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I have posted scripture ..show me where it says that “ God gives us the Spirit?...show us where our mind isn’t Born again?...once our spirit is Born Again?..what an utter mess...
I know exactly how I was Born Of The Spirit...by Gods Living testimony ..
I have answered your question and no I am not lying....those are your unproven accusations once again..nothing to back it up with?
The "lie" was that you stated you answered me with "scripture."
I posted scripture ....now you answer my questions?
Wow! OK, that says a lot. I can now understand why you do not understand scripture regarding who Christ is.
I accept that. In your case the Bible teaches what you want to Bible to teach. I accept ONLY what the Holy Spirit gave, guarded and preserved for 2000 years to this date.
Paul is not a Pelagian. I asked the question in my previous post If what you say is true, where are all the people that lived perfect lives and never sinned. Under your view that capability exist, as it was for Adam.
That is the same thing you said above. You need to sin first before you have a fallen nature. Which also means that there could be many who do not sin.
OK, another eye opener. So you actually believe God created man mortal. Can you explain the condemnation on Adam in Gen 3:19 where God condemns man to return to dust, that's becoming mortal. So Adam became mortal twice?
Man was specifically not created perfect. That was the work that God would share with Adam, the same work we do being In Christ. We are striving to attain perfection, The problem is that we have a fallen, mortal nature that keeps us sinning easily and constantly.
death is NOT a thing. It is more like a disease called corruption.
Now you switch to Satan having power over death. Which is it. your theology is very inconsistent.
Amazing, just amazing. So, God said His creation was good,. yet He provided it to be destroyed, how is that Good?
That is Ok also. After all Christ is the Second Adam.
So the Holy Spirit gives error? So in Acts 15:6-29, we have the first "Church Council" where the assembled Apostles and the Church at Jerusalem made decisions for the Church, and James in verse 28 says it was good to the Holy Spirit and to us,. So, I take it you disagree with them. The Church has followed that pattern ever since. It is the Body, The Church of which Christ is the Head that decides. I Tim 3:5, the Church is the pillar of Truth.
Have you read Rev 20: 4, Also, hell or Hades, Christ descended into Hades between His death and resurrection. We will reign with Him.
Your god is impotent to show mercy or do anything in regards to salvation. Nothing happens. The world of Christendom shall rise against you.
I am sure that briughtframe52's God is the same God I believe in, described in the bible as almighty. Far from being impotent, He is omnipotent:
Yes, of course the incarnation is significant. But it is not relevant to the atonement.
I do not align myself with Pelagianism; I have never contended that human beings are inherently good by nature. However, I firmly advocate for the concept of free will, a position that is also echoed by Paul. His writings do not suggest that our will is ensnared or that our nature dictates our decisions. Instead, he portrays a vivid picture of an internal conflict within us—a struggle between our members, suggesting that we possess the liberty to choose. We find ourselves at a crossroads, facing the decision to either embrace righteousness or succumb to sin. This journey is fraught with challenges; it is a genuine battle within our souls. At times, we emerge victorious in our choices, while at other moments, we may falter and lose our way.
That passage is often misunderstood. Reading it in Hebrew is helpful. Many translations render the Hebrew this way: "In the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die." The passage is better understood this way: "In the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die." God made Adam of flesh, which eventually broke down, causing his death. But it does not follow that Adam's physical death would necessarily disqualify him from eternal life. Just as our physical death does not necessarily disqualify us from eternal life. But Adam died in his sins, which meant that he was disqualified from receiving eternal life.
In its essence, death represents a profound absence—not just of life, but also of vitality and energy. Consider a car with a lifeless engine; it stands still, inert, devoid of any ability to propel itself forward. Similarly, a flashlight with a drained battery lies in darkness, unable to illuminate even the smallest corner of a room. Thus, when Paul articulates that death embodies the power of Satan, he implies that Satan exploits our deep-seated fears surrounding mortality. This manipulation of our apprehension towards death underscores the significant hold it has over human emotions and thoughts.
In this framework, the word "good" takes on a deeper significance, closely linked to the idea of what is "fitting" or appropriate. It’s important to note how the Genesis narrative unfolds, characterized by the frequent declaration, "And God said." This phrase serves as a powerful refrain, emphasizing that each element of creation emerged from divine intention. When God spoke, it was fitting for Him to bring forth light, land, and all other creations, each contributing to a larger, harmonious design. The entirety of creation was crafted with purpose, leading toward a resolution that is both satisfying and meaningful, where everything ultimately finds its rightful place in the grand tapestry of existence.
I see no evidence that the Holy Spirit was involved or superintended the writings of the ECF's or the church councils.
That occasion was the only Church Council attended by the twelve Apostles.
So, how is it significant in your view?
You don't need to align with Pelagianism, your theology is the same as his. Only Adam was good before he sinned.
It has never been misunderstood. There has never been a false teaching arising within the Church over Gen 3:19.
Of course you would not. It denies that individual man doesn't have any authority to interpret scripture. That is the Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura. See how that has turned out. For every new theory a new denomination springs up.
Adam wasn't good before he sinned. He sinned because he was evil.
Any Translation that says, "In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die" has misunderstood the passage.
That is not true. Paul tells you that God holds us responsible for our own sin.
That is not true. Paul argued that Christ came as a man so that he might sympathize with our struggles.
My theology doesn't align with your interpretation of scripture.
That is not true. He hasn't given anyone life yet. That is the hope for the future for those who believe and trust him.
No, you assume that other men were inspired by the Holy Spirit, which isn't true.
If it was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me.
One knock out blow after another. Who believes this stuff besides you?
As I stated, it has never been understood by the Church from the beginning.
He sure does.
That applies to the sacrifice for sin, but that was a secondary. Defeating death was primary. Without defeating death, the sacrifice is moot.
That is for sure. I don't hold to the interpretations of man. Individual man has been wrong every time.
As I stated before, it happens are in the eschaton, at the resurrection. If Christ had not defeated death with His resurrection, there would be no resurrection. We would all still be condemned to death.
I don't assume any man was given inspiration to write and teach the Gospel except the "Apostles
Jesus didn't need sola scriptura. This is a modern Protestant phenomenon.
At this point I know you don't have the same God as I do. So I have no fear whatever you say.
The limited atonement doctrine was never found in the mouth of the Father, His son, the prophets, the apostles, or anyone else in the Bible. So it doesn't come from God. Stating limited atonement is what the gospel is, attaching Bible verses to it, calling someone "God" and "Jesus" like I do does not mean we are talking about the same God.
Hey there. You are confusing Universalists with those HERE who disagree with Calvinism. Universalists are very liberal and believe that all will be saved. That is NOT what the posters here are saying at all.
I think I am beginning to see what your issue is. It's just that you are using a non sequitur or begging the question by making an assumption that is not stated in scripture to bridge the gap between your philosophy on salvation and what Scripture explicitly states.
