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[CMNYC]

How did you derive that Elihu is "utterly wicked"???

Great question. This conclusion is based on the things Elihu says and the context in which he says them. I know he is a beloved character by some who read this story, but there are serious problems with him.

Elihu operates essentially as a prosecutor and a persecutor to Job. For starters, look at what Elihu says in Job 34:36 "Would that Job were tried to the end, because he answers like wicked men."

Yet we know God has deemed Job as a blameless man, one who fears God and shuns evil in chapters 1 & 2. Then at the end of the story, we read in 42:7,8 that God declares that Job has spoken rightly of Him. So Elihu is wrong about his assessment of Job answering like a wicked man. Elihu's claim is false.

More dramatically, Elihu is wishing punishment on Job. He wants Job to be "tried to the end"? He's calling for Job's torture. This is sadistic.
Some consider Elihu some kind of holy counselor, but what kind of counselor who is burning with anger (as it says 4 times in chapter 32) and who wishes torture on someone would be any kind of help?

There are many points to make in answer to your question, but I'll stop here for now.

 

[CMNYC]

From a seriously twisted teaching or mindset my friend .
Elihu actually brought true words to Job . People are drawing odd conclusions as you know my friend .

In Job 34:37 Elihu says, "For he addeth rebellion unto his sin, he clappeth his hands among us, and multiplieth his words against God."

Can you tell us what "sin" Elihu is referring to that Job is supposedly adding rebellion to?

 

[CMNYC]

Then it sure is rather ODD that GOD himself also rebukes JOB for the same thing ELIHU did .
Its his other friends that had accused him . Not elihu .
God speaks the same meaning to JOB as elihu had also done .
Job was in an error . IF NOT why DID GOD HIMSELF also rebuke job for the same thing elihu had done .
JOB then seen his error and repented . his firends however could not see theirs and had not repented
As Its clearly made known when THEY too are told to GO to job and he will perform sacfrices for them too .
We need to really just love and read the bible for ourselves rather than drawing quick and short conclusions .
IF one reads this they can surely see this . Action . GOD rebuked JOB for the same thing ELIHU had also rebuked him about .
reaction , JOB REPENTS . come now its real simple .

You claim Job has sinned, right? So if he sinned, where is the sacrifice for his sin? God requires a sacrifice for his friends who had clearly sinned, so what about Job? Where does it say Job had to sacrifice for his "sin"?

Hebrews 9:22 "In fact, according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified with blood. For without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness."

So is your belief then that Job "sinned" but he was not forgiven? Is that your position?

Or...would you consider Job did not sin, and read Job 42:7,8 again where God says *twice* that Job has spoken rightly about Him?

 

[David in NJ]

Great question. This conclusion is based on the things Elihu says and the context in which he says them. I know he is a beloved character by some who read this story, but there are serious problems with him.

Elihu operates essentially as a prosecutor and a persecutor to Job. For starters, look at what Elihu says in Job 34:36 "Would that Job were tried to the end, because he answers like wicked men."

Yet we know God has deemed Job as a blameless man, one who fears God and shuns evil in chapters 1 & 2. Then at the end of the story, we read in 42:7,8 that God declares that Job has spoken rightly of Him. So Elihu is wrong about his assessment of Job answering like a wicked man. Elihu's claim is false.

More dramatically, Elihu is wishing punishment on Job. He wants Job to be "tried to the end"? He's calling for Job's torture. This is sadistic.
Some consider Elihu some kind of holy counselor, but what kind of counselor who is burning with anger (as it says 4 times in chapter 32) and who wishes torture on someone would be any kind of help?

There are many points to make in answer to your question, but I'll stop here for now.

Excellent points of emphasis!!!

I will review the words of Elihu.

It could be that satan was speaking thru Elihu as the 'prosecutor' ???

Give me a few days as i am busy and then will get back to you on this.

Thank You

 

[amigo de christo]

You claim Job has sinned, right? So if he sinned, where is the sacrifice for his sin? God requires a sacrifice for his friends who had clearly sinned, so what about Job? Where does it say Job had to sacrifice for his "sin"?

Hebrews 9:22 "In fact, according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified with blood. For without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness."

So is your belief then that Job "sinned" but he was not forgiven? Is that your position?

Or...would you consider Job did not sin, and read Job 42:7,8 again where God says *twice* that Job has spoken rightly about Him?

Job always sacrficed for hiself and his sons and daughters .
pardner there is none without sin . THEY all sacrficed . but not all did so WITH and FROM a repentant heart .
AND BELIEVE YOU ME there sacrfices MEANT naught TO GOD .
HIMS always DESIRED obediance , and without faith IT be IMPOSSIBLE to please HIM .
GOD saw right through the false sacrifices
JUST LIKE HE DO through the false confessions of today
and all the so called hail marys and other junk .
Many gonna find out on HIS day , THEIR HEARTS never matched their lips when the professed to love him .
THEY loved satans interfaith false love big ol fat inclusive road .
I just had to remind us all about that . Remember , INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST
and we have no business sitting at the table of anti christ . just do keep that in mind
the next time some judge not hugger comes up and tries to point us to their fake version of love . anyway , BE BLESSED
i am off for now .

 

[CMNYC]

Excellent points of emphasis!!!

I will review the words of Elihu.

It could be that satan was speaking thru Elihu as the 'prosecutor' ???

Give me a few days as i am busy and then will get back to you on this.

Thank You

Who has a vested interest in Job caving and cursing God? And we already see satan speaking through Job's wife in chapter 2 when she urges Job to curse God. Job's friends were unable to convict Job (because he was innocent), and God is about to reveal Himself to Job. After everything that has been thrown at Job, would satan just give up? Wouldn't it make sense for satan to employ one last effort to break Job?

Here is another example of Elihu's words. In Job 36:4 Elihu says, "For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee." Elihu is referring to himself here. He is claiming that he is "perfect in knowledge".

Then look at Job 37:16 where Elihu says, "Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of Him which is perfect in knowledge?" He is referring to God here. He is ascribing (correctly) that God is "perfect in knowledge".

So Elihu is making himself equal with God, but not even Jesus, who is God, had this kind of attitude when He walked the earth. Refer to Philippians 2:5,6 where it says, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped". Elihu is operating in the opposite spirit of Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

Who has a vested interest in Job caving and cursing God? And we already see satan speaking through Job's wife in chapter 2 when she urges Job to curse God. Job's friends were unable to convict Job (because he was innocent), and God is about to reveal Himself to Job. After everything that has been thrown at Job, would satan just give up? Wouldn't it make sense for satan to employ one last effort to break Job?

Here is another example of Elihu's words. In Job 36:4 Elihu says, "For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee." Elihu is referring to himself here. He is claiming that he is "perfect in knowledge".

Then look at Job 37:16 where Elihu says, "Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of Him which is perfect in knowledge?" He is referring to God here. He is ascribing (correctly) that God is "perfect in knowledge".

So Elihu is making himself equal with God, but not even Jesus, who is God, had this kind of attitude when He walked the earth. Refer to Philippians 2:5,6 where it says, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped". Elihu is operating in the opposite spirit of Jesus.

And we already see satan speaking through Job's wife in chapter 2 when she urges Job to curse God.

YEP, and most people miss this.

 

[Behold]

• My answer is God's name and God's leadership or God's kingdom!

The core of the Bible's intent is to show you God's Righteousness and how to get it.

In the OT, we see that Jews were always in trouble, and always needing to be forgiven, and so, they sacrificed animals, but this never solved the issue that was the LAW that kept condemning them.

So, "Grace and Truth" came by Jesus and we find in the NT......a "better covenant" a NEW Testament of this Covenant, that is written in the Blood and Death, of Jesus.
So, its by His shed blood and Death, that we find that we can have an eternal convenant with God, that Jesus has completed for us on The Cross, and God gives this "Gift of Salvation", that is based on CHRIST's "Blood Atonement' to "all who will believe.

And once we do, God forgives us, and brings us into Himself.....as "ONE with God" born again.... and we remain there forever. "in Christ".