THE CONFIRMING OF THE COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27

[Spiritual Israelite]

Everyone...

Luk 22:19-20
(19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
(20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

At the last supper, Christ made a new covenant (testament) with us, the church. The testament means covenant, so the Lord was talking about a new covenant here.

Heb 9:14-17
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Although his disciples ate the bread and drank from the cup of the new covenant at the Last Supper, the covenant was not officially in effect at that time. Christ first had to go to the cross and shed His blood to confirm it.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Of course I agree with this.

After 62 weeks, Messiah the Prince went to the Cross to be cut off, so His blood could be shed to confirm a new covenant. Therefore, the 62 weeks ended, and the 70th week began on the same day.

I disagree because the old covenant sacrifices and offerings didn't become obsolete until the midst or middle of the 70th week, not at the beginning. So, you can't have His death at the beginning of the 70th week.

But, at least you actually have Him being cut off after the 69th week ended instead of being cut off at the end of the 69th week (which would make His death part of the 69th week instead of in the 70th week).

 

[TribulationSigns]

I disagree, but at least you actually have Him being cut off after the 69th week ended instead of being cut off at the end of the 69th week (which would make His death part of the 69th week instead of in the 70th week).

Of course, you disagree.

The 62 weeks ended when Messiah the Prince was cut off. And at the same moment, He confirmed the final week when he shed his blood, just as Scripture I quoted said.

It is finished, Christ said.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Of course, you disagree.

The 62 weeks ended when Messiah the Prince was cut off. And at the same moment, He confirmed the final week when he shed his blood, just as Scripture I quoted said.

It is finished, Christ said.

Look at the post again. I added something to it after you quoted what I said before editing the post.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you not understand this to be talking about when Jesus made the old covenant animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete by way of establishing the new covenant with His shed blood? If you do, then when does this say that would happen? At the beginning or "in the midst" of the 70th week?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Of course I agree with this.


I disagree because the old covenant sacrifices and offerings didn't become obsolete until the midst or middle of the 70th week, not at the beginning. So, you can't have His death at the beginning of the 70th week.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

You misunderstood.

The Lord was not talking about the old covenant sacrifices and offerings here that existed before the New Covenant. The ceasing of sacrifice and oblation comes after Christ confirmed the covenant at the Cross. Nothing to do with Old Testament sacrifice system here.

Heb 7:27-28
(27) Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
(28) For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Once all Christians have been secured after the testimony of the Two Witnesses ends (Revelation 7:1-4; Revelation 11:7), Christ will cause the sacrifice and the oblation for salvation to cease. He will then allow Satan to emerge from the bottomless pit to silence (kill) the Two Witnesses, which will bring apostasy and desolation to His unfaithful New Testament congregation. As a result, they will no longer be covered by sacrifice and oblation at that time as they seek salvation, Revelation 9. Daniel 9:27 has nothing to do with your interpretation of the first-century sacrifice system.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

You misunderstood.

The Lord was not talking about the old covenant sacrifices and offerings here that existed before the New Covenant.

Yes, He was. You misunderstand. The text from Daniel 9:27 fits perfectly with this....

Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The ceasing of sacrifice and oblation comes after Christ confirmed the covenant at the Cross. Nothing to do with Old Testament sacrifice system here.

Wrong. Why do you make no connection between Jesus confirming the new covenant and making an end of the old covenant? Both happened at the same time, as scripture clearly teaches. The veil of the temple being torn in two when Christ died signified the fact that the old covenant and its animal sacrifices that were performed at the temple were made obsolete.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Look at the post again. I added something to it after you quoted what I said before editing the post.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you not understand this to be talking about when Jesus made the old covenant animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete by way of establishing the new covenant with His shed blood? If you do, then when does this say that would happen? At the beginning or "in the midst" of the 70th week?

You do not make any sense here.

1.) First, Christ confirmed a new covenant for one week. That covers the WHOLE NEW TESTAMENT PERIOD, apart from Old Testament sacrifice system prior to the Cross.

2.) After this, in the Midst (middle) of the said week, the sacrifice and the oblation ceased!

The Lord did not talk about the Old Testament sacrifice system with animal need to end sometimes after the Cross, or even in 70AD. No, it is the New Testament sacrifice. In Matthew 24, if these days of tribulation and trouble weren't shortened, there would be no flesh on earth left to be saved (as sacrifice and offering has ceased!). That is in the future from the Cross.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Yes, He was. You misunderstand. The text from Daniel 9:27 fits perfectly with this....

Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Again, you don't get it. It is the SECOND sacrifice that will be ceased for the New Testament congregation after all Elects are secured! Speaking of His unfaithful congregation:

Heb 10:26-27
(26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
(27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

The sacrifice will cease as a judgment for the New Testament congregation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again, you don't get it.

Oh, I get it, alright. I get that you are not even willing to use scripture to interpret scripture by seeing that Daniel 9:27 refers to the same thing that Hebrews 10 is talking about.

It is the SECOND sacrifice that will be ceased for the New Testament congregation after all Elects are secured! Speaking of His unfaithful congregation:

Heb 10:26-27
(26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
(27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Nonsense. Why would you not think that a scripture referring to the confirming of the new covenant would not make any reference to the end of the old covenant? You know, like it does multiple times in Hebrews 8 to 10?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Oh, I get it, alright. I get that you are not even willing to use scripture to interpret scripture by seeing that Daniel 9:27 refers to the same thing that Hebrews 10 is talking about.


Nonsense. Why would you not think that a scripture referring to the confirming of the new covenant would not make any reference to the end of the old covenant? You know, like it does multiple times in Hebrews 8 to 10?

Could you show me where in Daniel 9:27 it discusses the old covenant after the week was confirmed? What does the "midst of the week" refer to after the confirmation of the New Covenant, during which the sacrifice was supposed to cease? Show me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You do not make any sense here.

I honestly couldn't care less if I'm making sense to you or not. You're not making sense to me.

1.) First, Christ confirmed a new covenant for one week. That covers the WHOLE NEW TESTAMENT PERIOD, apart from Old Testament sacrifice system prior to the Cross.

LOL. So, somehow the first 69 weeks are all 7 years in duration, but then the 70th week refers to the whole New Testament time period? Ridiculous.

2.) After this, in the Midst (middle) of the said week, the sacrifice and the oblation ceased!

When He confirmed the new covenant He made the old covenant sacrifices and offerings obsolete at the same time. You agree with that, don't you? So, what is it that you don't understand about that, regardless of whether you agree that it relates to what Daniel 9:27 is saying or not. You're saying you don't even understand what I'm saying, regardless of whether you agree or not. Why not? I'm speaking plainly.

The Lord did not talk about the Old Testament sacrifice system with animal need to end sometimes after the Cross, or even in 70AD.

LOL! Where did I say this? Nowhere. You are like Premills in some ways, including having poor reading comprehension skills. I have specifically said that the old covenant sacrifices ended AT THE SAME TIME as the new covenant was confirmed and put into effect by the blood of Christ. Is there anything confusing about what I'm saying here? I'm speaking plainly. I couldn't care less if you agree with me, but how in the world are you not even understanding what I'm saying, when I'm simply saying what scripture says regarding when the new covenant went into effect and when the old covenant was made obsolete?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Could you show me where in Daniel 9:27 it discusses the old covenant after the week was confirmed?

LOL. What is wrong with your reading comprehension skills? Are you even trying here? Nowhere did I say that "it discusses the old covenant after the week was confirmed". Hello?

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This says He would confirm the new covenant during the 70th week. When was it confirmed? On the first day? No. It was in the midst of the 70th week that it was confirmed. It was at that point that Jesus was cut off at which point the new covenant was confirmed and established and the old covenant with its animal sacrifices and offerings was made obsolete.

What does "midst of the week" refer to after the confirmation of the New Covenant, during which the sacrifice was supposed to cease? Show me.

You are the one saying the new covenant is confirmed at the beginning of the 70th week, not me. The confirming of the new covenant includes the time of Christ's ministry.

Look at this text...

Daniel 9:25 now therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This is saying that "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" there would be 69 weeks and that would lead to the appearing of Messiah the Prince. You are thinking that it's saying it would be 69 weeks until He is cut off, but it's not saying that.

It's talking about how long it would be before the Messiah would be revealed and He was revealed by John the Baptist when he declared "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). So, THAT is when the 70th week began and then at the end of Christ's ministry He was cut off and that confirmed the new covenant and made the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I honestly couldn't care less if I'm making sense to you or not. You're not making sense to me.

Only the Lord helps you see the Truth. :-)

LOL. So, somehow the first 69 weeks are all 7 years in duration

Where did I say that? I never taught that 69 weeks are 7 years in duration in any of my posts.

, but then the 70th week refers to the whole New Testament time period? Ridiculous.

Indeed, the final week is a New Testament Covenant week with the Church, from the Cross to the Second Coming. Yep, its ridiculous to those who do not see the truth.

When He confirmed the new covenant He made the old covenant sacrifices and offerings obsolete at the same time.
Show me the Scirpture that confirms that exactly? And you already forgot that the sacrifice and the obligation took place AFTER the new convenant was confirmed... and in the midst of the week. When was that if you still insist it has to do with the Old Testament Sacrifice System. Come on.

LOL! Where did I say this? Nowhere. You are like Premills in some ways, including having poor reading comprehension skills. I have specifically said that the old covenant sacrifices ended AT THE SAME TIME as the new covenant was confirmed and put into affect by the blood of Christ. Is there anything confusing about what I'm saying here?

No, you got the timing wrong, bro!

The sacrifice ended in the midst of the week AFTER the confirmation of a covenant. Let me ask you this... Did the "midst of the week" that the sacrifice ceased, took place at the Cross, too? If not, then it can't be the Old Testament sacrifice the Lord talked about here, then!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Only the Lord helps you see the Truth. :-)

That's right. So, ask Him for wisdom about this (James 1:5-7).

Where did I say that? I never taught that 69 weeks are 7 years in duration in any of my posts.

LOL! Excuse me for not knowing that you are one of the rare ones who doesn't believe that. What is your understanding of their duration then?

Indeed, the final week is a New Testament Covenant week with the Church, from the Cross to the Second Coming. Yep, its ridiculous to those who do not see the truth.

Why isn't it ridiculous to you then?

No, you got the timing wrong, bro!

No, you do!

Should we just do this over and over again? Is this productive? I said what I said and have nothing to add. Agree to disagree.

The sacrifice ended in the midst of the week AFTER the confirmation of a covenant. Let me ask you this... Did the "midst of the week" that the sacrifice ceased, took place at the Cross, too?

HELLO? Are you actually reading what I'm saying or not? I said multiple times that I believe Jesus was cut off in the midst of the week and that confirmed the new covenant while AT THE SAME TIME making the old covenant and its sacrifices obsolete. What don't you understand about what I'm saying here?

If not, then it can't be the Old Testament sacrifice the Lord talked about here, then!

Congratulations on winning the argument with your strawman!

 

[TribulationSigns]

You are the one saying the new covenant is confirmed at the beginning of the 70th week, not me.

God did. Seems you have problem with His Word:

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The one week took place after 62 weeks of verse 26 when Christ confirmed a covenant, yes?

The confirming of the new covenant includes the time of Christ's ministry.

Look at this text...

Daniel 9:25 now therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This is speaking of the apperance of the Messiah the Prince. The verse 25 spoke nothing about the end of Old Testament sacrifice system here. The prince's earthly ministry was only part of 69th week until He was cut off.

This is saying that "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" there would be 69 weeks and that would lead to the appearing of Messiah the Prince.

Agreed. God divided the 70 weeks into three periods. 7 weeks, 62 weeks, and one week.

You are thinking that it's saying it would be 69 weeks until He is cut off, but it's not saying that.

No, it said after 62 weeks, which was when Christ appeared and his ministry was part of 62 weeks, right to the closing days of 62 weeks. The final week started wth Christ's confirmation of the blood....at his death.

It's talking about how long it would be before the Messiah would be revealed and He was revealed by John the Baptist when he declared "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).

That was when the anointing of the most holy took place, Daniel 9:24, at the CROSS! Remember, Christ is the Sanctuary, He is the Holy of HOLIEST, the Holy Temple, and the veil separating the Holiest of Holy is His flesh, according to scripture. Unfortunately, many theologians do not understand that the prophecy was of the Messiah, not a physical Holy room of a literal Temple building in the Middle East. God used the buildings as a skia or shadow that prefigured the true. And with Christ's anointing, Israel can enter through His flesh into the Holy of HOLIEST.

Again, the Old Testament physical Temple buildings were types, looking forward to the real Holy Place, which was Christ. In the old testament Temple, there was a veil that separated the room which was the Holy of HOLIEST. And it is no coincidence that that veil was rent (torn) from top to bottom the exact instant Christ died on the cross.

Matthew 27:50

• "Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And behold, the Veil of the Temple was rent in two from top to bottom.."

This is signifying that this temple in Jerusalem was no longer the "representation" of the Holy Place, and thus no longer significant in future prophecy. Because it was merely a [skia], a shadow picturing the better Temple. And with the coming of that Temple (Christ) that cast this shadow, this shadow passed away. And the veil that separates the Holy of HOLIEST (access to God) is now in Christ. It is no longer in a literal Temple in the middle east, nor can be. Israel now can come directly to God through, the veil which is in the body of Christ, through that Holy Temple, where Christ served as our high priest to make sarifiice on our behalf before Father. But don't take my word for it..
Hebrews 10:19

• "having therefore, brethren boldness to enter into the Holiest by the blood of Jesus. By a new and Living way, which He hath consecrated for us through The Veil, that is to say, His flesh."

When the Messiah was anointed, this was the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST. When Jesus Christ was anointed, this prophecy of Daniel chapter 9 was fulfilled.

So, THAT is when the 70th week began and then at the end of Christ's ministry He was cut off and that confirmed the new covenant and made the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete.

No, the 70th week did not start with Christ's ministry or even his baptism. You fail to understand that the final week cannot start until the covenant has been confirmed FIRST with HIS DEATH and with HIS BLOOD, Hebrew 9. Christ's earthly ministry did NOT confirm the covenant "while he liveth". Read it up in Hebrew 9 again to refresh your memory.

Heb 9:16-17
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The final week starts after the death of a testator. Not while he liveth when he was baptized with the Holy Spirit, throw the tables down, or heal people. You got timing all wrong.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God did. Seems you have problem with His Word:

I have no problem with His Word whatsoever. I have a problem with how you interpret some of it.

This is speaking of the apperance of the Messiah the Prince. The verse 25 spoke nothing about the end of Old Testament sacrifice system here. The prince's earthly ministry was only part of 69th week until He was cut off.

You are not thinking here. It says there would be 69 weeks up to the appearance of Messiah the Prince, so how do you have His ministry within the 69th week when it says He would appear after the first 69 weeks went by first? It has Him appearing after the first 69 weeks go by, so that puts His appearance at the beginning of the 70th week. He was first revealed as the Messiah by John the baptist at the beginning of His ministry.

No, the 70th week did not start with Christ's ministry or even his baptism.

Yes, it did. Read this again, but carefully this time...

Daniel 9:25 now therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This is saying that "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" there would be 69 weeks and that would lead to the appearing of Messiah the Prince. How do you have Him appearing within the 69 weeks when it says that 69 weeks would go by and then He would appear?

It's talking about how long it would be before the Messiah would be revealed, which was 69 weeks, and He was revealed by John the Baptist when he declared "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). So, THAT is when the 70th week began and then at the end of Christ's ministry He was cut off and that confirmed the new covenant and made the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete.

 

[TribulationSigns]

It's talking about how long it would be before the Messiah would be revealed, which was 69 weeks, and He was revealed by John the Baptist when he declared "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). So, THAT is when the 70th week began and then at the end of Christ's ministry He was cut off and that confirmed the new covenant and made the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete.

No, no, no.

You were saying that the 70th week began with the appearance of Christ at the River Jordan? Really?? LOL.

Seriously, show me the Scripture that indicates the 70th week began with the baptism of Christ, considering that verse 27 itself clearly states that the week started when the covenant was confirmed. The baptism of Christ was NOT a confirmation of a covenant...especially while Christ still liveth?! Hello? Just as Hebrews 9 said. So, tell us, how was the New Covenant, in your belief, confirmed exactly? Was it through the water baptism or the blood of the cross, humm. Support your answer with Scripture, please!

Think carefully.

 

[Davy]

After 62 weeks, Messiah the Prince went to the Cross to be cut off, so His blood could be shed to confirm a new covenant. Therefore, the 62 weeks ended, and the 70th week began on the same day.

Nope.
You are still reading a 'doctrine of men' into... that Daniel 9:27 verse that does not exist.

Can't just use the 26th verse about Jesus being cut off "after" the 69th week as being part of the 70th week. This because of the CONTEXT of the acts stated in Daniel 9:27...


The Living Translation is simple, and correctly brings forth the idea that the one who causes the "abomination of desolation" is about the placing of an idol abomination at the Jerusalem temple, and not about the destruction of Jerusalem. Lord Jesus NEVER... did any such act, and He even warned about that future event showing it is for the very end of this world per His Olivet discourse SIGNS...

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

Those events of Daniel 9:27 have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Romans destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd temple in 70 A.D. That is also often used as a deception by those who try to claim Jesus' Ministry extended into the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

According to the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), the Romans never placed an "abomination of desolation" at the 2nd temple in 70 A.D., simply because a fire started within that temple while the Roman army was trying to capture it. The Romans failed to capture it, that 2nd temple burned down. Most likely the Jews inside that temple set fire to it inside, as they probably recalled what Antiochus Epiphanes did in 165 B.C. with desolating inside that temple with swine sacrifice and setting up an abomination idol to Zeus, and demanding that all bow to it. So the Jews did not want the Romans to capture the temple in 70 A.D., probably afraid that kind of desolation inside the temple would happen again.

 

[Davy]

Here is yet another solid proof in the Book of Daniel that the Daniel 9:27 verse is about the end of this world when the Antichrist shows up at Jerusalem, and the unbelieving Jews build their new temple and start sacrifices again, and then the Antichrist will end those sacrifices after a period of 1260 days (half of the "one week"), and then place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at that new temple in Jerusalem.

Those events are not only given in that single Daniel 9:27 verse, but also in three other Daniel Scriptures, Daniel 8:11, Daniel 11:31, and Daniel 12:11.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

Dan 8:9-12
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
KJV

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
KJV

Dan 12:11-12
11 "From the time the daily sacrifice is stopped and the sacrilegious object that causes desecration is set up to be worshiped, there will be 1,290 days.
12 And blessed are those who wait and remain until the end of the 1,335 days!
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, no, no.

You were saying that the 70th week began with the appearance of Christ at the River Jordan? Really?? LOL.

Did I seem like I wasn't sure of what I was saying? LOL at you. It says there would be 69 weeks unto Messiah the Prince. I believe that refers to there being 69 weeks passing until Messiah the Prince is revealed as the Messiah. It does not say it would be 69 weeks unto the Messiah being cut off. It says He would be cut off some time after the 69 weeks ended, but that does not mean He had to be cut off immediately after the 69th week ended.

Seriously, show me the Scripture that indicates the 70th week began with the baptism of Christ, considering that verse 27 itself clearly states that the week started when the covenant was confirmed.

It does not state that at all! Only in your mind. It states that the covenant, which we both understand to be the new covenant, would be confirmed during the 70th week. And it was confirmed and established in the midst of the 70th week when the Messiah was cut off and shed His blood of the new covenant.

The baptism of Christ was NOT a confirmation of a covenant...especially while Christ still liveth?! Hello?

Hello? Wake up. I'm not saying the covenant was confirmed yet at that time, but that was the beginning of the week during which it would be confirmed. It was confirmed in the midst of the 70th week when He was cut off which made the old covenant sacrifices obsolete and put the new covenant into effect. Hello? Reading comprehension is not a strength of yours, I see.

Just as Hebrews 9 said. So, tell us, how was the New Covenant, in your belief, confirmed exactly?

LOL. Are you not reading anything I'm saying? I've already said that multiple times now. Wake up.

I said multiple times that I believe Jesus was cut off in the midst of the week and that confirmed the new covenant while AT THE SAME TIME making the old covenant and its sacrifices obsolete. So, I'm saying the new covenant was confirmed by the blood of Christ. Hello? Is anyone awake in there? Hello, McFly!

Was it through the water baptism or the blood of the cross, humm. Support your answer with Scripture, please!

The blood of the cross, of course.

Think carefully.

No, YOU think carefully.

You never answered my question about the duration of the first 69 weeks. You said the weeks do not represent 7 years. So, how long do you think each of the first 69 weeks lasted?

 

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Yeah, I know that, since Daniel 11:22 says the prince of the covenant shall be 'broken' by the "vile person".



I agree with that also. The "little horn" in the Book of Daniel also represents the "beast" king of Revelation 17, to which the "ten horns" as "ten kings" will give their power to, and will rule "one hour" with that beast king, at the end of this world.



NOPE! With that I definitely DO NOT agree.

The one mentioned in Daniel 9:26 that is cut off is MESSIAH, Jesus Christ. And it is giving us the time period when, "after threescore and two weeks" (62 weeks). Then we are to go back to verse 25 and note the FULL time with that, with the "seven weeks" that were before added to that 62 weeks, and we come to 69 weeks completed when MESSIAH would be 'cut off'.

That leaves the final 70th week unfulfilled. And that is what the Daniel 9:27 verse is about, and hast NOTHING to do with Lord Jesus Christ's 1st coming.

So I am not going to go down the sewer road of SDA's false theory that Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the 70th week, obviously an idea created by false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that have crept in.

I am not SDA and don't know what you are talking about.

Dan 9:26 is future, as is 9:27.

The Dan 12:7 'man in linen' is not Jesus, it is the Daniel 7 Little Horn, the 'Lucifer / Morningstar' of Isaiah 14. This 'man in linen' is the Revelation 10 Mighty Angel, the 'dragon' that deceives the world (Rev 12:9).

The Daniel 8 Little Horn is attacking the Dan 9:26 'city & sanctuary'. His 'forces that rise up' (Dan 11:31) are the 'locusts' (Joel 1:4-9) of the 5th Trumpet that place the abomination of desolation at the 6th Trumpet.

At the end of the wars (Dan 11:40), it is the 'man in linen' (the Dan 7 Little Horn) who confirms the Dan 9:27 covenant which ends the great tribulation at this particular time.

At the 7th Trumpet, this covenant is broken, the Dan 7 4th Beast is killed, and the 'lion, bear, leopard' are given an extension (Dan 7:11-12) (which is the Beast from the sea's Leopard, Bear, and Lion.)