith ever be passed on.Your faith is a gift to be passed on to those who do not believe how do you do that if you hate them. despise them and avoid them.No one asked you to judge them you have been asked to love them.

Why do some Christians have no mercy for those who lack faith when mercy was shown to them.
Who mentioned hate?
I don't have the time...
 

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The church began as - but didn’t remain - a sect of Judaism. I’m not Nicene because the earliest Christians weren’t. I prefer undeveloped, primitive, Christianity.
tried to msg privately, but can't find the link. Anyway, you come across as quite normal to me, but I've been deceived before, so...
 
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tried to msg privately, but can't find the link. Anyway, you come across as quite normal to me, but I've been deceived before, so...

I’m a good listener. I’ll be around if you’d like to tell me about Jesus and the things of God. You have my ear.

 

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I’m a Jewish monotheist, a primitive Christian; not a Nicene Christian. I invite you to talk to me, and with me, about Jesus and the things of God.
Matt- can you please tell me where are you allowed and not allowed to post on this forum? If understood you correctly, you have been restricted due to not believing in the trinity, is that right? Anything else? I'm just trying to understand where and why they've restricted you. Thanks
 

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Matt- can you please tell me where are you allowed and not allowed to post on this forum?

I’m allowed to post in any forum which isn’t labelled “Christians Only”.

If understood you correctly, you have been restricted due to not believing in the trinity, is that right?

No. There are quite a number of members here who are registered “Christian” who don’t believe in the Trinity. They don’t have any restrictions placed on them about where they can post.

I initially registered as “Christian” but a few overzealous members objected vehemently to me being allowed to become a member of Christianity Board. In response to their objections, and in an effort to live peacefully with all members, I made a public proposal to the moderating team: I offered to voluntarily change my membership registration from “Christian” to “Other Faith”. They didn’t force me to change my registration and, in fact, went above and beyond to make certain that I understood the limitations I would be operating under if I followed through on my proposal. With their full knowledge, approval and assistance, I made the change almost three years ago.

Anything else? I'm just trying to understand where and why they've restricted you. Thanks

The change in registration has worked out very well for me. The only time I‘ve run into any problem is when the zealots come down here - I call the few forums where I have posting privileges the “shadow land” - looking for me, which they seldom do. The administrators and moderators have always treated me very kindly.

I’m not under any special restriction. I have all of the privileges afforded to me that all members registered “Other Faith” have afforded to them.

There are a few things that I miss out on by not having the ability to post comments, or even reactions, in the “Christians Only” forums (I’m still able to read posts in those forums) but that is a small price to pay.
 

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I’m allowed to post in any forum which isn’t labelled “Christians Only”.
Ok gotcha.
No. There are quite a number of members here who are registered “Christian” who don’t believe in the Trinity. They don’t have any restrictions placed on them about where they can post.
For sure.
I initially registered as “Christian” but a few overzealous members objected vehemently to me being allowed to become a member of Christianity Board. In response to their objections, and in an effort to live peacefully with all members, I made a public proposal to the moderating team: I offered to voluntarily change my membership registration from “Christian” to “Other Faith”. They didn’t force me to change my registration and, in fact, went above and beyond to make certain that I understood the limitations I would be operating under if I followed through on my proposal. With their full knowledge, approval and assistance, I made the change almost three years ago.
Ok yeah, this is where my question still is. What specifically, were these overzealous members in objection to? If you don't mind me asking.. Why did they not consider you as a Christian? As far as I recall, you believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior by His substitutionary death. Right? I mean there are many here who don't even believe that who post everywhere. That's why I'm asking you what they had a problem with you about because I can't imagine.
I mean, I realize that you don't generally call yourself a Christian on here, but since you did register as one at first, it seems you are ok with the title although you prefer Jewish monotheist.
The change in registration has worked out very well for me. The only time I‘ve run into any problem is when the zealots come down here - I call the few forums where I have posting privileges the “shadow land” - looking for me, which they seldom do. The administrators and moderators have always treated me very kindly.
the zealots. haha I'm not sure who I think of as a zealot per say, but there are some very mixed up people on here who think they know everything.
I’m not under any special restriction. I have all of the privileges afforded to me that all members registered “Other Faith” have afforded to them.

There are a few things that I miss out on by not having the ability to post comments, or even reactions, in the “Christians Only” forums (I’m still able to read posts in those forums) but that is a small price to pay.
ok , you're a good sport.

Listen, the other night when I was questioning you, I was annoyed with you because of how I watched the new guy- David, baited and rudely spoken to by jws on a different thread. He was more than patient with them until he realized what they were doing. I was impressed. Next, I see your post ( I did not see the link in your post- it was not there at first idk why) going by his 1st reply- it seems he also missed it. He answered you similarly to the way I did- generically. My reply there was not about the trin and I don't think his was either- it was generic about false teachings of a pastor-
Later when I went back i saw the link there. I realized the thread was more for David not the rest of us and was not a general Q at all.
I saw that as baiting him, and it seemed unlike you to treat someone that way. Remember I am thinking that he didn't see the link either due to his 1st reply. So long story short- I meant no foul to you. I was angry that a new person was, in my eyes, being treated badly by too many here. Hope that made sense.
I'm just trying to understand why you were limited on the forums.
 

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What specifically, were these overzealous members in objection to?

In general, non-trinitarianism. In particular, Jewish monotheism.

Why did they not consider you as a Christian?

In their minds, “Christian” = “Nicene Christianity only”. Anything outside of that, again, in their minds = “non-Christian“.

As far as I recall, you believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior by His substitutionary death. Right?

Yes. That’s right.

I mean, I realize that you don't generally call yourself a Christian on here, but since you did register as one at first, it seems you are ok with the title although you prefer Jewish monotheist.

The earliest followers of Jesus weren’t called Christians. It is because of that that I’m comfortable not insisting on the title for myself. It has come to cover many theologies and Christologies in addition to mine. If it‘s going to aggravate and irritate other members - and it has some - generally dispensing with it (you’ll still find me saying that I’m a primitive Christian from time to time) is a good will gesture that I’m willing to make for the sake of peace.

I’m still grounded in the constraints of history. (That is a major component of my formal theological education.) I’m only able to go so far in order to accommodate them.

They have their place on the Christian timeline.I don’t deny that. (In fact, I insist on it.)

I also have my place on the Christian timeline. Many of them deny that, for a variety of reasons. I use the scriptures, trinitarian scholarship and church history to educate.